QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

The Madden generation is obsessed with the long ball. LOL

The old fart generation are obsessed with 3 yard check downs.

also in what world is that a beautiful throw lol? Man people are trying way to hard. He was late and underthrew it. My god if Lance threw that the narrative would have been completely different…plenty of good throws from Brock on Sunday, people trying to hard with this one.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
LOL at still bringing up Lance out of nowhere.
He was a bust.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
The Madden generation is obsessed with the long ball. LOL

The old fart generation are obsessed with 3 yard check downs.

also in what world is that a beautiful throw lol? Man people are trying way to hard. He was late and underthrew it. My god if Lance threw that the narrative would have been completely different…plenty of good throws from Brock on Sunday, people trying to hard with this one.

That's 3 yards and a cloud of dust, to you! Ha

Originally posted by Miranda:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
LOL at still bringing up Lance out of nowhere.
He was a bust.

Did Lance ever throw deep balls?

Originally posted by krizay:
He had a broken finger 5 years ago that just now healed properly. He just need more reps on the long ball. He's only 23.

Originally posted by Miranda:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
LOL at still bringing up Lance out of nowhere.
He was a bust.

Did Lance ever throw deep balls?

Originally posted by Montana:
We still tawkin about deep balls? idgaf if the guy makes deep balls..a dub is all I care about. He's amazing and will continue to get better. I think cause he is BCB..ppl gotta be obsessed with his balls. Lol

Originally posted by Miranda:
Did Lance ever throw deep balls?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Also, I'm warning you NC. You are dangerously close to making me follow through on my threat to post Brony memes and unironic Twilight content. I said in the Kyle thread if one more person tries to blame Jimmy not throwing to open deep guys on "Kyle's system" I'm gonna do it. Because Kyle has REPEATEDLY said—including after the Rams game—that he wants his QBs taking those open deep shots.

You've been warned...

Personally, I just don't think the long ball is a point of emphasis on this offense. Yes, Purdy does need to take the long ball shots, if its' there. But just taking it and missing - still has some benefits, and still will scare some DC's into loosening their pass coverages. *IF* the long ball was something Kyle wanted to make as a featured part of his game, he'd want more Tyreek Hill type WR's and less Deebo, Aiyuk, and Jauan type of Wr's. I just don't think those misses will significantly affect Kyle's passing offense to where it will be shut down. Having said that, we'll see in the NY Giants game if Purdy is still having problems with the Long Ball. NY Giants, as I understand it, haven't had a defensive sack this season yet. (somebody correct me if I'm wrong) But if I"m right, the NY Giants game would be the time to throw the long ball and get Purdy's deep ball calibrated correctly.

One of the differences between Brock and Jimmy is that Brock DOES take those shots. And I hate to say this yet again, but in 2018 when CJ Beathard went in, immediately there were more shots down the field. He took more shots with Trey in as well. But that isn't even the point. Kyle has said REPEATEDLY that when the shots are there he wants his guys taking them. There is no "Don't throw it to the open man down the field because you have to throw it to the short guy I schemed open for you" nonsense in this offense. When the play is there, he wants his guys making it, and he wants them being fearless and taking shots when they are there. He's said this numerous times.

Disagree, the long ball is simply *NOT* a point of emphasis in Kyle's offense. YAC is. I understand what you are saying, in that Kyle does not *discourage* long ball throws if it's there. NC is simply saying it's not practiced much in this offense whereas the YAC passes are. Hence, when it IS there, because it's not extensively practiced, it's more miss than hit - in Brock's case. That is one explanation of Brock's Rams misfires. I happen to share that option also. But also, every QB has a bad day. Brock's not a robot, he's human. So he's not perfect. Only one guy was - that was 2,000 or so years ago when he walked the earth.

