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Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
It's a reflection on where the team thinks Lance is at short term, and not much more than that IMO.

Yesterday, 9ers4eva said it would be an indictment on Lance if he couldn't beat out Sam and I couldn't disagree more. Lance has played one year of football in the last 4 seasons, at the FCS level of college. Him losing out to Darnold wouldn't be an indictment on his future, or shocking in any way shape or form. If he had played the last two years and lost a competition to Darnold, that would be different.

Never said it was an indictment of his future. It would be an indictment of where he is being that while Darnold is more experienced as a whole he has a lot of baggage that's he had to work through.

I go back to experience has its benefits but there are huge drawbacks to having bad experience with bad coaching. Causes lots of bad habits that are hard to break, a guy with less experience has to deal with less of that. So if Lance can't beat Darnold out when he has had more time in the system and less of the bad habits that Darnold has developed that is an indictment of him in terms of him with the 9ers. His future elsewhere isn't my concern.

Also until Purdy is cleared they are competing for qb 1. With this teams history I'm not counting on anything until I see it.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Because there's more to the evaluation than performance in games. While that's what matters coaches are taking more into account.

Since we're talking DB's as an example, Ambry Thomas was a 3rd rounder, but DeMo - a 5th rounder, got the first Crack early in 2021, struggled and was benched. Thomas played well at the end of 2021. During the off-season something happened where Thomas got passed by multiple players. He hasn't seen the field since even though injury provided opportunities.

You have to realize that these coaches chart EVERYTHING from practices and drills.

The extent to which Trey gets an opportunity over Brock, should Brock falter, will come down to Trey's evaluation since being with the team and where he's at. Not just because of three 1st round picks.

so it Trevor Lawrence got hurt after his first 100 passing attempts, which were for the most part s**t and E. J. Perry came in with the same team and played well for 6 games… Perry then starts in 2023 doesn't maintain his same level from a yr ago and costs them some wins…they're gonna let Perry play through his struggles and develop, while Lawrence sits the bench the whole time?

I completely disagree with that.

That's not what I said. I said more goes into it than just game performance. Why are you minimalizing it?
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Because there's more to the evaluation than performance in games. While that's what matters coaches are taking more into account.

Since we're talking DB's as an example, Ambry Thomas was a 3rd rounder, but DeMo - a 5th rounder, got the first Crack early in 2021, struggled and was benched. Thomas played well at the end of 2021. During the off-season something happened where Thomas got passed by multiple players. He hasn't seen the field since even though injury provided opportunities.

You have to realize that these coaches chart EVERYTHING from practices and drills.

The extent to which Trey gets an opportunity over Brock, should Brock falter, will come down to Trey's evaluation since being with the team and where he's at. Not just because of three 1st round picks.

so it Trevor Lawrence got hurt after his first 100 passing attempts, which were for the most part s**t and E. J. Perry came in with the same team and played well for 6 games… Perry then starts in 2023 doesn't maintain his same level from a yr ago and costs them some wins…they're gonna let Perry play through his struggles and develop, while Lawrence sits the bench the whole time?

I completely disagree with that.

Just so every definition is agreed upon, "played well" in this case amounts to a historically good first 8 games of a rookie's career, arguably the best first 8 games (half season) in NFL rookie QB history. I agree that there will be a leash of some length, especially if Trey is balling in practice, but why use language that diminishes the accomplishment of Purdy. You keep saying six games to reduce the amount he played (somehow just throwing out his two playoff wins). Then you say things like he played well for a 7th rounder, undervaluing the fact that he played at an elite level every game he was in. It beggars belief that you are truly neutral when your language deceives that notion.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Argument can also be made that Jimmy didn't demonstrate he was better than Purdy either. He was coming off another injury with zero camp. So why was he made the backup with no competition when the team showed a desire to move on from him? Simple his status as a multi year starter within the offense.

