QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by ritz126:
i dont think thats it in college at a pretty good school if you are uber talented you will show up on tape no matter what.

What he excels at is what's hardest for some of these QBs to learn because they got by on talent which is reading the field and making good decisions. He came in and is helped by a great QB friendly scheme and a lot of tlaented players but the fact he can run this offense pretty much like a veteran is why he is excelling

but also keep in mind like the knock on him he isn't exactly lighting the world on fire like Mahomes he pretty much is coming and and playing extremally efficient like Jimmy (very similar stats and effiency which both are top 5 in NFL) however the difference is Brock is more willing to throw it down field (at the slight trade off of missing some throws Jimmy makes) but overall there has been no drop off between Jimmy and him

its crazy cause Trey still has the higher upside there is no question but right now Brock is the better QB (which is why i thought we were the better team with Jimmy as QB over Trey)

I agree with pretty much everything you said.

Brock and Trey should both have great off seasons and a lot of improvement. I'm very excited to see how they look coming into camp and who we decide to move forward with.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by ritz126:
i dont think thats it in college at a pretty good school if you are uber talented you will show up on tape no matter what.

What he excels at is what's hardest for some of these QBs to learn because they got by on talent which is reading the field and making good decisions. He came in and is helped by a great QB friendly scheme and a lot of tlaented players but the fact he can run this offense pretty much like a veteran is why he is excelling

but also keep in mind like the knock on him he isn't exactly lighting the world on fire like Mahomes he pretty much is coming and and playing extremally efficient like Jimmy (very similar stats and effiency which both are top 5 in NFL) however the difference is Brock is more willing to throw it down field (at the slight trade off of missing some throws Jimmy makes) but overall there has been no drop off between Jimmy and him

its crazy cause Trey still has the higher upside there is no question but right now Brock is the better QB (which is why i thought we were the better team with Jimmy as QB over Trey)

I agree with pretty much everything you said.

Brock and Trey should both have great off seasons and a lot of improvement. I'm very excited to see how they look coming into camp and who we decide to move forward with.

Brock's emergence makes things very interesting in 2023. A good problem to have that should provide 49er fans with lots of discussion topics. Take the time to develop Trey versus plug-and-play Brock. The only decision Kyle might make that I'd disagree with is continuing to play Lance if he struggles for multiple games while showing little improvement, with the primary reason being that the SB window is now and there isn't much time to waste. I think the 'safe' decision that explores all possibilities is play Lance and see if he makes noticeable improvement in a rather short amount of time. If he does, great, let him play. If he doesn't, Brock would make a fine plan B. Lots off offseason between now and when Kyle has to decide.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Colts are a disaster too right now.

Coaching. That team will turn in time. Probably a good time to jump in (next season)

They are basically going through their Jim Tomsula phase right now.

LOL - good one :)

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by Niners99:
lol why would Demeco ruin his HC opportunity by taking the Texans job? That organization is a mess.

Colts incoming

Colts are a disaster too right now.

I don't know how much interest DeMeco would have in the Colts job, but the only way I think he'd take the Texans job was if he has an emotional pull, having played most of his career there.

The way things are going with the qb position, injury will dictate who Kyle will play. Whether Trey or Brock to start in 2023, you know that guy off the bench gonna get his chance.

I honestly think Shanahan gets more out of our offense with Purdy than Lance or JG. Why is that even possible? It's kinda mind boggling, but...

FIRST - Purdy is not perfect - he has 2 deficiencies I can see so far, but they are fixable -
1. He often is blind to or misses a mid-level defender closing to a route from the opposite side - this has been the case on his interceptions and near interceptions. But he can learn to increase his awareness.
2. He is willing to float long throws - so far it's worked out because they have excellent touch on them, but eventually an athletic defender will surprise you that he can close on a ball like that. With an offseason I would expect his throws to get a bit stronger.

STRENGTHS
1. Confidence and experience - they go hand in hand. He has a lot of football under his belt at the college level. So he isn't mentally overwhelmed by all the detail of each play, and he isn't overwhelmed by the rush. Very cool to see imho.
2. Quick decisions - he reads even the complex NFL defenses quickly and makes the right throw. He could be a tad quicker, but heck, JG and Lance so far appear to be slow readers except in the most basic reads -- which I think really limits KS play calling. Miami, Tampa, and Seattle all changed up coverages significantly post-snap and it didn't seem to phase him. (He may have been exceptionally well coached up to expect the changes - Kudos to KS and Griese if so)
3. He is more mobile - quick - than expected. And quick can serve a QB better in the pocket than long run mobile. When he moves he stays with the play and seems to know where the routes will be coming to. Some QBs, once they start moving, they seem to almost have to re-read the defense to make a decision - a la JG running to the sideline before he finally throws a last ditch pass.

