QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
You just can't tell what's between the ears from a college background. Good or Bad.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Brock Purdy was the last pick not because of arm strength. it's because scouts are lazy. All they see is a big school, big arm, athletic ability, and that's who they want to draft. This same mistake has been made over and over again. Scouts and fans just continue to make the same stupid mistake. I have a lot of respect for Steve Smith. He's right on here.

From my understanding, on of the reasons Brock was overlooked was that his college offensive coordinator wasn't very good. In Brock's 2nd year in college, they got a great running back and the OC emphasized the run more than the pass so Brock's numbers dropped as compared with his first two years. He also had some really horrible turnovers in college - in big games - that really made him look like an idiot QB in college.

From high school - he didn't get into one of the football powerhouse schools because his last year in high school - he got mono, lost a ton of weight and arm strength and hence didn't get any real recruiting opportunities. He was also able to add arm strength from the draft to the 49er training camp.

One final thought, nobody really can predict how a player deals with the NFL. The pressure is intense and players can lose confidence fairly rapidly if they don't have what BOI49er mentions. Zach Wilson comes to mind. Add in the money, and the hunger to dominate and excel diminishes. I mean if your boss gave you 7 million dollars right now, no strings attached, would you go to work tomorrow? I don't think so. Scouting QBs is one of the toughest things a scout can do, in my opinion.

I'll add to your first paragraph, Brock talked about how he felt at the time that he had to really overcompensate and do too much in an effort to keep his team competitive, at times. He talked about his that lead him to make boneheaded mistakes because he just tried to do too much, instead of trusting his guys.

he also talked about how that experience really helped him grow and find himself as a person (it's why you hear him say that football doesn't define him, his faith does). He learned all that and coped with those struggles.

i feel like that doesn't get talked about enough because I think those experiences and adversity are core reasons why he can deal with the pressure of the league and have so much poise as a young man.

he's had programs on his shoulders since he was like 15, so he's really learned how to handle all of the pressure and expectations over the years and work through the boneheaded mistakes. I think it's really benefiting him early in his career.

Agree 💯%, most people don't know how to deal with adversity. The way you deal with adversity it is knowing who you are and who you want to be. Many 22 year old boys heading into the NFL pressure cooker don't have those life coping skills. Trey has to overcome this adversity. It's not his fault the player drafted last played like a round 1 pick 1 player. It is what it is and he has to just keep fighting for it if he really wants to be a QB in the NFL. He'll be fine if he does that. He is so physically talentedly blessed, it won't take much. He just has to get that confidence that Brock has in his game and he'll be fine.

To me, that's where experience comes into play. Not just playing but dealing/coping with all the wild things these QBs deal with. I'd bet darnold is probably handling and approaching this completion much better than he did last year with Mayfiekd because he's been through it and knows how to navigate it.

as long as Lance approaches it right, this situation will make him a bette person/QB long term. I think Lance has the right personality and support from his family where he will. It'll be ugly at times but I think he will persevere.

im just super excited to follow this camp with Brock. Darnold is looking better than I anticipated. I think Lance will get it together, just needs to relax and stay present/focused.

Trey just needs the reps to develop. He has everything else. Accuracy is what he needs to work on, and that's all based on his experience, timing, and progressions. Trey needs the reps to anticipate the defensive coverages. Brock is way ahead because of his experience in that category, that's why I'm hoping Kyle keeps him another year to continue to develop him. Now having said that, Brock has a unique genius. He had basically no reps and still had Kyle's offense humming when both Jimmy and Matt Ryan took multiple years to master it. Brock mastered it in less than one season.

I just hope Trey keeps fighting and doesn't give up. I mean, if Winston Churchill makes historic speeches despite flunking his English class, Ulyssys S. Grant beating Robert E Lee (Grant was pretty much dead last in his class at West Point, whereas Robert E Lee was Valedictorian), and Patton (who defeated the German Army in WWII) flunked out of West Point, Trey has got this. He just has to continue to believe he is an NFL QB.

Originally posted by genus49:
I disagree with this. Trey was as ready as many others who have come into the NFL which is to say most rookie QBs don't come out of the gate lighting it up and playing mistake free football. Even as great as Brock played he had rookie mistakes including the injury play.