There's a lot of revisionist history now about how good Brock looked because guys want to take credit for seeing it first. I don't recall a single beat writer at the time advocating for Purdy to start. Reality is no one could've seen this coming. Same people that talk up Purdy now thought season done the moment Jimmy got hurt. Hell even I did.

Jimmy didn't have to prove he was better than Purdy in that circumstance. The issue is whether or not Lance was handed the job as a starter without having to demonstrate that he was, in fact, better than the two guys behind him, in whatever order they might have been. You're just trying to create a false equivalency where none exists.
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Jimmy didn't have to prove he was better than Purdy in that circumstance. The issue is whether or not Lance was handed the job as a starter without having to demonstrate that he was, in fact, better than the two guys behind him, in whatever order they might have been. You're just trying to create a false equivalency where none exists.

But why would Jimmy not have to prove he was better than the guy behind him? He was recovering from multiple injuries without a defined timetable of a return. Could've easily used his money to add a piece or two and have Purdy be the backup in hindsight.

Did Tua have to demonstrate he was better than Skyler Thompson in Miami? He was completely unproven prior to last season as well.
[ Edited by 9ers4eva on Jun 17, 2023 at 4:59 PM ]
Originally posted by mayo49:
Looks like Brock is on schedule to be opening day starter. Thank god, his elbow is going to be 100%, back.

Good to have you back private! Now we have so many good players on our team as long as we're not injured in the playoffs we could easily win the Super Bowl
Originally posted by jonnydel:
That's not what I said. I said more goes into it than just game performance. Why are you minimalizing it?

That happens a lot, something to get used to jd. You are correct in pointing that out it's just some people can't accept it at all. Great work on your recent appearances on podcasts as well as your own!

Originally posted by Chance:
Just so every definition is agreed upon, "played well" in this case amounts to a historically good first 8 games of a rookie's career, arguably the best first 8 games (half season) in NFL rookie QB history. I agree that there will be a leash of some length, especially if Trey is balling in practice, but why use language that diminishes the accomplishment of Purdy. You keep saying six games to reduce the amount he played (somehow just throwing out his two playoff wins). Then you say things like he played well for a 7th rounder, undervaluing the fact that he played at an elite level every game he was in. It beggars belief that you are truly neutral when your language deceives that notion.

Some people in here use language to diminish the accomplishments of Brock Purdy, all you have to do is check this thread once in a while and you'll know exactly where some posters stand. A lot of people claim to be objective but they are super subjective and will not change their mind at all. They can give a complement here or there but it's attached with something minimizing accomplishments even HISTORICAL ones. It's just laughable.

I'm just glad we have a second year quarterback who played historically well whether anyone can accept that or wants to admit that or not. We also have Lance who will play well if he gets a chance. Probably not very good or great however his ability to extend plays and throw deep might make up for his shortcomings as a passer
https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/lists/49ers-offense-stats-brock-purdy-jimmy-garoppolo/
excellent article regarding Brock and how he helped the offense improve.

DEEO THROWS:
"It's not that Purdy was winging it deep every chance he got. According to Pro Football Focus, 11.6 percent of his attempts were throws 20-plus yards downfield. That puts him in the middle of the pack league-wide. However, it's a pretty substantial uptick from Garoppolo's 9.1 percent which ranked 31st in the NFL.

The bigger and more important change though was the efficiency from the QBs on those throws. Purdy attempted just one fewer deep throw than Garoppolo, but completed three more of them. He also converted four of those tosses into touchdowns compared to just one for his predecessor.

Deep ball completion rate lines up roughly with three-point percentages in the NBA. Purdy's 40.7 percent completion percentage on throws 20-plus yards down the field is very good, and ranked 12th in the NFL last season.

We aren't going to see a version of the 49ers' offense where they're consistently pushing the ball 20-plus yards, but they don't need that. Purdy is a bigger threat to not only take those shots, but complete them. It's another layer of the 49ers' offense defenses have to defend, which helps open things up in the short-to-intermediate areas they want to work."

