QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
And Brock had half of those "rushing yards."

This is CMC the last handful
rush yds in each game

51
43
45
54

that's an MVP candidate RB, in a KS run game, putting up clown car rush totals per game
the run game has been broken, and it has a knock on effect on the rest of what we do

I may be in the minority but I honestly believe it's not just shanahan that has been figured out. Teams have figured out that if you force mcaffrey inside you the middle he's not nearly as effective as a runner.

It's shanahans fault for not recognizing it but it's not CMCs game. He's not derrick Henry who can just slam the hole and beat down the defensive line until they yield in the second half.

He's no where near as good up the middle so if you plug the sidelines basically we suck as long as you only use mcaffrey.

This is why mason should have like half his carries and slam and bruise it up the middle.

People want to blame the offensive line but it's mcaffreys running style does not wear down a defense or slow the pass rush. The oline is mediocre and mcaffrey makes them worse which makes Brock worse.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by dj43:
That play wasn't going to work even if he had completed the pass to Mitchell. It was supposed to be a running play and we had a lineman downfield which would have nullified the TD.

He was downfield because Brock waited too long to pull the trigger.

KS said it was a run play but the timing was off. Hence, BP tried to improvise instead of taking a sack and living for another play.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by TyCore:
I think when we get our run game back (TW) we won't be relying on dropping the ball over the middle ad nauseum and can use those plays once other threats have been established.

It feels like our playbook halves when the game gets close and we start going to the well too often with plays that have already worked.

Have we thrown a back shoulder since Jennings v Giants?

I concur to this. The first 5 games, all wins, the 49ers were dominant in the run game. Really strong.

Game 1 - 188 team yards rushing
Game 2 - 159 team yards rushing
Game 3 - 141 team yards rushing
Game 4 - 124 team yards rushing
Game 5 - 170 team yards rushing

Game 6 - 108 team yards rushing / respectable but less than their previous average
Of 157

Game 7 - 65 team yards rushing / almost 100 team yards below average

Game 8 - 113 team yards rushing/ respectable but well below the team average. I believe Trent being back in the lineup could help get the running game back. Problem is the depth.

BP will be fine. He has the skills to succeed here, hope Kyle has a better game plan for week 10. He has to get this offense clicking again and keep defenses guessing. The first 5 games were so amazing. It seems like he needs to elevate his play calling and get the players in position to succeed. That and BP needs to forget what happened in the 3 losses and bounce back.

Gonna be a tough game v the Jags. ETN is a beast and Lawrence is looking better. The 49ers don't have that "unbeatable" stigma anymore. It is GONE. Opponents now know the 49ers can be beat and that confidence goes a LONG way.

Let's get back on track

The only reason 113 team rushing yards in week 8 seems respectable is because Purdy had, what, 60 rushing yards?

Our running backs averaged 3.3 yards per carry. That did not and will not get the job done.

That, plus the game 6 total was down because TW was playing on one leg. To make matters worse, McKivitz has been a disappointment in run blocking all season.

A fully healthy Trent impacts every area of the offense. If Banks misses time after the bye, and TW can't go, the offense will have big trouble.

Im not sure how anyone can see Mckivits as a disappointment. He's playing exactly to his draft status or more. We just didn't put an emphasis on the OL outside of Trent and Banks.

Our center is probably our best healthy lineman but I've never thought he's worth a long term deal. Playing well so far but he's rough sometimes.

He is what we thought he was - a somewhat better pass protector than McGlinchey. We hoped he would be a better RBLK than he has shown to date, but he is rated 20 points than McGlinchey. To me, the RBLK is a disappointment. Let's hope for improvement in the second half of the season.

Combine that with the fact Burford has shown little improvement from last year and your point about a failure to emphasize the OL stands out.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying. We hoped he could be at least competent as a run blocker, I did too. But realistically there was no evidence to suggest that to be the case.

I think Kyle and John need to revaluate their scouting process with offensive linemen.

For example, if we drafted or signed a RT who's an elite run blocker but worse than Mckivitz as a pass blocker, I think we'd be better off.

I don't mind going cheap on the OL if we're using those resources elsewhere, but this team has to have elite run blockers to unlock the offense and we're still struggling on to get pressure even though most of our cap is allocated to the DL. That can't happen.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by dj43:
That play wasn't going to work even if he had completed the pass to Mitchell. It was supposed to be a running play and we had a lineman downfield which would have nullified the TD.

He was downfield because Brock waited too long to pull the trigger.