The reason I feel for Trey is the team invested in him knowing his lack of experience.

They then went in with the plan to sit him as a rookie. Any starting reps he got that season was a bonus as far as the plan they had for him.

Then the injury early in year 2. I get it things happen but it's also frustrating that many of us saw something like that coming considering how he was being used.

But to go from thinking that highly of him, talking about he just needs reps to now pushing him to the side, not supporting him in the media at all after that injury is just weird to me. I don't know if Kyle is using the Aiyuk approach with Trey but it doesn't seem like Trey's issue is lack of work ethic or taking things seriously.

It's just weird to me that the team made the move they did and now making Trey seem like an afterthought. Hell they could at least prop up his trade value if they're looking to move him.

But Trey was ready. He just hasn't gotten the development needed to improve the way other young QBs do. Some isn't his fault, some is. But to say he wasn't ready imo isn't fair. Some guys are gamers. We have yet to see Trey in a game where he wasn't used as a FB outside of Houston. And it happened to be his best game.

I personally didn't think he was ready at all his rookie year, which is why I thought it made sense to sit him. Also, not only do Super Bowl teams rarely draft some One so high - they typically don't have a good qb on the roster.

i also personally feel like the team didn't think he was as raw as he was. Everytbing they were saying made it seem like they thought he was in a different place.

i don't think they soured on him last year. There were reports that the team was underwhelmed with him his rookie year in Practice and all that. Then there were tons of reports that he didn't look good during camp, you can even tell by what players are saying now in regards to his past camps.

How much of that stuff is true, who knows, but based on their current actions - it seems true to me.

an interesting question would be "is Trey competing for QB1 against darnold this year if Brock wasn't so great last year". I feel like he would be splitting reps with darnold right now regardless but it would be for QB1.

let's just hope Trey continues to improve. If he does, the rest will take care of itself.

i also don't care that Allen is getting those snaps, I'm just curious why he's getting so much more than Brock did last year as QB3.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Trey just needs the reps to develop. He has everything else. Accuracy is what he needs to work on, and that's all based on his experience, timing, and progressions. Trey needs the reps to anticipate the defensive coverages. Brock is way ahead because of his experience in that category, that's why I'm hoping Kyle keeps him another year to continue to develop him. Now having said that, Brock has a unique genius. He had basically no reps and still had Kyle's offense humming when both Jimmy and Matt Ryan took multiple years to master it. Brock mastered it in less than one season.

I just hope Trey keeps fighting and doesn't give up. I mean, if Winston Churchill makes historic speeches despite flunking his English class, Ulyssys S. Grant beating Robert E Lee (Grant was pretty much dead last in his class at West Point, whereas Robert E Lee was Valedictorian), and Patton (who defeated the German Army in WWII) flunked out of West Point, Trey has got this. He just has to continue to believe he is an NFL QB.

Those are some cool tidbits of history, I didn't know some of them.

I think people just need to lower their expectations from Lance until he starts to show them. I'm not saying he isn't capable but I just expect mediocre play out of him. Until he shows otherwise. Then once he shows more than that - then I'll get excited.

the kid has barely played and people think he can be a superstar. I just want to see if he can play as well as jimmy did first, at least. I did the same thing with Brock - I laughed when he went in and was like "oh this is going to be a s**t show" - then he proved himself and that's why I have high expectations for him.

Purdy did not participate in the 49ers' first training camp practice but got significant work with his teammates on Thursday and Friday. What are the coach's early impressions of his likely starter?

"I think he's done great," Shanahan told reporters on Sunday. "I mean, he's come back, he's had no arm troubles. It's been totally healthy, and I think he's getting all his timing back, his rhythm. I was really impressed with him in his two practices."

Shanahan has been impressed with the quarterback's efforts to return to the practice field so quickly. The early return didn't surprise him at all.

"Brock's just so detailed and committed in everything he does," Shanahan said. "He didn't miss one day. I mean, every rep that he takes to get better in his health, he's just deliberate in everything he does—how committed he was to doing that, to being here, to going down to Florida, to being in Arizona.