INTERMEDIATE THROWS:
"Speaking of short-to-intermediate areas of the field, this is the area that could see the most substantial upgrade for San Francisco. Garoppolo was fine 10-19 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. Last year he threw 19.2 percent of his attempts into this area and completed 62.7 percent of them. Purdy's attempt rate was basically the same at 19.7 percent, but he completed a whopping 80.4 percent of his passes in the intermediate range. That mark led the league by 12 percentage points. The distance between Purdy and No. 2 was the same as the distance between No. 2 and No. 30.

This efficiency will likely regress a bit in 2023, but the improvement is another reason for the 49ers' uptick in offensive output with Purdy playing QB. That ability to push the ball down the field even a little more often and a little more efficiently gives defenses more areas of the field to worry about when defending San Francisco."

OUTSIDE THE NUMBERS:
"A key wrinkle for San Francisco in the post-Garoppolo era is a greater penchant for throwing outside the numbers. That wasn't something Garoppolo was necessarily averse to, but he was certainly better and more apt to throw it in the middle of the field.

Purdy wasn't one to wing it to the boundaries more often than Garoppolo, but he specifically threw it short (0-9 yards beyond the line of scrimmage) and to his left 11.6 percent of the time. More than 17 percent of his throws went outside the numbers left thanks in part to that short-left number.

For comparison, Garoppolo went left on 14 percent of his throws and right on 13.4 percent. For Purdy those numbers were 17.3 percent and 11.5 percent, respectively.

This is where Purdy's scrambling really comes out. He had a tendency last season to spin out of the pocket to his left. That led to a slew of short throws that are completed outside the numbers at pretty good efficiency. The 49ers aren't likely to make a major change where they abandon the middle of the field. That's a key area for them in creating yards after the catch. However, having a quarterback who can more often force defenses to defend the boundaries will help keep them from sitting on throws in the middle and taking away the offense's bread and butter so easily."

THROWAWAYS:
"Throwing the ball away is typically a better option than taking a sack. It was not one of Garoppolo's strengths. His career-high in throwaways was in 2021 when he threw it away 15 times on 556 dropbacks. In 2020 he threw it away just once on 155 dropbacks, and in 2019 he did it 14 times on 589 dropbacks. Last year he was at four on 328 dropbacks before getting hurt. By comparison, Purdy dropped back 259 times and threw it away 11 times.

This may not seem like a huge deal, and in a vacuum the act of throwing the ball away isn't a positive. However, a throwaway typically replaces a sack. That means a second-and-4 becomes third-and-4 with a throwaway instead of third-and-long with a sack. It's not a coincidence that leaders in throwaways each year are some of the game's best, most-seasoned QBs. Just the act of living to fight another down can make things easier on the offense overall."
I knew Jimmy didn't throw it away often but I didn't realize it was this bad. Brock did a good job of just moving on and not trying to force things. Interesting stat.

"Throwing the ball away is typically a better option than taking a sack. It was not one of Garoppolo's strengths. His career-high in throwaways was in 2021 when he threw it away 15 times on 556 dropbacks. In 2020 he threw it away just once on 155 dropbacks, and in 2019 he did it 14 times on 589 dropbacks. Last year he was at four on 328 dropbacks before getting hurt. By comparison, Purdy dropped back 259 times and threw it away 11 times.

This may not seem like a huge deal, and in a vacuum the act of throwing the ball away isn't a positive. However, a throwaway typically replaces a sack. That means a second-and-4 becomes third-and-4 with a throwaway instead of third-and-long with a sack. It's not a coincidence that leaders in throwaways each year are some of the game's best, most-seasoned QBs. Just the act of living to fight another down can make things easier on the offense overall."
Originally posted by tankle104:
https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/lists/49ers-offense-stats-brock-purdy-jimmy-garoppolo/
excellent article regarding Brock and how he helped the offense improve.

DEEO THROWS:
"It's not that Purdy was winging it deep every chance he got. According to Pro Football Focus, 11.6 percent of his attempts were throws 20-plus yards downfield. That puts him in the middle of the pack league-wide. However, it's a pretty substantial uptick from Garoppolo's 9.1 percent which ranked 31st in the NFL.

