QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39300943/brock-purdy-49ers-internal-motivation-prove-nonbelievers-wrong

Front page article on ESPN:

Long before Brock Purdy, San Francisco 49ers starting quarterback, Pro Bowler and MVP candidate was a thing, Purdy was a Thing.

Specifically, Purdy was Thing 1, his costume of choice along with offensive linemen Nick Zakelj and Alfredo Gutierrez, his teammates, then-roommates and fellow characters from Dr. Seuss' "The Cat in the Hat," at the Niners' 2022 Halloween party.

The 49ers had lost to the Kansas City Chiefs eight days earlier but were optimistic because of the recent trade for running back Christian McCaffrey.

That Halloween night offered a brief football getaway at Khartoum Lounge in nearby Campbell, California. Purdy was the backup to starter Jimmy Garoppolo but flashed potential during practice. He was finally feeling comfortable cutting loose with his teammates.

At one point in the evening, Purdy was chatting with McCaffrey, tight end George Kittle and fullback Kyle Juszczyk when he went full Oprah Winfrey handing out cars to her audience.

"He said, 'Hey, just give me a chance, I can make a lot of plays,'" Kittle said, laughing. "'I'm going to feed you the ball, I'm going to feed you the ball, I'm going to feed you the ball.' ... It was pretty phenomenal."

While Kittle & Co. loved Purdy's bravado, they also found it amusing in a "whatever you say, rookie" kind of way. Thirty-four days later, Purdy stepped in for an injured Garoppolo against the Miami Dolphins and quickly proved that his Halloween night proclamations were no laughing matter.

After Purdy threw a pair of first-half touchdowns in what would become a 33-17 Niners win, Kittle walked into the locker room, kicked Purdy's chair and told him he was crazy. When Purdy asked Kittle what he meant, the tight end reminded the quarterback he'd spoken it into existence.

"I'm going to tell my kids that story," Juszczyk said. "Especially if we go win a Super Bowl with him, I'm telling that story forever.".

Awesome read. too much to post on here but great article.

It is a cool story. Nice insight into Purdy and team chemistry.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It's now time for Brock to continue his good play and led this team to the SB. If they make it and the Niners win, I wonder what the Purdy doubters will say.

System Lombardi winner?

In the average fans mind, Purdy has now been passed by Stroud and Love.

They are wrong, however, I can understand their thinking in that both Stroud and Love have fewer weapons than Purdy and yet enjoy success.

Quote from the ESPN article linked above:|

"I know who I am," Purdy said. "I know my purpose in life is to love those in my life, the people in my community, and serve people in my life and that overrides any other kind of opinion or anything that someone has online or on TV. I don't live for that and I never have. And so even though I'm a starting quarterback now, why would I change?"

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
First round pick is not in dispute. Not all firsts are equal value. One would need many pick 32s to get a single pick 1. So Love and Lamar, were wayyyy cheaper and more available than say Stroud, Baker and Goff, at least, in draft investment terms. It's a special window with Brock. I would view less as your comment of creating ability, I would view more as we gave a wonderful squad/coach for Brock to thrive. It's almost a prerequisite to have some talent / coaching in place. Few if any QBs can overcome a bad situation.

No doubt, but the dropoff in terms of success rate from the top pick to those late first rounders is very high (late first round is still better than later rounds). And the better your overall team the more likely you are further away from the QB drafting 'sweetspot' (the top of round 1). You should check out those links I posted in the other thread.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Steve Young: "Right now, it's our time."

Get hyped, Faithful.#49ers #FTTB

pic.twitter.com/aeAssbQ4Vf

— 49ers Webzone (@49erswebzone) January 16, 2024

damn this got me hyped

Thought I saw Kap for a sec there...lol.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It's now time for Brock to continue his good play and led this team to the SB. If they make it and the Niners win, I wonder what the Purdy doubters will say.

System Lombardi winner?

In the average fans mind, Purdy has now been passed by Stroud and Love.

They are wrong, however, I can understand their thinking in that both Stroud and Love have fewer weapons than Purdy and yet enjoy success.

Quote from the ESPN article linked above:|

"I know who I am," Purdy said. "I know my purpose in life is to love those in my life, the people in my community, and serve people in my life and that overrides any other kind of opinion or anything that someone has online or on TV. I don't live for that and I never have. And so even though I'm a starting quarterback now, why would I change?"

Brock can be great, but we also need Shany to insulate him at times and not let a mistake like a pick snowball. When he threw picks against the Ravens, even though half were fluky, Shanny could have run the ball. We had success and if the other team knows you're pressing and throwing they double receivers up. Kyle has to be confident even when behind to run CMC and let Brock get his head straight.

weird that im not hearing jack s**t about love benefiting from lafleurs system, his wrs were open all day

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
weird that im not hearing jack s**t about love benefiting from lafleurs system, his wrs were open all day

Or how his defense stopped Dak from doing anything.

Originally posted by father49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
On team building, when we dive in

DET - didn't draft Goff
TB - didn't draft Baker
SF - round 7 Brock
GB - late round 1 if I recall on Love

then you have

BUF - top 10 pick
KC - top 10 pick
BAL - end of round 1
HOU - pick 2

Interesting coincidence that only remaining AFC playoff teams drafted their QBs in the first round. Let's see how this plays out.

To a certain extent I side with NY85 on first round picks. He points out that Draft position does lend the QB more *time and reps* to learn the NFL level Quarterbacking. The higher the pick - the more reps he'll be given before teams will give up on them. (example Josh Rosen) If Trey would have been given the reps and experience, and not been injured, given/assuming *the same level of processing between Trey and Purdy* it would be Trey heading the 49ers against Green Bay. Even Brock had to take some time to acclimate to the NFL, and the most recent interview with Matt Maiocco - to me - seemed to say that a week or two *before* the Dolphins game, Brock was still learning the offense. It was the week of the Dolphins game that he really felt confident in the offense.

