QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49erKing:
Wow, Flacco above Purdy? Lulz. Who the heck is Nick Shook.

Exactly? Why do you guys care about this stuff. These guys are just doing it all for clicks.

Nick Wrong is garbage and an obvious troll. Please stop giving him clicks.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Does anyone know where Purdy ranked in the all-time yards per attempt in NFL history? I know he was close to 9.9 ahead of Marino and Warner. Thanks

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_per_att_single_season.htm

It's funny how nobody cares that much about records in the NFL. Rule changes and equipment changes along with adding another game have made records kind of a joke. How many fans know without looking it up how many yards Emmitt Smith had. It may be because there are so many different stats in football that nobody can keep up with all of them.

In baseball, the fans had a cow when Bonds broke the HR record because he was accused of taking steroids in an era when half the league was. That record was considered sacred. Not so with passing yards, TDs, rushing yards, passer rating, etc, etc.

Johnny on the spot pretty much. On top of that, the owners are still trying to add an extra game, arent they?

So revenue over everything in NFL football.

That's pretty much the case now. I know that many on this forum aren't old enough to remember how the game used to be played but it was a lot different. Players were allowed to hit harder. Defense was a bigger part of the game. The middle of the field wasn't reserved for WRs. The game actually had better pace without all the stoppages for replay review. Players weren't as concerned about their contracts as they are now.

I enjoy the offense of today but I miss the defense of the old days. I can't stand it when they penalize a defensive player for a hit on the QB. About 90% of those hits would have been legal in the 80s but QBs didn't seem to get hurt any more than they do now. Ronnie Lott would be thrown out of games on a regular basis for the hits he used to lay on receivers.

I know I sound like an old boomer and that's what I am. I know I used to enjoy watching games more back in the day than I do now. Even 7-3 defensive battles were fun to watch.

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Wow, Flacco above Purdy? Lulz. Who the heck is Nick Shook.

He looks like he smokes meth.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Does anyone know where Purdy ranked in the all-time yards per attempt in NFL history? I know he was close to 9.9 ahead of Marino and Warner. Thanks

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_per_att_single_season.htm

It's funny how nobody cares that much about records in the NFL. Rule changes and equipment changes along with adding another game have made records kind of a joke. How many fans know without looking it up how many yards Emmitt Smith had. It may be because there are so many different stats in football that nobody can keep up with all of them.

In baseball, the fans had a cow when Bonds broke the HR record because he was accused of taking steroids in an era when half the league was. That record was considered sacred. Not so with passing yards, TDs, rushing yards, passer rating, etc, etc.

Johnny on the spot pretty much. On top of that, the owners are still trying to add an extra game, arent they?

So revenue over everything in NFL football.

That's pretty much the case now. I know that many on this forum aren't old enough to remember how the game used to be played but it was a lot different. Players were allowed to hit harder. Defense was a bigger part of the game. The middle of the field wasn't reserved for WRs. The game actually had better pace without all the stoppages for replay review. Players weren't as concerned about their contracts as they are now.

I enjoy the offense of today but I miss the defense of the old days. I can't stand it when they penalize a defensive player for a hit on the QB. About 90% of those hits would have been legal in the 80s but QBs didn't seem to get hurt any more than they do now. Ronnie Lott would be thrown out of games on a regular basis for the hits he used to lay on receivers.

I know I sound like an old boomer and that's what I am. I know I used to enjoy watching games more back in the day than I do now. Even 7-3 defensive battles were fun to watch.

I agree 100% but there is one additional factor to consider. Modern sports nutrition and science applied to workouts is real. Some of these defensive players are trained assassins in build and physicality. I know we can say old school defense were smash mouth but if you really compare to how a modern day player is built it is night and day. These guys could really take your head off if they wanted. The hits had to be limited now or there just wouldn't be starter QBs in this league. Sports nutrition and science added to workouts along with workout equipment available now are creating total beasts on the field. Protection to QB is required although I agree the old days were a lot more fun.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Nick Wrong is garbage and an obvious troll. Please stop giving him clicks.

