QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
The presumptive starting NFC Pro Bowl QB is Ruiz's #18. Not #8, #10, or even #16, but #18. Behind retire dude and college QBs. Troll on, Trollette.

Yeah it's been a morbid sort of fascination all year for me
Flacco nipping on his heels, then you have Geno who's been mostly trash this year, like #7, I think Fields is in front of Brock on his list

LMAO.

Any possibility this is purely a QB physical skill index?

I guess Flacco has the stronger arm, Geno arm and maybe mobility too.....of course Fields is AMAZINGGGGGGG.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
That's pretty much the case now. I know that many on this forum aren't old enough to remember how the game used to be played but it was a lot different. Players were allowed to hit harder. Defense was a bigger part of the game. The middle of the field wasn't reserved for WRs. The game actually had better pace without all the stoppages for replay review. Players weren't as concerned about their contracts as they are now.

I enjoy the offense of today but I miss the defense of the old days. I can't stand it when they penalize a defensive player for a hit on the QB. About 90% of those hits would have been legal in the 80s but QBs didn't seem to get hurt any more than they do now. Ronnie Lott would be thrown out of games on a regular basis for the hits he used to lay on receivers.

I know I sound like an old boomer and that's what I am. I know I used to enjoy watching games more back in the day than I do now. Even 7-3 defensive battles were fun to watch.

There was a more predictable element to the game back then. Rewatch the 1990 MNF 49ers/Giants game (the 7-3 I believe you are referring to), or the NFCC that year that ended 15-13, and you're highly unlikely to come up with so many turning points that were either bad (no) calls or players getting super lucky.

Two major slugfests, some crazy drama, but a game dictated by two defenses and the Giants were slightly more opportunistic that day (plus Craig being unable to be Craig that year hurt the Niners offense schematically).

How the 49ers lost the Super Bowl to the Chiefs IMO would never have happened back then. If the game was 20-10 with 6 minutes to go in the fourth and the losing team's offense couldn't get it in gear by then, it was going to be hard to make it happen. The Niners for whatever reason couldn't do it against the Giants in the '85 wildcard and just simply lost 17-3, with a scoreless 4th quarter for both teams.

Now we have games where we literally cannot celebrate the victory until mathematically it's impossible (or extremely unlikely). The Eagles game a month ago, I think I felt victory was in hand after we had scored our 6th TD!!! WTF?!

Comebacks here and there are cool.......I'm not anti-comeback by any means......but I hate how it's become too easy (at least for when it's your team holding out, LOL).

BTW, most fans did not enjoy the last Patriots SB victory over the Rams......I thought it was wonderful. That was a 1970s game played 5 years ago!!

This whole idea of "better QB" wins of the modern NFL is kinda annoying to me, and here's why:

When we had Montana and Young, how often did that truly help us? Yes, the 49ers are likely the team of the '80s because of Joe, and the '90s 49ers were great because of Young. However, how many good but not great QBs did the 49ers lose to? A TON!!!

In fact, back then the AFC had the QBs, and the NFC had Montana (from a HoF perspective)....you could add Young/Favre/Aikman in the '90s, and yet it was an old Elway finally winning one once he had a real team.

Meanwhile 49er fans would see losses to Phillip Simms (a good QB), Jeffery Hostetler (a backup), Joseph Thiesmann (a good QB), James McMahon (come on, haha), James Everett (good QB). The better QB argument meant a lot less back then......if the 49ers roster/game plan/luck wasn't good enough that day, it wouldn't matter if you had Montana, you lost.

The loss of that equalizer has now rewarded just a handful of teams to win championships. And of course, in the 25 years since Young (minus the last year), the Niners have often been on the losing end of the QB stick with no Lombardis to show despite having some rosters that would stack up real well to the dynasty era teams!!!

I remember Debartolo saying that the 2011 team right before the playoffs were better than the 1981 team, and I had to stop and think, he was right! But because Alexander Smith wasn't a game changing QB, it didn't feel right (and ultimately was why the team didn't win).

The NFL wanted PARITY and they got it YES and NO...........

YES - now every s**tty team can become something in 2-3 years. This is the first 11+ win season simultaneously for Cleveland and Detroit I heard.....the Bucs won 2 super bowls since Debartolo was owner (and the BUCS sucked back then in a way the young guys couldn't comprehend......they couldn't even pull a trap game win to save their lives.....truly garbage team, and I say that with empathy, LOL). The Patriots had a 1-15 season in 1990.....never would've imagined what was to come.

