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Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by tankle104:

Those overthrows, JTO glosses over the pressures generated from those Ram DLinemen . Brock has to move from his launch point just before he throws those on some of those overthrown passes. It just goes to show how the OLine performance really is directly linked to the QB's performance in many cases.

Meh it's not like he didn't have pressure on those shorter throw. You're not getting a pristine pocket on those long balls most times. Still you're a NFL QB and you should be hitting those types of throws. Ton of good stuff in this video.

I think both of you are right. It's part of what makes deep throws such low percentage throws. If you look at the GIFs going around about "deep throws" - those pockets are incredible. So the pocket is extremely important, but to NYs point - you typically won't have a great pocket on those kind of throws (especially against an Aaron Donald line).

Brock still needs to hit them but viewers should understand why they were more difficult.

i think it's part of his learning curve, even though he practices them in practice - it's different when the bullets are flying and he has to just get a better feel for it. He needs to hit those later in the season/playoffs. Right now isn't a big deal. Especially since we won. They left a lot of points on the table though.

just goes to show you the potential of this offense

I heard on a pod that deep shots (20+) are only completed at 30% across the league. I didn't realize it was that low. These QB's suck. LOL

Yup, so technically - If Brock hit one out of three, he would of done above league average. Lol

Exactly.
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Missing the occasional deep shot is going to happen, even though they were pretty wide open by NFL standards. The problem with the misses is that it lead to us going just 2-9 on third down, which is not good.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Missing the occasional deep shot is going to happen, even though they were pretty wide open by NFL standards. The problem with the misses is that it lead to us going just 2-9 on third down, which is not good.

Hitting deep throws on 3rd down is cool and all but idk if I really like it. It's the money down with a low probability play. I get that it can be huge and sometimes you take what the defense gives you, but I'd almost rather take a higher percentage play on third down unless it's egregious.
He missed well on his deep misses, they were all long and no chance for an INT

now, if we still had that particular 4th string backup QB on our roster someone would find some stupid stat for this LOL
[ Edited by riverrunzthruit on Sep 21, 2023 at 12:23 PM ]
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
He missed well on his deep misses, they were all long and no chance for an INT

now, if we still had that particular 4th string backup QB on our roster someone would find some stupid stat for this LOL

The only part about the misses that kinda bothered me is that they didn't give the WR a chance at all to make a play on it. He missed the angles of their routes pretty bad. Like I said, I'm not concerned about it - you just like to see your skill player get a chance to make a play on the ball.
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by tankle104:

Those overthrows, JTO glosses over the pressures generated from those Ram DLinemen . Brock has to move from his launch point just before he throws those on some of those overthrown passes. It just goes to show how the OLine performance really is directly linked to the QB's performance in many cases.

Meh it's not like he didn't have pressure on those shorter throw. You're not getting a pristine pocket on those long balls most times. Still you're a NFL QB and you should be hitting those types of throws. Ton of good stuff in this video.

Its a good QB video, but I don't think he does the same on the OLine, for obvious reasons - he's focusing on QB play. Long ball offenses, as I said on other occasions, need an elite running attack to have consistency, because even if you are Dan Fouts or Steve Bartawski, Elway, Marino, etc... those long balls (even with a clean pocket) have low completion percentages on average. Weather, rain, wind, atmosphere level, are elements that contirbutes to inaccuracies, as an example.
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Shorter passes are easier to complete than longer passes, and you can have a greater margin of error and *still complete* those shorter passes. Longer passes don't have that same margin of error.

Those quick timing routes need to be on the money. He seems much more confident there and you can see it in his footwork.

Those deeper passes don't have to be perfect to be completions. Like JTO said they're all long foul balls that come out flat, the footwork isn't as good. He needs to develop in that area to take the next step.

Short passes are *easier* to complete than long passes. The accuracy for the short passing game is important for the YAC, but not so much for the completion itself. As for the long passes, *usually* there is a defender contesting those long balls. They are definitely not equivalent to foul balls in baseball where there is no defender preventing the catch. So accuracy is very important for those long passes.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by tankle104:

Those overthrows, JTO glosses over the pressures generated from those Ram DLinemen . Brock has to move from his launch point just before he throws those on some of those overthrown passes. It just goes to show how the OLine performance really is directly linked to the QB's performance in many cases.

Meh it's not like he didn't have pressure on those shorter throw. You're not getting a pristine pocket on those long balls most times. Still you're a NFL QB and you should be hitting those types of throws. Ton of good stuff in this video.

I think both of you are right. It's part of what makes deep throws such low percentage throws. If you look at the GIFs going around about "deep throws" - those pockets are incredible. So the pocket is extremely important, but to NYs point - you typically won't have a great pocket on those kind of throws (especially against an Aaron Donald line).