Dude he posts for nfl dot com. He knows his s**t!

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Does anyone know where Purdy ranked in the all-time yards per attempt in NFL history? I know he was close to 9.9 ahead of Marino and Warner. Thanks

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_per_att_single_season.htm

It's funny how nobody cares that much about records in the NFL. Rule changes and equipment changes along with adding another game have made records kind of a joke. How many fans know without looking it up how many yards Emmitt Smith had. It may be because there are so many different stats in football that nobody can keep up with all of them.

In baseball, the fans had a cow when Bonds broke the HR record because he was accused of taking steroids in an era when half the league was. That record was considered sacred. Not so with passing yards, TDs, rushing yards, passer rating, etc, etc.

Johnny on the spot pretty much. On top of that, the owners are still trying to add an extra game, arent they?

So revenue over everything in NFL football.

That's pretty much the case now. I know that many on this forum aren't old enough to remember how the game used to be played but it was a lot different. Players were allowed to hit harder. Defense was a bigger part of the game. The middle of the field wasn't reserved for WRs. The game actually had better pace without all the stoppages for replay review. Players weren't as concerned about their contracts as they are now.

I enjoy the offense of today but I miss the defense of the old days. I can't stand it when they penalize a defensive player for a hit on the QB. About 90% of those hits would have been legal in the 80s but QBs didn't seem to get hurt any more than they do now. Ronnie Lott would be thrown out of games on a regular basis for the hits he used to lay on receivers.

I know I sound like an old boomer and that's what I am. I know I used to enjoy watching games more back in the day than I do now. Even 7-3 defensive battles were fun to watch.

I agree 100% but there is one additional factor to consider. Modern sports nutrition and science applied to workouts is real. Some of these defensive players are trained assassins in build and physicality. I know we can say old school defense were smash mouth but if you really compare to how a modern day player is built it is night and day. These guys could really take your head off if they wanted. The hits had to be limited now or there just wouldn't be starter QBs in this league. Sports nutrition and science added to workouts along with workout equipment available now are creating total beasts on the field. Protection to QB is required although I agree the old days were a lot more fun.

I agree that payers are bigger now but they're bigger on both sides of the ball. The Niners biggest tackle was Bubba Paris and Walsh was constantly on him to keep his weight around 300. Now nearly every O lineman is over that. 320-330 is common. DBs aren't much different in size now than they were back then. Most are in that 185-210 pound range.

Thr NFL could probably do more to reduce injuries if they would stop turning a blind eye on the steroid use. Get the players back down to a more normal weight instead of these steroid monsters.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I agree that payers are bigger now but they're bigger on both sides of the ball. The Niners biggest tackle was Bubba Paris and Walsh was constantly on him to keep his weight around 300. Now nearly every O lineman is over that. 320-330 is common. DBs aren't much different in size now than they were back then. Most are in that 185-210 pound range.

Thr NFL could probably do more to reduce injuries if they would stop turning a blind eye on the steroid use. Get the players back down to a more normal weight instead of these steroid monsters.

We have some guys in our division, known for throwing helmets, and in some cases, damaging where you rest the helmet, I have my suspicions, if you catch my drift..

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Nick Wrong is garbage and an obvious troll. Please stop giving him clicks.

He's a complete idiot.

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Does anyone know where Purdy ranked in the all-time yards per attempt in NFL history? I know he was close to 9.9 ahead of Marino and Warner. Thanks

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_per_att_single_season.htm

It's funny how nobody cares that much about records in the NFL. Rule changes and equipment changes along with adding another game have made records kind of a joke. How many fans know without looking it up how many yards Emmitt Smith had. It may be because there are so many different stats in football that nobody can keep up with all of them.

In baseball, the fans had a cow when Bonds broke the HR record because he was accused of taking steroids in an era when half the league was. That record was considered sacred. Not so with passing yards, TDs, rushing yards, passer rating, etc, etc.

Johnny on the spot pretty much. On top of that, the owners are still trying to add an extra game, arent they?

So revenue over everything in NFL football.