I think Jordan Love is a great example of a QB that was allowed to get the reps and experience to develop. Guys like Purdy have to have the innate talent *before* even being given the reps to get the experience, because their draft position puts them at a disadvantage. I think Trey Lance will follow the Jordan Love development trajectory if Dallas gives him that opportunity.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It's now time for Brock to continue his good play and led this team to the SB. If they make it and the Niners win, I wonder what the Purdy doubters will say.

System Lombardi winner?

In the average fans mind, Purdy has now been passed by Stroud and Love.

That bothers me.

I hope we smoke Love terribly, and that Stroud plays so so and Demeco's defense is how the Texans win any games moving forward.

I hate this s**t.

Heh, I'd love for CJ Stroud to knock out Lamar Jackson's team this weekend!

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by father49er:
Interesting coincidence that only remaining AFC playoff teams drafted their QBs in the first round. Let's see how this plays out.

All of those QB's except for Brock are 1st rounders. 5 of them top 10 or higher. That's just generally where the good QBs come from.

Even Goff and Baker were solid ish with their original teams before they were jettisoned for upgrades (who were also 1st rounders).

On team building, 3/8 are those top of the draft QBs, that teams love to build around, and still on their club that took them.
The rest are more easily acquired. The draft cost for example between pick 2 and pick 32 is pretty extreme. We saw that on Trey, moving up 9 spots took multiple years of ones. Tampa seemingly did well for themselves, in adding a street FA. 1 overall player for next to no cost, and he produced a fine season.

I think Kyle's father's football camp organization maybe gives Kyle a leg up on QB scouting. https://qbcollective.com/who-we-are/
is a organization that helps high school kids become QB's. I think it's a great way to find QB talent - or to find the guys who can find the QB talent. I know for a fact sage Rosenfels worked with Brock and was also a coach on the Shanahan's QB Collective high school training organization.

I think that may be how Slowik, Greise, and Kubiak found Purdy, or at least got better scouting information about him than the rest of the NFL.

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
For me, if Brock learns to bring his team back from behind as regularly as needed that would help the eliteness argument, but it's not essential.

The more important factor, of course, is winning the SB. Steve Young was elite IMO, but he wasn't a come-from-behind QB. He made the point that he didn't have to because they were usually ahead.

I"d rather that Brock *stay ahead* than come from behind.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
On team building, 3/8 are those top of the draft QBs, that teams love to build around, and still on their club that took them.
The rest are more easily acquired. The draft cost for example between pick 2 and pick 32 is pretty extreme. We saw that on Trey, moving up 9 spots took multiple years of ones. Tampa seemingly did well for themselves, in adding a street FA. 1 overall player for next to no cost, and he produced a fine season.

Moving up for the 3rd overall pick was dumb. Compounded by the fact that they took what was probably the most inexperienced prospect in NFL history… as least as far back as I can remember.

Drafting one at the top of the draft or near it, without a trade, is the most effective way to find a franchise QB. Again, it's not often that a great QB is available via trade or free agency… and as we will see shortly, Goff and Baker don't really move the needle. Decent players, but not difference makers. The Bucs aren't even in the playoffs without help from their terrible division. And now Baker is up for a bargain starter extension and Tampa likely remains a non serious threat to win the SB for at least the length of that contract.

Goff and Baker don't really move the needle, true. They are also both 1 overall. That's the big question for anyone building a team, like Peters now in DC. He has to solve the problem of how to build a team and get a QB. Thankfully we don't have this problem anymore. I do think building out our team, and having a successful team, probably made Brock's ascent a lot more doable.

Finding that awesome talent like Purdy is *super duper hard.* Developing him is even probably harder. If anybody can do it, Peters can, but odds are stacked against him. Peters has to find not only the QB but the Coach that can develop said QB. It probably will have to be from the Shanahan offensive coaching tree for the coach. IF Peters can still do it, he should jump at trying to get Bobby Slowik as HC before he can get hired by whoever is interviewing him right now.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Goff and Baker don't really move the needle, true. They are also both 1 overall. That's the big question for anyone building a team, like Peters now in DC. He has to solve the problem of how to build a team and get a QB. Thankfully we don't have this problem anymore. I do think building out our team, and having a successful team, probably made Brock's ascent a lot more doable.

Right because even getting a decent starter in the NFL more often than not requires a first round pick investment.

Brock is a damn lottery ticket. We did not create his ability by having a good team. The good team inflates his production… which is true for every QB who ever player.

First round pick is not in dispute. Not all firsts are equal value. One would need many pick 32s to get a single pick 1. So Love and Lamar, were wayyyy cheaper and more available than say Stroud, Baker and Goff, at least, in draft investment terms. It's a special window with Brock. I would view less as your comment of creating ability, I would view more as we gave a wonderful squad/coach for Brock to thrive. It's almost a prerequisite to have some talent / coaching in place. Few if any QBs can overcome a bad situation.

The nice thing about Brock's situation is he doesn't have to do everything. He can lean on CMC. Elijah, and Mason. He's elevated the 49er offense even from the Jimmy G. Days. From Day one in the Miami game he had all pros to throw to and he just made them better as time went on.

Kyle has been great at developing QB's to their top potential. He did great with Jimmy - and you can see how his performance has fallen when he went to the Raiders and their horrible offensive system and lack of talent.

per that article, did we really try and get Tom Brady?

"That meant so much to me," Purdy said. "I remember him saying, if we can get Tom Brady, we're going to try to get him.

Every QB Brock will face in these playoffs was picked in the first round.