QB Brock Purdy Thread

Anyone see any updates on Brock's trip to Jacksonville with his physician and his throwing coach? We're only 8 days away from rookies reporting and none of the content creators have posted anything about this yet.

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Anyone see any updates on Brock's trip to Jacksonville with his physician and his throwing coach? We're only 8 days away from rookies reporting and none of the content creators have posted anything about this yet.

cause there is nothing to report, duh

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

So, what are realistic numbers for Brock under Kyle in his first full year? Remember Jimmy regressed a bit when it was all on-schedule/design until he and Kyle got into grooves after slow starts.

lol...."he and Kyle" still. Can't simply call a spade a spade,...open players down the field for a SB victory or not.

Kyle can't account for his offseason disappearances and Jimmy didn't regress,....you guys just overrated him.

As for Brock,...he's not Jimmy. Nothing like him.

So I'd just wanna see him continue to grow as a QB. Number projections won't really forecast this.

And he will be responsible for the numbers he puts up, and his play on the field. Kyle is just his coach.

We don't get to attach a QB's numbers to a coach whenever things aren't spectacular. That's just that little voice in our minds telling us we know offense better than they do.

We can do whatever we want and people do this all the time.

Play calling and scheme matter.

Originally posted by NCommand:
So, what are realistic numbers for Brock under Kyle in his first full year? Remember Jimmy regressed a bit when it was all on-schedule/design until he and Kyle got into grooves after slow starts.

Woudnt Jimmy be the only QB who regressed under Kyle though?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So, what are realistic numbers for Brock under Kyle in his first full year? Remember Jimmy regressed a bit when it was all on-schedule/design until he and Kyle got into grooves after slow starts.

Woudnt Jimmy be the only QB who regressed under Kyle though?

I'm talking from 2017 where he was off schedule on nearly every pass after he arrived to the next full off season and operating the full offense out of the gate in 2018.

I don't know if we'll see that from Brock with Kyle/him after a full off season or not but it would be fair to expect (to start) until they both can get into a rhythm.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So, what are realistic numbers for Brock under Kyle in his first full year? Remember Jimmy regressed a bit when it was all on-schedule/design until he and Kyle got into grooves after slow starts.

i don't think Brock has the personality to allow Kyle to coach the aggressiveness out of him the way Jimmy did. Conversely Brock doesn't panic when the play structure breaks down, the way Jimmy did sometimes, which instills confidence in Kyle to allow Brock to "wing it."

I know we certainly have one example from Kyle where Brock blew the design but went YOLO and it worked so Kyle didn't rip his head off. Brock is definitely less by-the-book. Obviously there's good/bad with that.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So, what are realistic numbers for Brock under Kyle in his first full year? Remember Jimmy regressed a bit when it was all on-schedule/design until he and Kyle got into grooves after slow starts.

Woudnt Jimmy be the only QB who regressed under Kyle though?

I'm talking from 2017 where he was off schedule on nearly every pass after he arrived to the next full off season and operating the full offense out of the gate in 2018.

I don't know if we'll see that from Brock with Kyle/him after a full off season or not but it would be fair to expect (to start) until they both can get into a rhythm.

He was definitely not off schedule on nearly every pass in 2017. I guess the question becomes, what do you mean by off schedule? When I think of 'off schedule', I think of a QB completing his dropback, not throwing it within the rhythm of the play design, then making something happen outside of structure.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So, what are realistic numbers for Brock under Kyle in his first full year? Remember Jimmy regressed a bit when it was all on-schedule/design until he and Kyle got into grooves after slow starts.

Woudnt Jimmy be the only QB who regressed under Kyle though?

I'm talking from 2017 where he was off schedule on nearly every pass after he arrived to the next full off season and operating the full offense out of the gate in 2018.

I don't know if we'll see that from Brock with Kyle/him after a full off season or not but it would be fair to expect (to start) until they both can get into a rhythm.

He was definitely not off schedule on nearly every pass in 2017. I guess the question becomes, what do you mean by off schedule? When I think of 'off schedule', I think of a QB completing his dropback, not throwing it within the rhythm of the play design, then making something happen outside of structure.

Of the 300 snaps he was in, it certainly seemed like he was pulling it down a lot and trying to (and did) make a play a lot. His most memorable certainly were. I just mean it didn't seem like there many 3 step drop-and throw type of situations. It's probably just my poor memory. LOL

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So, what are realistic numbers for Brock under Kyle in his first full year? Remember Jimmy regressed a bit when it was all on-schedule/design until he and Kyle got into grooves after slow starts.

i don't think Brock has the personality to allow Kyle to coach the aggressiveness out of him the way Jimmy did. Conversely Brock doesn't panic when the play structure breaks down, the way Jimmy did sometimes, which instills confidence in Kyle to allow Brock to "wing it."

I know we certainly have one example from Kyle where Brock blew the design but went YOLO and it worked so Kyle didn't rip his head off. Brock is definitely less by-the-book. Obviously there's good/bad with that.

If it's the play I'm thinking of (short TD pass to Kittle), Kyle was NOT happy about it and his expression was clearly mad. But instead of being a little b***h, Purdy did the "ice in his veins" motion which basically told Kyle to sit down and let him play. He just has an energy and guts about him that is necessary for a controlling coach like Kyle.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So, what are realistic numbers for Brock under Kyle in his first full year? Remember Jimmy regressed a bit when it was all on-schedule/design until he and Kyle got into grooves after slow starts.

Woudnt Jimmy be the only QB who regressed under Kyle though?

I'm talking from 2017 where he was off schedule on nearly every pass after he arrived to the next full off season and operating the full offense out of the gate in 2018.