That's pretty much the case now. I know that many on this forum aren't old enough to remember how the game used to be played but it was a lot different. Players were allowed to hit harder. Defense was a bigger part of the game. The middle of the field wasn't reserved for WRs. The game actually had better pace without all the stoppages for replay review. Players weren't as concerned about their contracts as they are now.

I enjoy the offense of today but I miss the defense of the old days. I can't stand it when they penalize a defensive player for a hit on the QB. About 90% of those hits would have been legal in the 80s but QBs didn't seem to get hurt any more than they do now. Ronnie Lott would be thrown out of games on a regular basis for the hits he used to lay on receivers.

I know I sound like an old boomer and that's what I am. I know I used to enjoy watching games more back in the day than I do now. Even 7-3 defensive battles were fun to watch.

I agree 100% but there is one additional factor to consider. Modern sports nutrition and science applied to workouts is real. Some of these defensive players are trained assassins in build and physicality. I know we can say old school defense were smash mouth but if you really compare to how a modern day player is built it is night and day. These guys could really take your head off if they wanted. The hits had to be limited now or there just wouldn't be starter QBs in this league. Sports nutrition and science added to workouts along with workout equipment available now are creating total beasts on the field. Protection to QB is required although I agree the old days were a lot more fun.

I'm biased, but I feel the 90s were the best era of the NFL. Players were fitter but not sports scienced to beasts. Offenses and defenses were fairly equal to each other. Offenses could run or pass equally well depending on their players. Kickoff returns were exciting.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
That's pretty much the case now. I know that many on this forum aren't old enough to remember how the game used to be played but it was a lot different. Players were allowed to hit harder. Defense was a bigger part of the game. The middle of the field wasn't reserved for WRs. The game actually had better pace without all the stoppages for replay review. Players weren't as concerned about their contracts as they are now.

I enjoy the offense of today but I miss the defense of the old days. I can't stand it when they penalize a defensive player for a hit on the QB. About 90% of those hits would have been legal in the 80s but QBs didn't seem to get hurt any more than they do now. Ronnie Lott would be thrown out of games on a regular basis for the hits he used to lay on receivers.

I know I sound like an old boomer and that's what I am. I know I used to enjoy watching games more back in the day than I do now. Even 7-3 defensive battles were fun to watch.

There was a more predictable element to the game back then. Rewatch the 1990 MNF 49ers/Giants game (the 7-3 I believe you are referring to), or the NFCC that year that ended 15-13, and you're highly unlikely to come up with so many turning points that were either bad (no) calls or players getting super lucky.

Two major slugfests, some crazy drama, but a game dictated by two defenses and the Giants were slightly more opportunistic that day (plus Craig being unable to be Craig that year hurt the Niners offense schematically).

How the 49ers lost the Super Bowl to the Chiefs IMO would never have happened back then. If the game was 20-10 with 6 minutes to go in the fourth and the losing team's offense couldn't get it in gear by then, it was going to be hard to make it happen. The Niners for whatever reason couldn't do it against the Giants in the '85 wildcard and just simply lost 17-3, with a scoreless 4th quarter for both teams.

Now we have games where we literally cannot celebrate the victory until mathematically it's impossible (or extremely unlikely). The Eagles game a month ago, I think I felt victory was in hand after we had scored our 6th TD!!! WTF?!

Comebacks here and there are cool.......I'm not anti-comeback by any means......but I hate how it's become too easy (at least for when it's your team holding out, LOL).

BTW, most fans did not enjoy the last Patriots SB victory over the Rams......I thought it was wonderful. That was a 1970s game played 5 years ago!!

This whole idea of "better QB" wins of the modern NFL is kinda annoying to me, and here's why:

When we had Montana and Young, how often did that truly help us? Yes, the 49ers are likely the team of the '80s because of Joe, and the '90s 49ers were great because of Young. However, how many good but not great QBs did the 49ers lose to? A TON!!!

In fact, back then the AFC had the QBs, and the NFC had Montana (from a HoF perspective)....you could add Young/Favre/Aikman in the '90s, and yet it was an old Elway finally winning one once he had a real team.