KS said it was a run play but the timing was off. Hence, BP tried to improvise instead of taking a sack and living for another play.

yessir DJ, the old don't turn a mistake, into a disaster
once the handoff is missed, the mistake has been made, just shut it down

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
And Brock had half of those "rushing yards."

This is CMC the last handful
rush yds in each game

51
43
45
54

that's an MVP candidate RB, in a KS run game, putting up clown car rush totals per game
the run game has been broken, and it has a knock on effect on the rest of what we do

I may be in the minority but I honestly believe it's not just shanahan that has been figured out. Teams have figured out that if you force mcaffrey inside you the middle he's not nearly as effective as a runner.

It's shanahans fault for not recognizing it but it's not CMCs game. He's not derrick Henry who can just slam the hole and beat down the defensive line until they yield in the second half.

He's no where near as good up the middle so if you plug the sidelines basically we suck as long as you only use mcaffrey.

This is why mason should have like half his carries and slam and bruise it up the middle.

People want to blame the offensive line but it's mcaffreys running style does not wear down a defense or slow the pass rush. The oline is mediocre and mcaffrey makes them worse which makes Brock worse.

That may be a part of it, however, teams have been using 5 DL to take away the outside game while controlling the middle. With our relatively weak IOL it doesn't matter much who is running it if the holes are not there.

To make matters worse, without the threat of Deebo, both in the running game and the passing game, it restricts the offense a lot.

Healthy teams win. Injured teams lose.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by TyCore:
I think when we get our run game back (TW) we won't be relying on dropping the ball over the middle ad nauseum and can use those plays once other threats have been established.

It feels like our playbook halves when the game gets close and we start going to the well too often with plays that have already worked.

Have we thrown a back shoulder since Jennings v Giants?

I concur to this. The first 5 games, all wins, the 49ers were dominant in the run game. Really strong.

Game 1 - 188 team yards rushing
Game 2 - 159 team yards rushing
Game 3 - 141 team yards rushing
Game 4 - 124 team yards rushing
Game 5 - 170 team yards rushing

Game 6 - 108 team yards rushing / respectable but less than their previous average
Of 157

Game 7 - 65 team yards rushing / almost 100 team yards below average

Game 8 - 113 team yards rushing/ respectable but well below the team average. I believe Trent being back in the lineup could help get the running game back. Problem is the depth.

BP will be fine. He has the skills to succeed here, hope Kyle has a better game plan for week 10. He has to get this offense clicking again and keep defenses guessing. The first 5 games were so amazing. It seems like he needs to elevate his play calling and get the players in position to succeed. That and BP needs to forget what happened in the 3 losses and bounce back.

Gonna be a tough game v the Jags. ETN is a beast and Lawrence is looking better. The 49ers don't have that "unbeatable" stigma anymore. It is GONE. Opponents now know the 49ers can be beat and that confidence goes a LONG way.

Let's get back on track

The only reason 113 team rushing yards in week 8 seems respectable is because Purdy had, what, 60 rushing yards?

Our running backs averaged 3.3 yards per carry. That did not and will not get the job done.

That, plus the game 6 total was down because TW was playing on one leg. To make matters worse, McKivitz has been a disappointment in run blocking all season.

A fully healthy Trent impacts every area of the offense. If Banks misses time after the bye, and TW can't go, the offense will have big trouble.

Im not sure how anyone can see Mckivits as a disappointment. He's playing exactly to his draft status or more. We just didn't put an emphasis on the OL outside of Trent and Banks.

Our center is probably our best healthy lineman but I've never thought he's worth a long term deal. Playing well so far but he's rough sometimes.

He is what we thought he was - a somewhat better pass protector than McGlinchey. We hoped he would be a better RBLK than he has shown to date, but he is rated 20 points than McGlinchey. To me, the RBLK is a disappointment. Let's hope for improvement in the second half of the season.

Combine that with the fact Burford has shown little improvement from last year and your point about a failure to emphasize the OL stands out.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying. We hoped he could be at least competent as a run blocker, I did too. But realistically there was no evidence to suggest that to be the case.

I think Kyle and John need to revaluate their scouting process with offensive linemen.

For example, if we drafted or signed a RT who's an elite run blocker but worse than Mckivitz as a pass blocker, I think we'd be better off.

I don't mind going cheap on the OL if we're using those resources elsewhere, but this team has to have elite run blockers to unlock the offense and we're still struggling on to get pressure even though most of our cap is allocated to the DL. That can't happen.

Agree.

I just did a quick check on the top 27 OTs according to PFF. Only 5 were drafted below round 2.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by TyCore:
I think when we get our run game back (TW) we won't be relying on dropping the ball over the middle ad nauseum and can use those plays once other threats have been established.