If there's one statistic that the Niners offense is known for above anything else, it's YAC: Yards After the Catch. The way that Shanahan generates the YAC is by designing his plays to target the middle of the field, allowing his receivers to catch the ball with plenty of momentum and a lot of real estate around them so they can carry on for another chunk of yards before being tackled.
https://www.bruinsportsanalytics.com/post/kyleshanahan

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At least someone in here, maybe NC, has repeatedly claimed that Kyle does not want his QB taking shots down the field when they are open. Or rather, that Kyle tells the QB he always has to throw the ball to a particular spot. That's totally false. Kyle wants his QB to throw the ball to the open guy.

And if you want to point to a place on the field where the offense is designed to attack, it's the intermediate areas. The deep ins. All the horizontal passing and stretch running is designed to open that area up so we can go for the kill. And those plays almost always include a clearing route over the top, which Kyle WANTS our guys to throw if it's open—although usually it's the deep in.

YAC is valuable whether you're taking shots or not, and why in the world did we draft Danny Gray and bring in Goodwin in 2017 if we just want a bunch of possession WRs? Why Dante Pettis with his 4.32 40 time?

Regardless, this isn't the WCO. This is an offense whose primary purpose is to attack 12-20 yards down the field in between the hashes, with a run game and horizontal passing game designed to spread out the defense so that those deep ins and posts can be completed successfully.

My point is more of a coaching point. Kyle's already stated he doesn't see the big deal with deep shots when you can achieve the same results more safely. Hence why he sets up just 2 or 3 deeper shots a game in his game plan and everybody practices and knows these. Hence why he's run centric. Hence why a large portion of his passes are behind or at the LOS...extensions of the run game.

I think he'd love if every high receiver was hit perfectly and it became a high % play but he also gets being smarter, more controlled and not turning the ball over.

I said with time, don't be surprised if you see less and less deep aggression from Brock and more success with the ones Kyle does dial up.

PS: If you need evidence of this, Kittle has already talked about how Kyle uses decoy runs and routes to set up these shot plays. This is why you see Kyle lose his mind like yesterday when they are missed. Kyle runs this b***h which is why this is still a 170 yards rushing and 220 yards passing team. No matter the QB. QB just has to be as efficient as possible. And Brock is.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Has anyone talked about the one play where Brock got DESTROYED???

Even shook his head like "that was a good one"..

I knew he could take a hit because of his stature.... but still, impressive.

Edit- and yes I know about the college one.

Edit #2- found it.

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Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Miranda:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
LOL at still bringing up Lance out of nowhere.
He was a bust.

Did Lance ever throw deep balls?

I think once in the pre season. But if I'm not mistaken, a "deep ball" is technically 20 or more yards, right? I think he had one or so, I believe to deebo against the Texans, is that right? Other than that, I don't think he ever did. For some reason he was crowned as this man with an excellent deep throw ability, and maybe he does, but I don't really remember seeing him hit many. He didn't play much, so maybe he didn't get to it.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Also, I'm warning you NC. You are dangerously close to making me follow through on my threat to post Brony memes and unironic Twilight content. I said in the Kyle thread if one more person tries to blame Jimmy not throwing to open deep guys on "Kyle's system" I'm gonna do it. Because Kyle has REPEATEDLY said—including after the Rams game—that he wants his QBs taking those open deep shots.

You've been warned...

Personally, I just don't think the long ball is a point of emphasis on this offense. Yes, Purdy does need to take the long ball shots, if its' there. But just taking it and missing - still has some benefits, and still will scare some DC's into loosening their pass coverages. *IF* the long ball was something Kyle wanted to make as a featured part of his game, he'd want more Tyreek Hill type WR's and less Deebo, Aiyuk, and Jauan type of Wr's. I just don't think those misses will significantly affect Kyle's passing offense to where it will be shut down. Having said that, we'll see in the NY Giants game if Purdy is still having problems with the Long Ball. NY Giants, as I understand it, haven't had a defensive sack this season yet. (somebody correct me if I'm wrong) But if I"m right, the NY Giants game would be the time to throw the long ball and get Purdy's deep ball calibrated correctly.