Meanwhile 49er fans would see losses to Phillip Simms (a good QB), Jeffery Hostetler (a backup), Joseph Thiesmann (a good QB), James McMahon (come on, haha), James Everett (good QB). The better QB argument meant a lot less back then......if the 49ers roster/game plan/luck wasn't good enough that day, it wouldn't matter if you had Montana, you lost.

The loss of that equalizer has now rewarded just a handful of teams to win championships. And of course, in the 25 years since Young (minus the last year), the Niners have often been on the losing end of the QB stick with no Lombardis to show despite having some rosters that would stack up real well to the dynasty era teams!!!

I remember Debartolo saying that the 2011 team right before the playoffs were better than the 1981 team, and I had to stop and think, he was right! But because Alexander Smith wasn't a game changing QB, it didn't feel right (and ultimately was why the team didn't win).

The NFL wanted PARITY and they got it YES and NO...........

YES - now every s**tty team can become something in 2-3 years. This is the first 11+ win season simultaneously for Cleveland and Detroit I heard.....the Bucs won 2 super bowls since Debartolo was owner (and the BUCS sucked back then in a way the young guys couldn't comprehend......they couldn't even pull a trap game win to save their lives.....truly garbage team, and I say that with empathy, LOL). The Patriots had a 1-15 season in 1990.....never would've imagined what was to come.

NO - Ok, so many teams can get to the playoffs, maybe even the big dance. But if you don't HAVE THE QB, you can't win it. This is basically how it's been since the Bucs (there we go again, lol) won their first SB in 2002.....the 2006 Bears went and lost to the Colts and that would be the last time a true game manager got his team to the bowl (that team had nothing on the 2011 49ers). Peyton somehow pulled off a miracle in 2015, but I can't imagine that EVER happening again....

If they showed 2019+ Garoppolo clips/games 25+ years ago, nobody would've called him anything but a good maybe very good QB. Wouldn't cross anyone's mind he wouldn't have been enough.

This the reality of the modern day guy.

Maybe just maybe we luck out with Purdy and can have an unfair advantage over the NFL and potentially win more easily than the old days.

Maybe.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I agree that payers are bigger now but they're bigger on both sides of the ball. The Niners biggest tackle was Bubba Paris and Walsh was constantly on him to keep his weight around 300. Now nearly every O lineman is over that. 320-330 is common. DBs aren't much different in size now than they were back then. Most are in that 185-210 pound range.

Thr NFL could probably do more to reduce injuries if they would stop turning a blind eye on the steroid use. Get the players back down to a more normal weight instead of these steroid monsters.

There's not much they can do.

As it stands now, the NFL is pretty much everyone who has a source for quality drugs and knowledgeable consultants that instruct them how to taper, microdose, defeat tests, etc.

The PED-adjacent industry is pretty big and highly effective.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
There was a more predictable element to the game back then. Rewatch the 1990 MNF 49ers/Giants game (the 7-3 I believe you are referring to), or the NFCC that year that ended 15-13, and you're highly unlikely to come up with so many turning points that were either bad (no) calls or players getting super lucky.

Two major slugfests, some crazy drama, but a game dictated by two defenses and the Giants were slightly more opportunistic that day (plus Craig being unable to be Craig that year hurt the Niners offense schematically).

How the 49ers lost the Super Bowl to the Chiefs IMO would never have happened back then. If the game was 20-10 with 6 minutes to go in the fourth and the losing team's offense couldn't get it in gear by then, it was going to be hard to make it happen. The Niners for whatever reason couldn't do it against the Giants in the '85 wildcard and just simply lost 17-3, with a scoreless 4th quarter for both teams.

Now we have games where we literally cannot celebrate the victory until mathematically it's impossible (or extremely unlikely). The Eagles game a month ago, I think I felt victory was in hand after we had scored our 6th TD!!! WTF?!

Comebacks here and there are cool.......I'm not anti-comeback by any means......but I hate how it's become too easy (at least for when it's your team holding out, LOL).