NO - Ok, so many teams can get to the playoffs, maybe even the big dance. But if you don't HAVE THE QB, you can't win it. This is basically how it's been since the Bucs (there we go again, lol) won their first SB in 2002.....the 2006 Bears went and lost to the Colts and that would be the last time a true game manager got his team to the bowl (that team had nothing on the 2011 49ers). Peyton somehow pulled off a miracle in 2015, but I can't imagine that EVER happening again....

If they showed 2019+ Garoppolo clips/games 25+ years ago, nobody would've called him anything but a good maybe very good QB. Wouldn't cross anyone's mind he wouldn't have been enough.

This the reality of the modern day guy.

Maybe just maybe we luck out with Purdy and can have an unfair advantage over the NFL and potentially win more easily than the old days.

Maybe.

I agree about all these late game comebacks. It' almost like it's scripted by a movie director. If you aren't leading by more than 2 scores with less than 4 or 5 minutes to play you aren't safe. Between the soft defenses that allow any decent team room in the middle of the field and those late game PI calls that were ignored during the game it's relatively easy to back and make the game close. Kickers all have a range of 55 or more. The constant ply reviews can also help the offense. It can give them etra time to decide on which play to call next.

I can't say the game is better or worse now. It's just different. I think my least favorite penalty is the personal foul for landing on top of the QB. Asking a 300 lbs man that's going full speed to suddenly not land on top of the QB is a joke. That play should always be reviewed . If it isn't obviously late or intentionally violent then it should be waived off. They pay pass rushers big bucks to disrupt the QB and then tie their hands behind their back.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
The presumptive starting NFC Pro Bowl QB is Ruiz's #18. Not #8, #10, or even #16, but #18. Behind retire dude and college QBs. Troll on, Trollette.

Yeah it's been a morbid sort of fascination all year for me
Flacco nipping on his heels, then you have Geno who's been mostly trash this year, like #7, I think Fields is in front of Brock on his list

LMAO.

Any possibility this is purely a QB physical skill index?

I guess Flacco has the stronger arm, Geno arm and maybe mobility too.....of course Fields is AMAZINGGGGGGG.

Nah. Dude's ego won't let him admit he was wrong. As though saying, "I made a mistake" makes him less of a man. Plus clickbait.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Does anyone know where Purdy ranked in the all-time yards per attempt in NFL history? I know he was close to 9.9 ahead of Marino and Warner. Thanks

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_per_att_single_season.htm

It's funny how nobody cares that much about records in the NFL. Rule changes and equipment changes along with adding another game have made records kind of a joke. How many fans know without looking it up how many yards Emmitt Smith had. It may be because there are so many different stats in football that nobody can keep up with all of them.

In baseball, the fans had a cow when Bonds broke the HR record because he was accused of taking steroids in an era when half the league was. That record was considered sacred. Not so with passing yards, TDs, rushing yards, passer rating, etc, etc.

Eh I've always been a stats nerd. I love seeing the records and who has them but you're right - not many casual fans know that stuff. I've always loved the history of the game, and the records come with that.

the rules and extra games changed stuff. I always felt like they should of made catagories
NFL records in 14 games
NFL records in 16 games
NFL records in 17 games

Then you have the dynamic of rule changes but I always thought it was most fair. Like jim brown & OJ getting 2k yards in 14 games is wild. emmitt smiths rushing yards record is wild because of how long he played and how high of a level he played for that long, same with rice. Rice's 23 touchdowns in 12 games is one of the greatest accomplishments in nfl history, IMO.

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
The presumptive starting NFC Pro Bowl QB is Ruiz's #18. Not #8, #10, or even #16, but #18. Behind retire dude and college QBs. Troll on, Trollette.

Yeah it's been a morbid sort of fascination all year for me
Flacco nipping on his heels, then you have Geno who's been mostly trash this year, like #7, I think Fields is in front of Brock on his list

LMAO.

Any possibility this is purely a QB physical skill index?

I guess Flacco has the stronger arm, Geno arm and maybe mobility too.....of course Fields is AMAZINGGGGGGG.

Nah. Dude's ego won't let him admit he was wrong. As though saying, "I made a mistake" makes him less of a man. Plus clickbait.

Whoever this guy is keeps making this ridiculous list because he knows it's going to get fans riled up and talk about him.

