QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by TheDude49:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by dj43:
Let's talk about that:

I don't accept that as a fact. Last night the TV crew showed 4 different 49ers that were tops in different areas of receiving, including Purdy having a huge lead in yardage per attempt. That being the case, why can't we throw our way back into games?

To me, the only reason we MIGHT not be able to throw our way back into games is that the OL can't PP once the opponent begins to throw in stunts and blitzes the OL can't stop.

While I disagree with the notion that we're not built to come back....the fact is that this is a run-oriented offense and the league as a whole is built to stop the pass first. That's a big advantage for Kyle, run the ball to set up the passing attack which is why SF is efficient, but if the running game is held in check, then it is more strength vs strength. Last nights game got totally out of hand when you're handing out gifts like a department store santa claus, and the other team has no turnovers....there just isn't any coming back from that.

Are we not going to talk about the defense not being able to get a stop? I understand the disadvantage when we give them a short field, but there was a point we downed the ball at their 5 yard line and allowed them to drive the entire field. They settled for a FG, but in a closer game likely would have gone for it and made it. There is no way to throw your way back into a game if the defense can't get a stop.

Yes, at some point, if we are to come back from a deficit, the defense has to get the ball back so we can attempt to come back. That is a "duh" moment. (no offense)

The question is, assuming the defense can get a couple of stops, can this KS offense, with Purdy and the most productive set of pass catchers in the league, come back to win?

Or, more specifically, why can it not?

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I see one WR who can win on routes consistently, JJ is an elite blocker, out last night, but he's our WR3. Deebo is a bit of a wildcard, but I don't think of him as getting a lot of separation. The way we use Deebo, is in the run game, or as a joker, the screen game, just manufacture ways to get the ball in his hands. He doesn't excel dropping back every play and him toasting his matchup for easy completions. Lot of teams have a slot machine, a guy who can play the slot, we don't have a slot WR rostered (as in a conventional slot WR). You kinda need that if you are gonna drop back every play, or comeback in that fashion.

Deebo can and does get separation. Most teams don't have a bunch of elite separators on their roster…you're making it sound like that's normal?

also the slot position overall doesn't require elite separation. They get free releases off the LOS. IMO JJ is more than a blocker, he's got good footwork and there's a reason why a lot of his catches go for 1st downs.

Our receiving personnel is not the issue overall, yes our OL is on the lower end as far as pass-pro goes, they also are towards the top in the league in downfield/explosive plays.

If you think we need a Tyreek Hill like WR…well every team would say yes lol.

Baltimore matches up very well with us.

"All the pre-snap motion, the shifting, the formations that the 49ers do really don't come into play."

Fascinating breakdown from @BaldyNFL on how Mike Macdonald's #Ravens defense smothered San Francisco.

📺📱💻 Full episodes of The Insiders on #NFLPlus: https://t.co/RV7mRM3S0M pic.twitter.com/mjm5ytFtuw

— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) December 26, 2023

You're gonna have a hard time finding a team with 5 INTs (and zero takeaways) that have come back and won a game like that.

Truth!!

Also, if Kyle took his foot out of his ass and called a more balanced run/pass game I guarantee those shifts/motions would have caused a lot of problems. With that said gotta give credit to that Raven's D for pulling us into the deep end of the pool and not letting go.

Agree, they have to flush this game down, and Kyle has to coach better in a rematch. He did great in a rematch with Siriani, and I think he'll do much better against John Harbaugh next time. If there is a next time.

Originally posted by dj43:
Yes, at some point, if we are to come back from a deficit, the defense has to get the ball back so we can attempt to come back. That is a "duh" moment. (no offense)

The question is, assuming the defense can get a couple of stops, can this KS offense, with Purdy and the most productive set of pass catchers in the league, come back to win?

Or, more specifically, why can it not?

I posted an answer to this, it's not the most productive set of pass catchers, unless you are looking with a certain lens, at maybe per play metrics. Hard to say our pass catchers exceed what MIA, MIN, heck LV, or a lot of others can do. SEA has 3 elite receivers. Rams have elite WRs. We have complete players, and factors in the run game. Being a factor in the run game, is a KS requisite. PIT has a couple high end receivers, who made headlines for refusing to block.