It feels like our playbook halves when the game gets close and we start going to the well too often with plays that have already worked.

Have we thrown a back shoulder since Jennings v Giants?

I concur to this. The first 5 games, all wins, the 49ers were dominant in the run game. Really strong.

Game 1 - 188 team yards rushing
Game 2 - 159 team yards rushing
Game 3 - 141 team yards rushing
Game 4 - 124 team yards rushing
Game 5 - 170 team yards rushing

Game 6 - 108 team yards rushing / respectable but less than their previous average
Of 157

Game 7 - 65 team yards rushing / almost 100 team yards below average

Game 8 - 113 team yards rushing/ respectable but well below the team average. I believe Trent being back in the lineup could help get the running game back. Problem is the depth.

BP will be fine. He has the skills to succeed here, hope Kyle has a better game plan for week 10. He has to get this offense clicking again and keep defenses guessing. The first 5 games were so amazing. It seems like he needs to elevate his play calling and get the players in position to succeed. That and BP needs to forget what happened in the 3 losses and bounce back.

Gonna be a tough game v the Jags. ETN is a beast and Lawrence is looking better. The 49ers don't have that "unbeatable" stigma anymore. It is GONE. Opponents now know the 49ers can be beat and that confidence goes a LONG way.

Let's get back on track

The only reason 113 team rushing yards in week 8 seems respectable is because Purdy had, what, 60 rushing yards?

Our running backs averaged 3.3 yards per carry. That did not and will not get the job done.

That, plus the game 6 total was down because TW was playing on one leg. To make matters worse, McKivitz has been a disappointment in run blocking all season.

A fully healthy Trent impacts every area of the offense. If Banks misses time after the bye, and TW can't go, the offense will have big trouble.

Im not sure how anyone can see Mckivits as a disappointment. He's playing exactly to his draft status or more. We just didn't put an emphasis on the OL outside of Trent and Banks.

Our center is probably our best healthy lineman but I've never thought he's worth a long term deal. Playing well so far but he's rough sometimes.

He is what we thought he was - a somewhat better pass protector than McGlinchey. We hoped he would be a better RBLK than he has shown to date, but he is rated 20 points than McGlinchey. To me, the RBLK is a disappointment. Let's hope for improvement in the second half of the season.

Combine that with the fact Burford has shown little improvement from last year and your point about a failure to emphasize the OL stands out.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying. We hoped he could be at least competent as a run blocker, I did too. But realistically there was no evidence to suggest that to be the case.

I think Kyle and John need to revaluate their scouting process with offensive linemen.

For example, if we drafted or signed a RT who's an elite run blocker but worse than Mckivitz as a pass blocker, I think we'd be better off.

I don't mind going cheap on the OL if we're using those resources elsewhere, but this team has to have elite run blockers to unlock the offense and we're still struggling on to get pressure even though most of our cap is allocated to the DL. That can't happen.

Agree.

I just did a quick check on the top 27 OTs according to PFF. Only 5 were drafted below round 2.

The least likely to bust position to draft is offensive lineman. It's better than 50/50 first round picks stick in the league.

I would just draft linemen every year early and trade and use flyers on every other position. If your hitting on them consistently with their high salaries would be easy to build a team around...

Purdy wishes he had better linemen... Honestly with how things have gone with the running game as of late he may need to take off and run more to keep us in games. I counter to his instinct as a passer but it may help us win more given our current running game.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by dj43:
That play wasn't going to work even if he had completed the pass to Mitchell. It was supposed to be a running play and we had a lineman downfield which would have nullified the TD.

He was downfield because Brock waited too long to pull the trigger.

If Brock had a stronger arm this would of been a TD
Noodle arm Brock strikes again

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I notice the TOs are coming late,
cause and effect, we aren't running well, we are getting into late game trailing situations, and there are your turnovers,

Because of bad decision making. Mitchell was still open for a TD even though they were trailing. QB has to execute and make better decisions.

This. gotta be able to pull it out and win all styles of games. the opportunities were there and he just dropped the ball. hopefully next time he doesn't

That play wasn't going to work even if he had completed the pass to Mitchell. It was supposed to be a running play and we had a lineman downfield which would have nullified the TD.

exactly, now was it a bad decision, you bet
my philosophy is when the QB feels the weight of having to carry the game, be the hero, that's when you see mistakes
seen it in back to back weeks now
BP is a game manager, I don't mean that in a bad way, heck TB12 managed a lot of games, he took what was there for the taking relentlessly, if that meant check it down to the back all drive, he would do it

I question if we want to drop back BP every play like KC does Mahomes or BUF does Allen, just not our style and how we do it here in SF, need that run game
course when you are down late, you have few options

"My philosophy"

You are too much.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I notice the TOs are coming late,
cause and effect, we aren't running well, we are getting into late game trailing situations, and there are your turnovers,

Because of bad decision making. Mitchell was still open for a TD even though they were trailing. QB has to execute and make better decisions.