"Brock, if he was going to have a setback and something went wrong, was the only way we felt he wasn't going to be ahead of schedule by what he does."

its great hearing he hasnt lost his throwing velocity and is making 20+ yard throws already i honestly expected him to be out of commission for half the year

Originally posted by genus49:
I disagree with this. Trey was as ready as many others who have come into the NFL which is to say most rookie QBs don't come out of the gate lighting it up and playing mistake free football. Even as great as Brock played he had rookie mistakes including the injury play.

The reason I feel for Trey is the team invested in him knowing his lack of experience.

They then went in with the plan to sit him as a rookie. Any starting reps he got that season was a bonus as far as the plan they had for him.

Then the injury early in year 2. I get it things happen but it's also frustrating that many of us saw something like that coming considering how he was being used.

But to go from thinking that highly of him, talking about he just needs reps to now pushing him to the side, not supporting him in the media at all after that injury is just weird to me. I don't know if Kyle is using the Aiyuk approach with Trey but it doesn't seem like Trey's issue is lack of work ethic or taking things seriously.

It's just weird to me that the team made the move they did and now making Trey seem like an afterthought. Hell they could at least prop up his trade value if they're looking to move him.

But Trey was ready. He just hasn't gotten the development needed to improve the way other young QBs do. Some isn't his fault, some is. But to say he wasn't ready imo isn't fair. Some guys are gamers. We have yet to see Trey in a game where he wasn't used as a FB outside of Houston. And it happened to be his best game.

Well, no, actually. As a number three pick, Lance actually came into the league with LESS experience than any QB who had ever been drafted that high in the Super Bowl era. Or at least, so it was reported at the time. Which isn't to say that he didn't come into the league with as much experience as an undrafted rookie from some Division II backwater, but for a number three overall pick he started out way behind the sticks and wasn't nearly as ready as many of the other guys in that draft. Larry Krueger reported the other day that Kyle went on the record recently saying that the primary reason for moving up to number three was that they wanted a QB on a rookie deal because they had a lot of core players who were going to require big contracts to resign.

The move to three was to give them as many options as possible after Lawrence and Wilson, who seemed destined to go one and two. It could have been Lance, it could have been Jones, or it could have been Fields. Apparently, during the interview process they decided that they really liked Lance as a person and thought he was a high-character guy who had a lot of potential. You'll notice that I've underlined that for emphasis. Now it has been Lance's job to realize that potential, something which circumstance and opportunity has admittedly curtailed. So far, he has remained pretty much within the parameters of what a lot of people saw in his first preseason games. He seems to throw a decent deep ball, and has decent mobility, but hasn't demonstrated the unique running traits that some people were just convinced he possessed. By all accounts he is a good kid and a hard worker whom everyone likes, but his completion percentage through all of his game and preseason appearances is still under 60%. In fact, it was 54% the last time I saw anyone report on it.

None of that means that he can't change the trajectory of his career, but it would seem that time is running out for him in San Francisco. He will really need to step it up this pre-season to prove that he belongs in the league. Maybe just not with the 49ers.

We traded for the #3 pick for two reasons.

#1 Jimmy had a ceiling (like Kirk Cousins), in that he will be above average but not good enough to win a championship
#2 Having a QB on a rookie deal would allow us to extend the Super Bowl window and resign our core players (Williams, Kittle, Warner, Deebo….Bosa eventually)

As for picking Lance, Shanny/Lynch rolled the dice on a very inexperienced player with good physical tools. As opposed to more experienced options like Fields or Mac (who have their own flaws)

He was a risky pick to begin with, but also due to injuries Lance has only thrown 400 passes over the last 5 years. Which is a ridiculously low amount. Fields is 1200, Mac is 1500, Brock is 1600.

We are fortunate to have lucked into Brock Purdy, but my clear takeaway is that Lance will not play a meaningful snap in SF, and sits at QB3 behind Darnold.

Maybe he gets some snaps elsewhere in the future, best of luck to him.

Originally posted by TrojanPV:
We traded for the #3 pick for two reasons.