Brock still needs to hit them but viewers should understand why they were more difficult.

i think it's part of his learning curve, even though he practices them in practice - it's different when the bullets are flying and he has to just get a better feel for it. He needs to hit those later in the season/playoffs. Right now isn't a big deal. Especially since we won. They left a lot of points on the table though.

just goes to show you the potential of this offense

I heard on a pod that deep shots (20+) are only completed at 30% across the league. I didn't realize it was that low. These QB's suck. LOL

Thats why you need an elite running attack to operate those air Coryell type offenses.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Shorter passes are easier to complete than longer passes, and you can have a greater margin of error and *still complete* those shorter passes. Longer passes don't have that same margin of error.

Those quick timing routes need to be on the money. He seems much more confident there and you can see it in his footwork.

Those deeper passes don't have to be perfect to be completions. Like JTO said they're all long foul balls that come out flat, the footwork isn't as good. He needs to develop in that area to take the next step.

Short passes are *easier* to complete than long passes. The accuracy for the short passing game is important for the YAC, but not so much for the completion itself. As for the long passes, *usually* there is a defender contesting those long balls. They are definitely not equivalent to foul balls in baseball where there is no defender preventing the catch. So accuracy is very important for those long passes.

Tell that to Trey Lance
Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
Tell that to Trey Lance

He completed them he just didn't have the timing down
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by tankle104:

Those overthrows, JTO glosses over the pressures generated from those Ram DLinemen . Brock has to move from his launch point just before he throws those on some of those overthrown passes. It just goes to show how the OLine performance really is directly linked to the QB's performance in many cases.

Meh it's not like he didn't have pressure on those shorter throw. You're not getting a pristine pocket on those long balls most times. Still you're a NFL QB and you should be hitting those types of throws. Ton of good stuff in this video.

I think both of you are right. It's part of what makes deep throws such low percentage throws. If you look at the GIFs going around about "deep throws" - those pockets are incredible. So the pocket is extremely important, but to NYs point - you typically won't have a great pocket on those kind of throws (especially against an Aaron Donald line).

Brock still needs to hit them but viewers should understand why they were more difficult.

i think it's part of his learning curve, even though he practices them in practice - it's different when the bullets are flying and he has to just get a better feel for it. He needs to hit those later in the season/playoffs. Right now isn't a big deal. Especially since we won. They left a lot of points on the table though.

just goes to show you the potential of this offense

I heard on a pod that deep shots (20+) are only completed at 30% across the league. I didn't realize it was that low. These QB's suck. LOL

That is most likely an average. Matt Ryan, Tua and Darnold were all 50+% last season.

https://www.nfl.com/news/next-gen-stats-top-10-nfl-deep-passers-of-2022-geno-smith-tua-tagovailoa-excel-a
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by tankle104:

Those overthrows, JTO glosses over the pressures generated from those Ram DLinemen . Brock has to move from his launch point just before he throws those on some of those overthrown passes. It just goes to show how the OLine performance really is directly linked to the QB's performance in many cases.

Meh it's not like he didn't have pressure on those shorter throw. You're not getting a pristine pocket on those long balls most times. Still you're a NFL QB and you should be hitting those types of throws. Ton of good stuff in this video.

I think both of you are right. It's part of what makes deep throws such low percentage throws. If you look at the GIFs going around about "deep throws" - those pockets are incredible. So the pocket is extremely important, but to NYs point - you typically won't have a great pocket on those kind of throws (especially against an Aaron Donald line).

Brock still needs to hit them but viewers should understand why they were more difficult.

i think it's part of his learning curve, even though he practices them in practice - it's different when the bullets are flying and he has to just get a better feel for it. He needs to hit those later in the season/playoffs. Right now isn't a big deal. Especially since we won. They left a lot of points on the table though.

just goes to show you the potential of this offense

I heard on a pod that deep shots (20+) are only completed at 30% across the league. I didn't realize it was that low. These QB's suck. LOL

Thats why you need an elite running attack to operate those air Coryell type offenses.

Speaking of elite running backs, I'm super nervous the cowboys are going to make a trade for the colts RB that's on the trade block 0.0 that would be worrisome
Originally posted by tankle104:
Speaking of elite running backs, I'm super nervous the cowboys are going to make a trade for the colts RB that's on the trade block 0.0 that would be worrisome

They have a good starter and a seemingly good backup as well. Taylor is a good player obviously but I don't think that trade would move the needle considerably.
I agree with many that missing these deep throws is no big deal but our standards and Shanahan's standards are not the same. According to Shannon Sharpe, he and his dad are very impatient men. They'll move onto the next QB quickly if a QB doesn't meet their standards.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Speaking of elite running backs, I'm super nervous the cowboys are going to make a trade for the colts RB that's on the trade block 0.0 that would be worrisome

eff the cowboys
they are worried, about us
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