QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by frenchmov:
2 of those never happened. The other 2 got us to the sb. Do you know how rare it is to have a QB who takes you to the sb?

They weren't franchise QB's though. They were each the guy for less than five years on this team. A franchise QB is around longer than that.

Was Jared Goff a franchise QB for the Rams just because he was around for five seasons and went to a Super Bowl? Franchise QB's don't get packaged with multiple 1sts to get traded for another QB.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
They weren't franchise QB's though. They were each the guy for less than five years on this team. A franchise QB is around longer than that.

Was Jared Goff a franchise QB for the Rams just because he was around for five seasons and went to a Super Bowl? Franchise QB's don't get packaged with multiple 1sts to get traded for another QB.

Yeah that's true. I think of jimmy could've stayed healthy he would have been. Not blaming him but it's the truth

Originally posted by Polkadots:
Whether or not this kid falls from grace, these last two weeks have been enjoyable.

At worst, Purdy seems like a guy that can have a long NFL career being a backup/spot starter ala Colt McCoy.

sometimes i think backups and 3rd stringers in the past like cody pickett and nate davis would've looked really good in kyle shanahan's offense.

i think brock purdy is kinda neat tho. hope he keeps this up!

Originally posted by picklejuice:
sometimes i think backups and 3rd stringers in the past like cody pickett and nate davis would've looked really good in kyle shanahan's offense.

i think brock purdy is kinda neat tho. hope he keeps this up!

Originally posted by picklejuice:
sometimes i think backups and 3rd stringers in the past like cody pickett and nate davis would've looked really good in kyle shanahan's offense.

i think brock purdy is kinda neat tho. hope he keeps this up!

Lol no, you're reaching they would've looked as bad or worse than Hoyer, Beathard and Mullens. No coach can work miracles with a s**t qb. Purdy shows with his poise, extending plays, that aura that has his team mates gravitate towards him that give people thought and hope. Just gotta see as the weeks go how he adjusts when more film comes out on him

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I expanded on the post you quoted.

So you think the QB to the receivers alert. Brendel sets the protections off that. Fair. I would probably safe guess that too. Pre snap. What about post snap? If the DC brings a MLB blitz, what about responsibilities? Is that where receivers and QB need to have that built in...where you hear Kittle say he and Jimmy weren't on the same page there? Meaning if pressured, he was supposed to break off, sit down, out, in, etc.? It sounds like JT was in an offense that had post snap pressure responsibilities for receivers too. All of them.

When did JT say it was on the receivers to read that post snap? I can see if it was an option route say for Kittle to sit if it is zone or continue toward the sideline if its man. But the play Purdy audibled into was to strictly beat man coverage and didn't have that option route built into it, obviously.

Because he said this. That's a pretty good indication he was expecting post snap pressure adjustments from these three.

"Nobody is looking hot...Kittle? No. Juszczyk? No. Aiyuk is not getting his head around..."

So what is to say that the QB can also call for the RB to stay in to pick up that blitzer? Is it automatic that a receiver looks hot after the snap no matter what? Does the QB call that out to the receivers letting them know not to look hot after the snap because now there is a 6 on 6 situation?

I think he's calling that out because that part of the play is post snap.

But to your point, if in fact it runs through our QB pre snap solely (no post snap adjustments here), if Brock didn't alert them, they wouldn't be breaking anything off and would be just focusing on winning there routes.

You have as many questions as I have. LOL.

Maybe just one receiver is hot in each design so it's his job to keep at eye on it whether the QB alerts or not pte snap and adjusts accordingly.

I am just coming up with questions to your contrary in order to get you to understand that JT doesn't have enough facts to speak in such absolutes about Kyle's scheme. It very well could have just been a young inexperienced QB making multiple mistakes on a single play and ultimately it was that same young inexperienced QB that paid for it physically on that play.

Neither do we hence, why it's important to discuss, explore and question. There was a time the WZ used to beam with that mentality. LOL.

As to JT, he can only go by his professional experience. Warner too. And they both align. So maybe it's the WZ residents missing something. It took nearly an hour just to get the WZ off the play call itself before we could even begin to talk about what he was originally trying to illustrate.

Good post NC. If your issue is there aren't enough hot reads in this offense, that's a very difficult claim to prove or disprove. Every offense has plays with hot reads, that's very basic. I don't think JTO, or anyone that hasn't been in Kyle's 49er offense, knows enough to comment on with confidence.

I remember Brandon Jacobs blasting Harbaugh's offense for not having sight adjustments, that's not normal. We may have to wait until a (ex)player gives us insight.

while not fullproof, watch the helmets of the skill players.

You can see the progression by watching the helmets turn towards the QB.

You can see the post catch blocking assignments by watching helmets too.

It is not 100% but most downs you can see 1 or 2 players turn their heads back @ when the QB would hit their 3rd step of the drop.

Throw that all out the window with BA, he fakes out his CB non-stop and never intends to stop for a catch. I don't recall a player that turned his head in and faked so many quick slants, only to break out wide open.