BA to me is a complete receiver, can get separation, and can block. Deebo isn't a route runner in my book, he doesn't separate like BA. He's a bit of a wildcard, and a times, RB. Kittle is a complete TE, but a lot of his receiving work you can find around the league. His value he's insanely gritty, and a warrior in the run game, as well as a respected leader in the LR. I wouldn't at all say that we have the best pass down players in the game, far from it. We do have the best run down players in the game. Who wants to be on the receiving end of Trent, Kittle, BA, Deebo, all coming at you as run blockers? It's only when that run game is cooking that we can take advantage of how it distorts defenses to give the efficiency numbers that you are talking about, in the per play pass metrics.

Originally posted by goldlame2013:
Here's the deal. The Niners were trying to win the MVP vote yesterday, the Ravens came to win the game. The 49ers weren't ready, period. They weren't for the physicality of the defensive line. Offensive line got ate up. The only good news is that this MVP talk is over, and the focus on being a Superbowl team can be the main thing.

Not just that, but I think the ravens needed this game more especially with Miami up next and that game is for the 1 seed. Yeah we have the rams coming up but it's not a battle between them and us.

Originally posted by JR80Forever:
Unfortunately for Brock his coach has a very well documented 4th Quarter comeback record.

Because of this record Brock will never have the opportunity to lead a 4th Quarter comeback.

Shannahan calls the plays and owns the record. As long as Kyle is calling the plays, you will never see Purdy lead a comeback.

It's an unfortunate situation for Brock.

lol u guys are so ridiculous

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I see one WR who can win on routes consistently, JJ is an elite blocker, out last night, but he's our WR3. Deebo is a bit of a wildcard, but I don't think of him as getting a lot of separation. The way we use Deebo, is in the run game, or as a joker, the screen game, just manufacture ways to get the ball in his hands. He doesn't excel dropping back every play and him toasting his matchup for easy completions. Lot of teams have a slot machine, a guy who can play the slot, we don't have a slot WR rostered (as in a conventional slot WR). You kinda need that if you are gonna drop back every play, or comeback in that fashion.

Deebo can and does get separation. Most teams don't have a bunch of elite separators on their roster…you're making it sound like that's normal?

also the slot position overall doesn't require elite separation. They get free releases off the LOS. IMO JJ is more than a blocker, he's got good footwork and there's a reason why a lot of his catches go for 1st downs.

Our receiving personnel is not the issue overall, yes our OL is on the lower end as far as pass-pro goes, they also are towards the top in the league in downfield/explosive plays.

If you think we need a Tyreek Hill like WR…well every team would say yes lol.

Baltimore matches up very well with us.

"All the pre-snap motion, the shifting, the formations that the 49ers do really don't come into play."

Fascinating breakdown from @BaldyNFL on how Mike Macdonald's #Ravens defense smothered San Francisco.

📺📱💻 Full episodes of The Insiders on #NFLPlus: https://t.co/RV7mRM3S0M pic.twitter.com/mjm5ytFtuw

— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) December 26, 2023

You're gonna have a hard time finding a team with 5 INTs (and zero takeaways) that have come back and won a game like that.

Truth!!

Also, if Kyle took his foot out of his ass and called a more balanced run/pass game I guarantee those shifts/motions would have caused a lot of problems. With that said gotta give credit to that Raven's D for pulling us into the deep end of the pool and not letting go.

Agree, they have to flush this game down, and Kyle has to coach better in a rematch. He did great in a rematch with Siriani, and I think he'll do much better against John Harbaugh next time. If there is a next time.

And why didn't we use Jordan Mason( since he's the only one available RB who's reliable enough) at all to give us more running options? I think we were rushing a little too much in this game after the first interception. I didn't even see as many pre snap motions as we normally do in the past game. There's a lot to learn from this game. Silver lining is the game gave us a taste of what's coming as the playoffs get deeper all the way to SB. Now the team knows it will take not only talents but total discipline( every one should be in the same page and 0 mistakes and penalties) and perfection to win it all.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by JR80Forever:
Unfortunately for Brock his coach has a very well documented 4th Quarter comeback record.

Because of this record Brock will never have the opportunity to lead a 4th Quarter comeback.

Shannahan calls the plays and owns the record. As long as Kyle is calling the plays, you will never see Purdy lead a comeback.