All of this seems to free up KS to call the type of complex route combinations he wants. Rather than seemingly throttling back the offense like seemed to happen with JG and Lance.

Just my 2 cents

Originally posted by HearstFan:
I honestly think Shanahan gets more out of our offense with Purdy than Lance or JG. Why is that even possible? It's kinda mind boggling, but...

FIRST - Purdy is not perfect - he has 2 deficiencies I can see so far, but they are fixable -
1. He often is blind to or misses a mid-level defender closing to a route from the opposite side - this has been the case on his interceptions and near interceptions. But he can learn to increase his awareness.
2. He is willing to float long throws - so far it's worked out because they have excellent touch on them, but eventually an athletic defender will surprise you that he can close on a ball like that. With an offseason I would expect his throws to get a bit stronger.

STRENGTHS
1. Confidence and experience - they go hand in hand. He has a lot of football under his belt at the college level. So he isn't mentally overwhelmed by all the detail of each play, and he isn't overwhelmed by the rush. Very cool to see imho.
2. Quick decisions - he reads even the complex NFL defenses quickly and makes the right throw. He could be a tad quicker, but heck, JG and Lance so far appear to be slow readers except in the most basic reads -- which I think really limits KS play calling. Miami, Tampa, and Seattle all changed up coverages significantly post-snap and it didn't seem to phase him. (He may have been exceptionally well coached up to expect the changes - Kudos to KS and Griese if so)
3. He is more mobile - quick - than expected. And quick can serve a QB better in the pocket than long run mobile. When he moves he stays with the play and seems to know where the routes will be coming to. Some QBs, once they start moving, they seem to almost have to re-read the defense to make a decision - a la JG running to the sideline before he finally throws a last ditch pass.

All of this seems to free up KS to call the type of complex route combinations he wants. Rather than seemingly throttling back the offense like seemed to happen with JG and Lance.

Just my 2 cents

Agree with this 1000%

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by HearstFan:
I honestly think Shanahan gets more out of our offense with Purdy than Lance or JG. Why is that even possible? It's kinda mind boggling, but...

FIRST - Purdy is not perfect - he has 2 deficiencies I can see so far, but they are fixable -
1. He often is blind to or misses a mid-level defender closing to a route from the opposite side - this has been the case on his interceptions and near interceptions. But he can learn to increase his awareness.
2. He is willing to float long throws - so far it's worked out because they have excellent touch on them, but eventually an athletic defender will surprise you that he can close on a ball like that. With an offseason I would expect his throws to get a bit stronger.

STRENGTHS
1. Confidence and experience - they go hand in hand. He has a lot of football under his belt at the college level. So he isn't mentally overwhelmed by all the detail of each play, and he isn't overwhelmed by the rush. Very cool to see imho.
2. Quick decisions - he reads even the complex NFL defenses quickly and makes the right throw. He could be a tad quicker, but heck, JG and Lance so far appear to be slow readers except in the most basic reads -- which I think really limits KS play calling. Miami, Tampa, and Seattle all changed up coverages significantly post-snap and it didn't seem to phase him. (He may have been exceptionally well coached up to expect the changes - Kudos to KS and Griese if so)
3. He is more mobile - quick - than expected. And quick can serve a QB better in the pocket than long run mobile. When he moves he stays with the play and seems to know where the routes will be coming to. Some QBs, once they start moving, they seem to almost have to re-read the defense to make a decision - a la JG running to the sideline before he finally throws a last ditch pass.

All of this seems to free up KS to call the type of complex route combinations he wants. Rather than seemingly throttling back the offense like seemed to happen with JG and Lance.

Just my 2 cents

Agree with this 1000%

Purdy will go through his growing pains and he will throw more intercepts as he learns. This is inevitable. But over time his turnover rate will decrease and his accuracy due to getting better reading defenses and due to improved technique will increase. He has a potential higher ceiling than he has now and the chances that will improve are extremely good as he gains NFL experience and adapts.

Originally posted by Goatie:
Purdy will go through his growing pains and he will throw more intercepts as he learns. This is inevitable. But over time his turnover rate will decrease and his accuracy due to getting better reading defenses and due to improved technique will increase. He has a potential higher ceiling than he has now and the chances that will improve are extremely good as he gains NFL experience and adapts.

His anticipation will get better too as he gets more reps with the starters and more comfortable/quicker with reading defenses

Originally posted by Goatie:
Purdy will go through his growing pains and he will throw more intercepts as he learns. This is inevitable. But over time his turnover rate will decrease and his accuracy due to getting better reading defenses and due to improved technique will increase. He has a potential higher ceiling than he has now and the chances that will improve are extremely good as he gains NFL experience and adapts.