The creator of this video must be feeling real good right now because every single thing he highlighted has transpired in the NFL so far. One thing that has caught me off guard is Purdy's ability to improvise. I didn't expect that from him. I don't believe that's something that can be coached or learned. It's innate, and Purdy has it.

Originally posted by Heroism:
The creator of this video must be feeling real good right now because every single thing he highlighted has transpired in the NFL so far. One thing that has caught me off guard is Purdy's ability to improvise. I didn't expect that from him. I don't believe that's something that can be coached or learned. It's innate, and Purdy has it.

That's more or less who he was at Iowa State. The biggest plays would usually come from him pulling something our of his butt. Of course the biggest turnovers also usually came from him trying to pull something out of his butt.

My heart says that Purdy can keep this going and has stepped up to become a consistent NFL playmaker. My head says that eventually he'll regress to the mean.

Alternatively, his coaching may have been even worse than anyone expects and coming to the 49ers and getting quality QB coaching for the first time as well as playing in a creative scheme is unlocking the potential that has always been there.

With Tom Manning getting canned the season after Purdy and guys like Breece Hall and Charlie Kolar left, it look a lot like a case of superior talent that was carrying a subpar playcaller. If it was Manning that was holding him back then the 49ers might have legitimately gotten a bigger steal than they had any right to in the 7th round.

Originally posted by Heroism:
The creator of this video must be feeling real good right now because every single thing he highlighted has transpired in the NFL so far. One thing that has caught me off guard is Purdy's ability to improvise. I didn't expect that from him. I don't believe that's something that can be coached or learned. It's innate, and Purdy has it.

Improvisational skills are too underrated IMO, and not something that can be taught. Every time I see a QB that's doesn't have that skill set try improvising, it ends in disaster. I hear a lot about how Kyle wants things done in his offense, but I seemed like some of the best plays he made were not the way Kyle drew it up.

I keep hearing about how he doesn't have the strongest arm, but in these last 2 games he's been making the throws that I've been wishing Jimmy would make. Last week his 2 TD passes outside the numbers tied Jimmy's season total. I don't need him to launch 50 yard rockets every game, but in addition to forcing defenses to play us differently, he's a lot of fun to watch. Really need people smarter than me to explain why our offense was so much different with Purdy. Heard every explanation on Earth as to why Jimmy didn't take those shots. Those critical of JG say he has too weak an arm. Those who support hIm say he's running the offense the way Kyle wants it ran. So is JG's and Purdy's arm strength comparable? This isn't trying to put Jimmy down, just trying to understand.

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I don't know if Purdy is a long term answer. I suspect he may just be a solid, dependable backup which is great given how often QBs get hurt. If he has to play for exended periods he's shown he's at leat capable of winning against good competition.

One of Purdy's best traits is the gunslinger mentality. He realizes that he needs to take some chances to succeed because he doesn't have the physical gifts that some other have. If he throws an INT on that TD pass to CMC, I'm not upset because he at least took a shot. Jimmy hasn't consistently shown the willingness to attempt those throws whether he just doesn't see them or is afraid to pull the trigger. As long as he can hit some of those TD passes I'll overlook the occasional INT.

Why do you keep making things about Jimmy, reading your post in this thread and the Trey Lance thread seems you're pushing hard for Purdy vs Jimmy. When the simple fact is, Jimmy won't be around next season. What's really discouraging is Purdy vs Lance. Talk about two QB's that will be here next season and how we'll have a $4 million dollar back up QB who they spent three 1st round picks on.

I'm not making it about Jimmy. I'm just using him as a comparison since he's been the starter for the past 5 seasons. I'm pointing out the different style of play. I stated in my posts that I doubt Jimmy will be around next year and Purdy is better competition for Trey.

I'm not in the mood to repost what you say, but you just admitted that you did. You're not making it about Jimmy but using him as comparison. As much as you people say what Jimmy can't do and how injury prone he is you would think that spending three 1st round picks on a QB in Trey Lance he would've he could've and would've straight taken the job from him. Now there's Brock Purdy who no doubt has outplayed Trey Lance and now there should be competition and expect Trey Lance to learn off Purdy, my god, how long are they gonna hold Trey Lance's hand before he starts to get it.

Lance was drafted as a long term project. It seems everyone on the team and in the fan base knew that but you and a few others.

You don't trade that many picks for a "long term project" when you have a winning team. We could have stayed put and drafted Micah Parson. Imagine this defense with him opposite Bosa. The Trey pick was a mistake. Doesn't mean he's a "bust" yet, he needs time to develop. But Jimmy/Purdy + Parsons is better than Jimmy/Purdy/Trey and it's not close. We've all but missed Trey's rookie contract window and he's still far from being ready to lead this team to a Super Bowl.

Yes, as a matter of fact you do. Want to know why? Because of JIMMY GAROPPOLO. That is why you do that. When you have a QB as good as JIMMY GAROPPOLO, you have the luxury of having your cake and eating it too.