A view/click/mention is all the same, whether it's good or bad comments/mentions. They get paid all the same. Their algorithm still gets more attention etc. they do it cause fans b***hing and hating on him generates the same revenue/traffic as the people liking him.

make him go away by ignoring him and what he says/does.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Eh I've always been a stats nerd. I love seeing the records and who has them but you're right - not many casual fans know that stuff. I've always loved the history of the game, and the records come with that.

the rules and extra games changed stuff. I always felt like they should of made catagories
NFL records in 14 games
NFL records in 16 games
NFL records in 17 games

Then you have the dynamic of rule changes but I always thought it was most fair. Like jim brown & OJ getting 2k yards in 14 games is wild. emmitt smiths rushing yards record is wild because of how long he played and how high of a level he played for that long, same with rice. Rice's 23 touchdowns in 12 games is one of the greatest accomplishments in nfl history, IMO.

They need to just move to 18 games already, the season would still be 20, but 2 preseason and 18 regular season,
you don't want an odd number of games, that means some have more home games than others

also, on this bold, somehow in the 80s a kicker won NFL MVP, and Rice did the bold and didn't get it, so the NFL effed up so royal, that if Rice didn't win it for that, no WR will ever win it.. and indeed no WR ever has.

Mahommes isn't playing this weekend either. So Brock is going to finish with better stats! Oh yeah! Wild

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Eh I've always been a stats nerd. I love seeing the records and who has them but you're right - not many casual fans know that stuff. I've always loved the history of the game, and the records come with that.

the rules and extra games changed stuff. I always felt like they should of made catagories
NFL records in 14 games
NFL records in 16 games
NFL records in 17 games

Then you have the dynamic of rule changes but I always thought it was most fair. Like jim brown & OJ getting 2k yards in 14 games is wild. emmitt smiths rushing yards record is wild because of how long he played and how high of a level he played for that long, same with rice. Rice's 23 touchdowns in 12 games is one of the greatest accomplishments in nfl history, IMO.

They need to just move to 18 games already, the season would still be 20, but 2 preseason and 18 regular season,
you don't want an odd number of games, that means some have more home games than others

also, on this bold, somehow in the 80s a kicker won NFL MVP, and Rice did the bold and didn't get it, so the NFL effed up so royal, that if Rice didn't win it for that, no WR will ever win it.. and indeed no WR ever has.

Yeah but I can kind of see why. No matter how great a WR is, they're sort of at the mercy of their QB. They don't have the opportunity to change the game on every play, at least not like the QB or Pass rusher does. WR can obviously impact the play but they're dependent on so much that's out of their control.

i personally think Aiyuk is a top 3, maybe higher, WR this year. When you factor in the tangible and intangible parts of his game - Selfless, great run blocker, great distraction on his routes for others, really good hands, YAC. Etc. His play is huge for the run game and others getting open. Shame he didn't make the pro bowl. I'd like to see him get second team all pro or so.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah but I can kind of see why. No matter how great a WR is, they're sort of at the mercy of their QB. They don't have the opportunity to change the game on every play, at least not like the QB or Pass rusher does. WR can obviously impact the play but they're dependent on so much that's out of their control.

i personally think Aiyuk is a top 3, maybe higher, WR this year. When you factor in the tangible and intangible parts of his game - Selfless, great run blocker, great distraction on his routes for others, really good hands, YAC. Etc. His play is huge for the run game and others getting open. Shame he didn't make the pro bowl. I'd like to see him get second team all pro or so.

Moss was the best player on the field, when he was on the field, in the Minnesota days
Rice was often the best player on the field, Owens could get on that level, trust me I like Garcia, but Owens was a far better player, so while I get QB has the importance and you are right it does, sometimes the WR is a better football player

this is why tho, QBs should be measured against QBs, and non QBs vs non QBs,
that way Rice could have won a ton of MVPs and Joe and Steve still get their awards also

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Moss was the best player on the field, when he was on the field, in the Minnesota days
Rice was often the best player on the field, Owens could get on that level, trust me I like Garcia, but Owens was a far better player, so while I get QB has the importance and you are right it does, sometimes the WR is a better football player

this is why tho, QBs should be measured against QBs, and non QBs vs non QBs,
that way Rice could have won a ton of MVPs and Joe and Steve still get their awards also

Better football player at their position doesn't mean more valuable.

I look at the last 15 years of MVP or so and the one that stands out as the most to me is the one time it didn't go to a QB… and that's Adrian Peterson. He had an incredible year. 2000 yards rushing. Vikings made the playoffs with him carrying the offense and had Christian Ponder at QB. Still, there's no f**king way he was a more valuable player that season than Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, or Drew Brees, for example. Any of these teams hang up the phone laughing if the Vikings call and try to trade Peterson for their QB.