I don't know about decreasing the TO rate. It could always be better, however, his ratio right now and his completion % are virtually the same as Mahomes and Burrows and better than Justin Herbert. I'll settle for that going forward.

Originally posted by HearstFan:
I honestly think Shanahan gets more out of our offense with Purdy than Lance or JG. Why is that even possible? It's kinda mind boggling, but...

FIRST - Purdy is not perfect - he has 2 deficiencies I can see so far, but they are fixable -
1. He often is blind to or misses a mid-level defender closing to a route from the opposite side - this has been the case on his interceptions and near interceptions. But he can learn to increase his awareness.
2. He is willing to float long throws - so far it's worked out because they have excellent touch on them, but eventually an athletic defender will surprise you that he can close on a ball like that. With an offseason I would expect his throws to get a bit stronger.

STRENGTHS
1. Confidence and experience - they go hand in hand. He has a lot of football under his belt at the college level. So he isn't mentally overwhelmed by all the detail of each play, and he isn't overwhelmed by the rush. Very cool to see imho.
2. Quick decisions - he reads even the complex NFL defenses quickly and makes the right throw. He could be a tad quicker, but heck, JG and Lance so far appear to be slow readers except in the most basic reads -- which I think really limits KS play calling. Miami, Tampa, and Seattle all changed up coverages significantly post-snap and it didn't seem to phase him. (He may have been exceptionally well coached up to expect the changes - Kudos to KS and Griese if so)
3. He is more mobile - quick - than expected. And quick can serve a QB better in the pocket than long run mobile. When he moves he stays with the play and seems to know where the routes will be coming to. Some QBs, once they start moving, they seem to almost have to re-read the defense to make a decision - a la JG running to the sideline before he finally throws a last ditch pass.

All of this seems to free up KS to call the type of complex route combinations he wants. Rather than seemingly throttling back the offense like seemed to happen with JG and Lance.

Just my 2 cents

Very well put!

Originally posted by Niners99:
49ers ownership has always been committed to winning, even if they were being irrational and dumb about it. The Texans don't give a flying F about winning. The owner isn't even familiar with football. Totally different situations. Most coaches get one shot, and if they fail the go back to coordinator somewhere. Look at Anthony Lynn on our staff. You better believe he's telling Demeco to choose his opportunity wisely.

From a homer perspective, sure, from an outside perspective, this organization was a burning dumpster fire. They canned Harbaugh, fired three head coaches in three years, the roster was a mess, the owner was seen as a hothead jackass, in no way, shape or form was this a great job for Shanahan, nor the best job opportunity that offseason.

Houston as far as the ownership goes is pretty hands off. They hire people for better or worse and let them do their thing. They fired Easterby who was the source of a lot of the discontent in the organization, they'll have the #1 pick in the draft, meaning Bryce Young is incoming, they have a whole lot of other picks coming from teams like Cleveland, there's some decent young players on the roster, its nowhere near as bad of an opportunity as you seem to believe.

Ryans also has ties to the organization, having been a player there for six years. If Young is as good as advertised than that job has the potential of a quick turnaround, especially in that division. You can slot him in as the QB while a lot of the other jobs are going to have question marks and insufficient ability to acquire a top QB such as Carolina and Indy.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Niners99:
49ers ownership has always been committed to winning, even if they were being irrational and dumb about it. The Texans don't give a flying F about winning. The owner isn't even familiar with football. Totally different situations. Most coaches get one shot, and if they fail the go back to coordinator somewhere. Look at Anthony Lynn on our staff. You better believe he's telling Demeco to choose his opportunity wisely.

From a homer perspective, sure, from an outside perspective, this organization was a burning dumpster fire. They canned Harbaugh, fired three head coaches in three years, the roster was a mess, the owner was seen as a hothead jackass, in no way, shape or form was this a great job for Shanahan, nor the best job opportunity that offseason.

Houston as far as the ownership goes is pretty hands off. They hire people for better or worse and let them do their thing. They fired Easterby who was the source of a lot of the discontent in the organization, they'll have the #1 pick in the draft, meaning Bryce Young is incoming, they have a whole lot of other picks coming from teams like Cleveland, there's some decent young players on the roster, its nowhere near as bad of an opportunity as you seem to believe.

Ryans also has ties to the organization, having been a player there for six years. If Young is as good as advertised than that job has the potential of a quick turnaround, especially in that division. You can slot him in as the QB while a lot of the other jobs are going to have question marks and insufficient ability to acquire a top QB such as Carolina and Indy.

...and the dumpster caught fire when Eddie got caught trying to buy his way into a gambling license and had to turn the team over to Dr. John York. Jed was later handed a toy with no instructions and it wasn't until he had thoroughly embarrassed himself that he finally wised up and turned things over to Shanahan and Lynch. (all well-known history)

Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:
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