It's an unfortunate situation for Brock.

lol u guys are so ridiculous

They only appear when Brock has a bad game.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
They only appear when Brock has a bad game.

To be fair, 'they' appear when he has a good game as well. It's just the other side that wants to scream 'Montana/Brady/Brees' nonsense.

{Hopefully I get this right}

In 1999 Kurt Warner passed for 4,300 yard 41 TD's and 13 INT's.

Hmm I don't feel so s**tty about Brock Purdy anymore. Lol

Originally posted by Kolohe:
{Hopefully I get this right}

In 1999 Kurt Warner passed for 4,300 yard 41 TD's and 13 INT's.

Hmm I don't feel so s**tty about Brock Purdy anymore. Lol

Kurt's season is insane, he won MVP and SBMVP, no one knew who the dude was
in that era, those numbers weren't very common,
considered one of the best seasons of all time

One thing Sherman brought up is that on the first INT, he believed that Kittle stopped prematurely and that he was supposed to pull Hamilton further away from the center of the endzone, leaving a larger opening for the throw to go through.

What shocks me is there are so many sports analyst especially on espn that are so happy when Brock has a bad game. It is just so mind boggling how so many ex athletes can take so much pleasure in watching another player have a bad game. It's like i have said in a previous post to my knowledge I can't remember ever seeing this happen.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:
Yes, at some point, if we are to come back from a deficit, the defense has to get the ball back so we can attempt to come back. That is a "duh" moment. (no offense)

The question is, assuming the defense can get a couple of stops, can this KS offense, with Purdy and the most productive set of pass catchers in the league, come back to win?

Or, more specifically, why can it not?

I posted an answer to this, it's not the most productive set of pass catchers, unless you are looking with a certain lens, at maybe per play metrics. Hard to say our pass catchers exceed what MIA, MIN, heck LV, or a lot of others can do. SEA has 3 elite receivers. Rams have elite WRs. We have complete players, and factors in the run game. Being a factor in the run game, is a KS requisite. PIT has a couple high end receivers, who made headlines for refusing to block.

BA to me is a complete receiver, can get separation, and can block. Deebo isn't a route runner in my book, he doesn't separate like BA. He's a bit of a wildcard, and a times, RB. Kittle is a complete TE, but a lot of his receiving work you can find around the league. His value he's insanely gritty, and a warrior in the run game, as well as a respected leader in the LR. I wouldn't at all say that we have the best pass down players in the game, far from it. We do have the best run down players in the game. Who wants to be on the receiving end of Trent, Kittle, BA, Deebo, all coming at you as run blockers? It's only when that run game is cooking that we can take advantage of how it distorts defenses to give the efficiency numbers that you are talking about, in the per play pass metrics.

All of this.

Originally posted by bud49:
What shocks me is there are so many sports analyst especially on espn that are so happy when Brock has a bad game. It is just so mind boggling how so many ex athletes can take so much pleasure in watching another player have a bad game. It's like i have said in a previous post to my knowledge I can't remember ever seeing this happen.

I think some of the retired athletes feel uncomfortable by the fact that a 7th rounder can immediately compete for an MVP. especially highly drafted guys. Maybe one other reason why Sherm, aside from his 49ers time, supports Brock, maybe he understands as a later round pick. Never understood Shannon Sharpe though, another seventh rounder from a small school, who doesn't really support Purdy. You'd think there would be solidarity there. anyways..... STILL MY MVP

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by bud49:
What shocks me is there are so many sports analyst especially on espn that are so happy when Brock has a bad game. It is just so mind boggling how so many ex athletes can take so much pleasure in watching another player have a bad game. It's like i have said in a previous post to my knowledge I can't remember ever seeing this happen.

I think some of the retired athletes feel uncomfortable by the fact that a 7th rounder can immediately compete for an MVP. especially highly drafted guys. Maybe one other reason why Sherm, aside from his 49ers time, supports Brock, maybe he understands as a later round pick. Never understood Shannon Sharpe though, another seventh rounder from a small school, who doesn't really support Purdy. You'd think there would be solidarity there. anyways..... STILL MY MVP

I think they want to see more than just one complete season in games to crown him prince football. Neither side is wrong. Fans need to grab a grip on reality and not take it personal.