There's no need to separate for position in the awards because you have OPOY and DPOY, and that's where you can reward unbelievable seasons by players in positions outside of QBs.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah but I can kind of see why. No matter how great a WR is, they're sort of at the mercy of their QB. They don't have the opportunity to change the game on every play, at least not like the QB or Pass rusher does. WR can obviously impact the play but they're dependent on so much that's out of their control.

i personally think Aiyuk is a top 3, maybe higher, WR this year. When you factor in the tangible and intangible parts of his game - Selfless, great run blocker, great distraction on his routes for others, really good hands, YAC. Etc. His play is huge for the run game and others getting open. Shame he didn't make the pro bowl. I'd like to see him get second team all pro or so.

Moss was the best player on the field, when he was on the field, in the Minnesota days
Rice was often the best player on the field, Owens could get on that level, trust me I like Garcia, but Owens was a far better player, so while I get QB has the importance and you are right it does, sometimes the WR is a better football player

this is why tho, QBs should be measured against QBs, and non QBs vs non QBs,
that way Rice could have won a ton of MVPs and Joe and Steve still get their awards also

Why group all non-QBs together when non-QB positions all have different values and importance. But then we already have all pro first team that measured players against others in the same position, so we don't need additional awards.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Why group all non-QBs together when non-QB positions all have different values and importance. But then we already have all pro first team that measured players against others in the same position, so we don't need additional awards.

Just tired of MVP being a QB of the year honor, can't tell me Lamar was more valuable than CMC or Trent. CMC matched a like 50 year old record. I thought he was much better than Lamar, TB12 I think agreed, however it will probably go to Lamar.

I would like to see a LT get it one year, that will never happen, but when Trent is out there, he is indeed as valuable as anyone, if not in fact, the most valuable player.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Just tired of MVP being a QB of the year honor, can't tell me Lamar was more valuable than CMC or Trent. CMC matched a like 50 year old record. I thought he was much better than Lamar, TB12 I think agreed, however it will probably go to Lamar.

I would like to see a LT get it one year, that will never happen, but when Trent is out there, he is indeed as valuable as anyone, if not in fact, the most valuable player.

Definitely can and would tell you Lamar is more valuable than CMC. Is he having a better QB year than CMC is a RB one? Probably not.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Does anyone know where Purdy ranked in the all-time yards per attempt in NFL history? I know he was close to 9.9 ahead of Marino and Warner. Thanks

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_per_att_single_season.htm

It's funny how nobody cares that much about records in the NFL. Rule changes and equipment changes along with adding another game have made records kind of a joke. How many fans know without looking it up how many yards Emmitt Smith had. It may be because there are so many different stats in football that nobody can keep up with all of them.

In baseball, the fans had a cow when Bonds broke the HR record because he was accused of taking steroids in an era when half the league was. That record was considered sacred. Not so with passing yards, TDs, rushing yards, passer rating, etc, etc.

Eh I've always been a stats nerd. I love seeing the records and who has them but you're right - not many casual fans know that stuff. I've always loved the history of the game, and the records come with that.

the rules and extra games changed stuff. I always felt like they should of made catagories
NFL records in 14 games
NFL records in 16 games
NFL records in 17 games

Then you have the dynamic of rule changes but I always thought it was most fair. Like jim brown & OJ getting 2k yards in 14 games is wild. emmitt smiths rushing yards record is wild because of how long he played and how high of a level he played for that long, same with rice. Rice's 23 touchdowns in 12 games is one of the greatest accomplishments in nfl history, IMO.

Jim Brown never had 2K yards in a season. His best season was 1863 yards but you're right about it being done in 14 games.If they had played 16 games he likely would have been over 2000. Rice's record is nuts. He might have had over 30 TDs that year if he played 16 games.He wasn't the biggest or the fastest but he knew how to get open and had great hands. He was one of the few players that could make one handed catches back then but it was rare. If he had the sticky gloves they use today he probably would have had at least another 200 yards and a few more TDs.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Jim Brown never had 2K yards in a season. His best season was 1863 yards but you're right about it being done in 14 games.If they had played 16 games he likely would have been over 2000. Rice's record is nuts. He might have had over 30 TDs that year if he played 16 games.He wasn't the biggest or the fastest but he knew how to get open and had great hands. He was one of the few players that could make one handed catches back then but it was rare. If he had the sticky gloves they use today he probably would have had at least another 200 yards and a few more TDs.

He used stickum instead