I don't know if we'll see that from Brock with Kyle/him after a full off season or not but it would be fair to expect (to start) until they both can get into a rhythm.

He was definitely not off schedule on nearly every pass in 2017. I guess the question becomes, what do you mean by off schedule? When I think of 'off schedule', I think of a QB completing his dropback, not throwing it within the rhythm of the play design, then making something happen outside of structure.

Of the 300 snaps he was in, it certainly seemed like he was pulling it down a lot and trying to (and did) make a play a lot. His most memorable certainly were. I just mean it didn't seem like there many 3 step drop-and throw type of situations. It's probably just my poor memory. LOL

They ran shotgun almost exclusively during that run in 2017 and Jimmy referenced it as "backyard ball" quite often. I agree with thl and wouldn't necessarily call that "off schedule" but he was definitely just letting it fly. At that point I don't think Kyle cared as much because there wasn't enough time to actually teach Jimmy his offense.

That's not the case with Purdy. He had rookie camp, training camp, and several weeks of practice learning the system. Purdy was absolutely running Kyle's offense as designed, but also throwing in "wrinkles" of his own here and there.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So, what are realistic numbers for Brock under Kyle in his first full year? Remember Jimmy regressed a bit when it was all on-schedule/design until he and Kyle got into grooves after slow starts.

i don't think Brock has the personality to allow Kyle to coach the aggressiveness out of him the way Jimmy did. Conversely Brock doesn't panic when the play structure breaks down, the way Jimmy did sometimes, which instills confidence in Kyle to allow Brock to "wing it."

I know we certainly have one example from Kyle where Brock blew the design but went YOLO and it worked so Kyle didn't rip his head off. Brock is definitely less by-the-book. Obviously there's good/bad with that.

If it's the play I'm thinking of (short TD pass to Kittle), Kyle was NOT happy about it and his expression was clearly mad. But instead of being a little b***h, Purdy did the "ice in his veins" motion which basically told Kyle to sit down and let him play. He just has an energy and guts about him that is necessary for a controlling coach like Kyle.

That might have been the one. Not sure but I'm sure as a 3rd stringer off the bench, he had more than a few he chose to go off script for a number of reasons. While that pisses Kyle off, he seems to be OK with it if it works out...to a point, I'm sure.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So, what are realistic numbers for Brock under Kyle in his first full year? Remember Jimmy regressed a bit when it was all on-schedule/design until he and Kyle got into grooves after slow starts.

Woudnt Jimmy be the only QB who regressed under Kyle though?

I'm talking from 2017 where he was off schedule on nearly every pass after he arrived to the next full off season and operating the full offense out of the gate in 2018.

I don't know if we'll see that from Brock with Kyle/him after a full off season or not but it would be fair to expect (to start) until they both can get into a rhythm.

He was definitely not off schedule on nearly every pass in 2017. I guess the question becomes, what do you mean by off schedule? When I think of 'off schedule', I think of a QB completing his dropback, not throwing it within the rhythm of the play design, then making something happen outside of structure.

Of the 300 snaps he was in, it certainly seemed like he was pulling it down a lot and trying to (and did) make a play a lot. His most memorable certainly were. I just mean it didn't seem like there many 3 step drop-and throw type of situations. It's probably just my poor memory. LOL

They ran shotgun almost exclusively during that run in 2017 and Jimmy referenced it as "backyard ball" quite often. I agree with thl and wouldn't necessarily call that "off schedule" but he was definitely just letting it fly. At that point I don't think Kyle cared as much because there wasn't enough time to actually teach Jimmy his offense.

That's not the case with Purdy. He had rookie camp, training camp, and several weeks of practice learning the system. Purdy was absolutely running Kyle's offense as designed, but also throwing in "wrinkles" of his own here and there.

That's exactly my point. I think you said it better.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:

So, what are realistic numbers for Brock under Kyle in his first full year? Remember Jimmy regressed a bit when it was all on-schedule/design until he and Kyle got into grooves after slow starts.

Woudnt Jimmy be the only QB who regressed under Kyle though?

I think a fair amount of that was physical regression.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
We can do whatever we want and people do this all the time.

Play calling and scheme matter.

You do? My screenshots from any NFL Stats website I can find show differently. Per the official website:



I only see Jimmy's name. No "Jimmy and Kyle Shanahan." Same for all the other QBs on the list as well.

So just as I initially said, we -- literally -- don't get to attach coaches names to their stats. It's all a mind game that yea, you have the right to play over and over online, and try to suck in whomever you can with such silly themes that in the end don't really mean anything at all, as has been proven over and over. (like Team Wins really being a QB Stat,...remember that? because if they really were,....you wouldn't've been trying hard as hell to replace the guy)

But continuing to push the "Jimmy and Kyle threw for X amount of yards", "Purdy and Kyle only threw for 1 touchdown last week" narratives like it's going anywhere is just pure garbage to keep pushing. It's old, it never worked before, and it's not going to work now.

Saying Kyle's offense only garnering 1 passing TD last week is completely fine, but blaming the short comings of your favorite player all the time squarely on a coach is a no-go.

There have been excellent players throughout the history of the NFL that were able to put up great numbers with garbage coaches. It just.....makes no sense, and the Causation/Correlation fallacy from 1 subject to another here is constantly the issue.

But I mean I do have an open mind. So when you find a legit site that shows me how many TDs Jimmy and Kyle Shanahan threw for last year, please 1 up me and send me the link.

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Anyone see any updates on Brock's trip to Jacksonville with his physician and his throwing coach? We're only 8 days away from rookies reporting and none of the content creators have posted anything about this yet.

You ever see Rookie of the Year?

Brock coming back with an absolute cannon