One of the differences between Brock and Jimmy is that Brock DOES take those shots. And I hate to say this yet again, but in 2018 when CJ Beathard went in, immediately there were more shots down the field. He took more shots with Trey in as well. But that isn't even the point. Kyle has said REPEATEDLY that when the shots are there he wants his guys taking them. There is no "Don't throw it to the open man down the field because you have to throw it to the short guy I schemed open for you" nonsense in this offense. When the play is there, he wants his guys making it, and he wants them being fearless and taking shots when they are there. He's said this numerous times.

Disagree, the long ball is simply *NOT* a point of emphasis in Kyle's offense. YAC is. I understand what you are saying, in that Kyle does not *discourage* long ball throws if it's there. NC is simply saying it's not practiced much in this offense whereas the YAC passes are. Hence, when it IS there, because it's not extensively practiced, it's more miss than hit - in Brock's case. That is one explanation of Brock's Rams misfires. I happen to share that option also. But also, every QB has a bad day. Brock's not a robot, he's human. So he's not perfect. Only one guy was - that was 2,000 or so years ago when he walked the earth.

If there's one statistic that the Niners offense is known for above anything else, it's YAC: Yards After the Catch. The way that Shanahan generates the YAC is by designing his plays to target the middle of the field, allowing his receivers to catch the ball with plenty of momentum and a lot of real estate around them so they can carry on for another chunk of yards before being tackled.
https://www.bruinsportsanalytics.com/post/kyleshanahan

.

At least someone in here, maybe NC, has repeatedly claimed that Kyle does not want his QB taking shots down the field when they are open. Or rather, that Kyle tells the QB he always has to throw the ball to a particular spot. That's totally false. Kyle wants his QB to throw the ball to the open guy.

And if you want to point to a place on the field where the offense is designed to attack, it's the intermediate areas. The deep ins. All the horizontal passing and stretch running is designed to open that area up so we can go for the kill. And those plays almost always include a clearing route over the top, which Kyle WANTS our guys to throw if it's open—although usually it's the deep in.

YAC is valuable whether you're taking shots or not, and why in the world did we draft Danny Gray and bring in Goodwin in 2017 if we just want a bunch of possession WRs? Why Dante Pettis with his 4.32 40 time?

Regardless, this isn't the WCO. This is an offense whose primary purpose is to attack 12-20 yards down the field in between the hashes, with a run game and horizontal passing game designed to spread out the defense so that those deep ins and posts can be completed successfully.

My point is more of a coaching point. Kyle's already stated he doesn't see the big deal with deep shots when you can achieve the same results more safely. Hence why he sets up just 2 or 3 deeper shots a game in his game plan and everybody practices and knows these. Hence why he's run centric. Hence why a large portion of his passes are behind or at the LOS...extensions of the run game.

I think he'd love if every high receiver was hit perfectly and it became a high % play but he also gets being smarter, more controlled and not turning the ball over.

I said with time, don't be surprised if you see less and less deep aggression from Brock and more success with the ones Kyle does dial up.

PS: If you need evidence of this, Kittle has already talked about how Kyle uses decoy runs and routes to set up these shot plays. This is why you see Kyle lose his mind like yesterday when they are missed. Kyle runs this b***h which is why this is still a 170 yards rushing and 220 yards passing team. No matter the QB. QB just has to be as efficient as possible. And Brock is.

Where did he say that? Was it in the discussion where he said you'd like the QB to hit the open guy down the field but if he completes it short and it works, what are you gonna say to him?

And that wasn't "2 or 3" shots. Purdy MISSED three, but he HIT a streak off a leak to Jennings and IIRC at least two deep ins nearly 20 yards down field.

Originally posted by Miranda:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
LOL at still bringing up Lance out of nowhere.
He was a bust.

Did Lance ever throw deep balls?