BTW, most fans did not enjoy the last Patriots SB victory over the Rams......I thought it was wonderful. That was a 1970s game played 5 years ago!!

This whole idea of "better QB" wins of the modern NFL is kinda annoying to me, and here's why:

When we had Montana and Young, how often did that truly help us? Yes, the 49ers are likely the team of the '80s because of Joe, and the '90s 49ers were great because of Young. However, how many good but not great QBs did the 49ers lose to? A TON!!!

In fact, back then the AFC had the QBs, and the NFC had Montana (from a HoF perspective)....you could add Young/Favre/Aikman in the '90s, and yet it was an old Elway finally winning one once he had a real team.

Meanwhile 49er fans would see losses to Phillip Simms (a good QB), Jeffery Hostetler (a backup), Joseph Thiesmann (a good QB), James McMahon (come on, haha), James Everett (good QB). The better QB argument meant a lot less back then......if the 49ers roster/game plan/luck wasn't good enough that day, it wouldn't matter if you had Montana, you lost.

The loss of that equalizer has now rewarded just a handful of teams to win championships. And of course, in the 25 years since Young (minus the last year), the Niners have often been on the losing end of the QB stick with no Lombardis to show despite having some rosters that would stack up real well to the dynasty era teams!!!

I remember Debartolo saying that the 2011 team right before the playoffs were better than the 1981 team, and I had to stop and think, he was right! But because Alexander Smith wasn't a game changing QB, it didn't feel right (and ultimately was why the team didn't win).

The NFL wanted PARITY and they got it YES and NO...........

YES - now every s**tty team can become something in 2-3 years. This is the first 11+ win season simultaneously for Cleveland and Detroit I heard.....the Bucs won 2 super bowls since Debartolo was owner (and the BUCS sucked back then in a way the young guys couldn't comprehend......they couldn't even pull a trap game win to save their lives.....truly garbage team, and I say that with empathy, LOL). The Patriots had a 1-15 season in 1990.....never would've imagined what was to come.

NO - Ok, so many teams can get to the playoffs, maybe even the big dance. But if you don't HAVE THE QB, you can't win it. This is basically how it's been since the Bucs (there we go again, lol) won their first SB in 2002.....the 2006 Bears went and lost to the Colts and that would be the last time a true game manager got his team to the bowl (that team had nothing on the 2011 49ers). Peyton somehow pulled off a miracle in 2015, but I can't imagine that EVER happening again....

If they showed 2019+ Garoppolo clips/games 25+ years ago, nobody would've called him anything but a good maybe very good QB. Wouldn't cross anyone's mind he wouldn't have been enough.

This the reality of the modern day guy.

Maybe just maybe we luck out with Purdy and can have an unfair advantage over the NFL and potentially win more easily than the old days.

Maybe.

good post, one rant it inspired
Imo, there's no parity,
or consider this when you speak of parity, and you touch on some of this:

Brady arrived in 2001 (first year playing)
for 20 years the SB had a QB with one of these 3 names (Manning, Roethlisberger, Brady)
in 17 of 20 seasons (85%)
only 3 seasons did you see none of these 3 names, we were involved in 2 (Kaep vs Flacco, and Mahomes vs JG; also there was Gannon vs Brad Johnson)

the reason parity never came about, is in addition to FA and salary cap, the game leaned more into protecting QBs, and limiting contact on WRs, so having a high end QB is of more importance than ever, and if you have one, you can contend year in and out

The presumptive starting NFC Pro Bowl QB is Ruiz's #18. Not #8, #10, or even #16, but #18. Behind retire dude and college QBs. Troll on, Trollette.

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
The presumptive starting NFC Pro Bowl QB is Ruiz's #18. Not #8, #10, or even #16, but #18. Behind retire dude and college QBs. Troll on, Trollette.

Yeah it's been a morbid sort of fascination all year for me
Flacco nipping on his heels, then you have Geno who's been mostly trash this year, like #7, I think Fields is in front of Brock on his list