#1 Jimmy had a ceiling (like Kirk Cousins), in that he will be above average but not good enough to win a championship
#2 Having a QB on a rookie deal would allow us to extend the Super Bowl window and resign our core players (Williams, Kittle, Warner, Deebo….Bosa eventually)

As for picking Lance, Shanny/Lynch rolled the dice on a very inexperienced player with good physical tools. As opposed to more experienced options like Fields or Mac (who have their own flaws)

He was a risky pick to begin with, but also due to injuries Lance has only thrown 400 passes over the last 5 years. Which is a ridiculously low amount. Fields is 1200, Mac is 1500, Brock is 1600.

We are fortunate to have lucked into Brock Purdy, but my clear takeaway is that Lance will not play a meaningful snap in SF, and sits at QB3 behind Darnold.

Maybe he gets some snaps elsewhere in the future, best of luck to him.

Agreed. He has not delivered and will be traded. People get too hung up on where he was picked and the hype behind it rather than what he has done. He will be too expensive to keep after this season.

I'd bet $1 this QB room was decided weeks ago. Monday morning QBs talking Trey down when there has been nothing to see yet. 1 year on the bench to watch Jimmy was a mistake. Last year and injury. We can call it year three all we want and that's true but it equals a few short months in Trey years.

Id say the 9ers want a fire under him so they cry number 2 battle. Smart. I'd also say they know Trey is two and have planned accordingly for weeks. If you think they are ready to boot Trey after the capital without further grooming then I'd say you also think they always wanted that QB over at NE.

Brock needs a seal it season or there is this guy they spent highly on right behind him.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
I'd bet $1 this QB room was decided weeks ago. Monday morning QBs talking Trey down when there has been nothing to see yet. 1 year on the bench to watch Jimmy was a mistake. Last year and injury. We can call it year three all we want and that's true but it equals a few short months in Trey years.

Id say the 9ers want a fire under him so they cry number 2 battle. Smart. I'd also say they know Trey is two and have planned accordingly for weeks. If you think they are ready to boot Trey after the capital without further grooming then I'd say you also think they always wanted that QB over at NE.

Brock needs a seal it season or there is this guy they spent highly on right behind him.

Yeah I think this year is do or die moment for Trey. But it might be out of his control if Purdy plays at a high level all year and is healthy. But Trey can't control that. He just has be be prepared and be ready to go if called upon. He will still have a chance in this league even if it is not with us.

Brock was total rookie qb anomaly. Just about every rookie qb needs real games development no matter what round they were drafted. Brock is one of those rare cat that seems to get it from the get go. Can't really expect Lance to do the same. He's going through normal development. Brock is the freak.

the more I get to know this kid, the more impressed I am. An early return, and then throwing bombs? Purdy feels special

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Brock was total rookie qb anomaly. Just about every rookie qb needs real games development no matter what round they were drafted. Brock is one of those rare cat that seems to get it from the get go. Can't really expect Lance to do the same. He's going through normal development. Brock is the freak.

B R O C K I S B A C K

good piece on the QBs, worth a look:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38082804/49ers-quarterbacks-brock-purdy-trey-lance-sam-darnold-help-win-super-bowl

Originally posted by 9erson3:
I'd bet $1 this QB room was decided weeks ago. Monday morning QBs talking Trey down when there has been nothing to see yet. 1 year on the bench to watch Jimmy was a mistake. Last year and injury. We can call it year three all we want and that's true but it equals a few short months in Trey years.

Id say the 9ers want a fire under him so they cry number 2 battle. Smart. I'd also say they know Trey is two and have planned accordingly for weeks. If you think they are ready to boot Trey after the capital without further grooming then I'd say you also think they always wanted that QB over at NE.

Brock needs a seal it season or there is this guy they spent highly on right behind him.

I don't think so man, and the bolded is definitely not accurate.

People need to stop attributing objective reads of a situation to hate and/or ulterior motive.

You're not spending 3.5 million GTD, with a 4.5 million dollar base salary and incentives up to 11 million… and giving away valuable reps… just to motivate another guy who is slated to be a backup QB for the season. It's not close to reality.