This. gotta be able to pull it out and win all styles of games. the opportunities were there and he just dropped the ball. hopefully next time he doesn't

That play wasn't going to work even if he had completed the pass to Mitchell. It was supposed to be a running play and we had a lineman downfield which would have nullified the TD.

exactly, now was it a bad decision, you bet
my philosophy is when the QB feels the weight of having to carry the game, be the hero, that's when you see mistakes
seen it in back to back weeks now
BP is a game manager, I don't mean that in a bad way, heck TB12 managed a lot of games, he took what was there for the taking relentlessly, if that meant check it down to the back all drive, he would do it

I question if we want to drop back BP every play like KC does Mahomes or BUF does Allen, just not our style and how we do it here in SF, need that run game
course when you are down late, you have few options

"My philosophy"

You are too much.

A one touchdown deficit is just too much for a qb.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by dj43:
That play wasn't going to work even if he had completed the pass to Mitchell. It was supposed to be a running play and we had a lineman downfield which would have nullified the TD.

He was downfield because Brock waited too long to pull the trigger.

If Brock had a stronger arm this would of been a TD
Noodle arm Brock strikes again

What on earth are you and 4eva talking about?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
What on earth are you and 4eva talking about?

Im talking about the pick and the o lineman being downfield. He got there because Brock waited too long. No idea what he's talking about.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I notice the TOs are coming late,
cause and effect, we aren't running well, we are getting into late game trailing situations, and there are your turnovers,

Because of bad decision making. Mitchell was still open for a TD even though they were trailing. QB has to execute and make better decisions.

This. gotta be able to pull it out and win all styles of games. the opportunities were there and he just dropped the ball. hopefully next time he doesn't

That play wasn't going to work even if he had completed the pass to Mitchell. It was supposed to be a running play and we had a lineman downfield which would have nullified the TD.

exactly, now was it a bad decision, you bet
my philosophy is when the QB feels the weight of having to carry the game, be the hero, that's when you see mistakes
seen it in back to back weeks now
BP is a game manager, I don't mean that in a bad way, heck TB12 managed a lot of games, he took what was there for the taking relentlessly, if that meant check it down to the back all drive, he would do it

I question if we want to drop back BP every play like KC does Mahomes or BUF does Allen, just not our style and how we do it here in SF, need that run game
course when you are down late, you have few options

"My philosophy"

You are too much.

A one touchdown deficit is just too much for a qb.

No QB needs to play hero ball down 1 score with almost a quarter left to play. He made a claim in the Darnold thread that his picks were because he was down late in games a lot (Darnold has thrown 4% more of his total picks in the 4th quarter than Tom Brady's percentage). Now he is doubling down on this and calling it "his philosophy."

QBs who are down multiple scores late in games tend to have to play hero ball. That doesnt apply when you are down 1 score with a quarter left to go.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I notice the TOs are coming late,
cause and effect, we aren't running well, we are getting into late game trailing situations, and there are your turnovers,

Because of bad decision making. Mitchell was still open for a TD even though they were trailing. QB has to execute and make better decisions.

This. gotta be able to pull it out and win all styles of games. the opportunities were there and he just dropped the ball. hopefully next time he doesn't

That play wasn't going to work even if he had completed the pass to Mitchell. It was supposed to be a running play and we had a lineman downfield which would have nullified the TD.

exactly, now was it a bad decision, you bet
my philosophy is when the QB feels the weight of having to carry the game, be the hero, that's when you see mistakes
seen it in back to back weeks now
BP is a game manager, I don't mean that in a bad way, heck TB12 managed a lot of games, he took what was there for the taking relentlessly, if that meant check it down to the back all drive, he would do it

I question if we want to drop back BP every play like KC does Mahomes or BUF does Allen, just not our style and how we do it here in SF, need that run game
course when you are down late, you have few options

"My philosophy"

You are too much.

yet another post not about anything football related, just a criticism, let's see you share some football opinions, and we can tell you where you are wrong
let's reverse roles here

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
What on earth are you and 4eva talking about?

Im talking about the pick and the o lineman being downfield. He got there because Brock waited too long. No idea what he's talking about.

Once the handoff was missed, the lineman moved downfield though. So it wasnt because he waited too long. They were downfield long before the time he threw it, and long before he should have thrown it.