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I don't know if Purdy is a long term answer. I suspect he may just be a solid, dependable backup which is great given how often QBs get hurt. If he has to play for exended periods he's shown he's at leat capable of winning against good competition.

One of Purdy's best traits is the gunslinger mentality. He realizes that he needs to take some chances to succeed because he doesn't have the physical gifts that some other have. If he throws an INT on that TD pass to CMC, I'm not upset because he at least took a shot. Jimmy hasn't consistently shown the willingness to attempt those throws whether he just doesn't see them or is afraid to pull the trigger. As long as he can hit some of those TD passes I'll overlook the occasional INT.

Why do you keep making things about Jimmy, reading your post in this thread and the Trey Lance thread seems you're pushing hard for Purdy vs Jimmy. When the simple fact is, Jimmy won't be around next season. What's really discouraging is Purdy vs Lance. Talk about two QB's that will be here next season and how we'll have a $4 million dollar back up QB who they spent three 1st round picks on.

I'm not making it about Jimmy. I'm just using him as a comparison since he's been the starter for the past 5 seasons. I'm pointing out the different style of play. I stated in my posts that I doubt Jimmy will be around next year and Purdy is better competition for Trey.

I'm not in the mood to repost what you say, but you just admitted that you did. You're not making it about Jimmy but using him as comparison. As much as you people say what Jimmy can't do and how injury prone he is you would think that spending three 1st round picks on a QB in Trey Lance he would've he could've and would've straight taken the job from him. Now there's Brock Purdy who no doubt has outplayed Trey Lance and now there should be competition and expect Trey Lance to learn off Purdy, my god, how long are they gonna hold Trey Lance's hand before he starts to get it.

Lance was drafted as a long term project. It seems everyone on the team and in the fan base knew that but you and a few others.

I don't think he was drafted to he a long term project. What does that even mean? You don't spend 3 firsts+ on a long term project IMO. It just didn't work out and yes Shanahan has his qualities but he is partly to blame for the injury due to poor play calling.

They had all off-season to dial up roll outs, screens, bootlegs and play action passes, you know a playbook specifically to ease Trey into the passing game. It was a joke how much they ran him. I digress.

I think they planned to bench him a year like Mahomes behind Smith for a year. I don't think the team planned on having Jimmy here for multiple more seasons while Trey learned to play football LoL! That would be too expensive.

If Purdy continues to improve. The 49ers are gonna have a decision to make next off season. Do they trade Trey and let Purdy cook?

Then you are mistaken.

You can talk about what YOU think a team should do until you're blue in the face. Shanahan drafted an uber talented kid KNOWING he wouldn't be ready to start for at least a year. Hence why they didn't trade Jimmy after they drafted him, and wouldn't have without an extremely high offer.

But yes, the plan was for him to red shirt one year, which he did, and then he was the starter. The plan was for him to learn on the job this season. That plan got derailed because of injury. And unless Purdy continues to play lights out for the rest of the year, that plan will continue next year, no matter how badly some of you wish it would just end.

And no, the 49ers are not trading Lance next year:



Ultimately, Lance's fate as a STARTER is in Purdy's hands. But Lance's fate as a 49ER was sealed the day he was drafted. There is not a chance he's not on the team next year, unless someone offers an absurd package for him.

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QB School (49ers great JT O'Sullivan) released a video analyzing his first start.

First play.

"Not great scheme here for me."

This is also what Kurt Warner talked about. Either no hot read by design or he's to the back side which doesn't help the QB if blitzed. Result, Brock gets killed.

Anybody know more about why Kyle does this?

He audibled into the wrong play. That was on him

Fine. Let's blame Kyle for allowing Brock to audible.

That's usually how it goes around here. Find any and every reason to blame and point the finger at Kyle.

OMG ya'll are so sensitive. LOL

Listen to him again from :43-3:00 mark where he's talking about the design in general. Same with Kurt. That's two pro QB's talking about this design now.

I will say, he did cover a play (7:23) where it looked like Kyle has CMC run out of the backfield to the play side on Brock's rushing TD. Loved it.

If you listen to Kyle's explanation though. Purdy audibled into a play designed to beat man coverage but the bucs were not in man coverage. They were in zone. The play itself did not account for #22 coming in on the blitz. I guess those are the dangers of making assumptions when breaking down film and not having the inside scoop.

He's not talking about man vs. zone or the play call itself. He's talking about no hot route built in and no recognition/adjustment pre and post snap of the blitz by anybody.

So every single pass play should have a built in hot route?

That's in part what I'm asking. He called it a bad design; ""Not great scheme here for me." ~ JT

But I'm wondering if it's more a coaching point for the non-QB positions. Meaning, should THEY recognize pre snap and adjust post snap if the blitzer comes? Like he showed, nobody is even looking.

JTO grew up in Mike Martz's offense, which always has built in hot routes on non-PA passes, so I'd say he has a bit of a preference there.