The bigger and more important change though was the efficiency from the QBs on those throws. Purdy attempted just one fewer deep throw than Garoppolo, but completed three more of them. He also converted four of those tosses into touchdowns compared to just one for his predecessor.

Deep ball completion rate lines up roughly with three-point percentages in the NBA. Purdy's 40.7 percent completion percentage on throws 20-plus yards down the field is very good, and ranked 12th in the NFL last season.

We aren't going to see a version of the 49ers' offense where they're consistently pushing the ball 20-plus yards, but they don't need that. Purdy is a bigger threat to not only take those shots, but complete them. It's another layer of the 49ers' offense defenses have to defend, which helps open things up in the short-to-intermediate areas they want to work."

INTERMEDIATE THROWS:
"Speaking of short-to-intermediate areas of the field, this is the area that could see the most substantial upgrade for San Francisco. Garoppolo was fine 10-19 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. Last year he threw 19.2 percent of his attempts into this area and completed 62.7 percent of them. Purdy's attempt rate was basically the same at 19.7 percent, but he completed a whopping 80.4 percent of his passes in the intermediate range. That mark led the league by 12 percentage points. The distance between Purdy and No. 2 was the same as the distance between No. 2 and No. 30.

This efficiency will likely regress a bit in 2023, but the improvement is another reason for the 49ers' uptick in offensive output with Purdy playing QB. That ability to push the ball down the field even a little more often and a little more efficiently gives defenses more areas of the field to worry about when defending San Francisco."

OUTSIDE THE NUMBERS:
"A key wrinkle for San Francisco in the post-Garoppolo era is a greater penchant for throwing outside the numbers. That wasn't something Garoppolo was necessarily averse to, but he was certainly better and more apt to throw it in the middle of the field.

Purdy wasn't one to wing it to the boundaries more often than Garoppolo, but he specifically threw it short (0-9 yards beyond the line of scrimmage) and to his left 11.6 percent of the time. More than 17 percent of his throws went outside the numbers left thanks in part to that short-left number.

For comparison, Garoppolo went left on 14 percent of his throws and right on 13.4 percent. For Purdy those numbers were 17.3 percent and 11.5 percent, respectively.

This is where Purdy's scrambling really comes out. He had a tendency last season to spin out of the pocket to his left. That led to a slew of short throws that are completed outside the numbers at pretty good efficiency. The 49ers aren't likely to make a major change where they abandon the middle of the field. That's a key area for them in creating yards after the catch. However, having a quarterback who can more often force defenses to defend the boundaries will help keep them from sitting on throws in the middle and taking away the offense's bread and butter so easily."

THROWAWAYS:
"Throwing the ball away is typically a better option than taking a sack. It was not one of Garoppolo's strengths. His career-high in throwaways was in 2021 when he threw it away 15 times on 556 dropbacks. In 2020 he threw it away just once on 155 dropbacks, and in 2019 he did it 14 times on 589 dropbacks. Last year he was at four on 328 dropbacks before getting hurt. By comparison, Purdy dropped back 259 times and threw it away 11 times.

This may not seem like a huge deal, and in a vacuum the act of throwing the ball away isn't a positive. However, a throwaway typically replaces a sack. That means a second-and-4 becomes third-and-4 with a throwaway instead of third-and-long with a sack. It's not a coincidence that leaders in throwaways each year are some of the game's best, most-seasoned QBs. Just the act of living to fight another down can make things easier on the offense overall."

I read that. Great article in support of Purdy and he didn't even have Deebo for what 4-5 games? He also didn't have even average pass protection vs Dallas. Elite performance for a rookie
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Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Looks like Brock is on schedule to be opening day starter. Thank god, his elbow is going to be 100%, back.

Good to have you back private! Now we have so many good players on our team as long as we're not injured in the playoffs we could easily win the Super Bowl

Love you, brother. Totally, agree.
[ Edited by mayo49 on Jun 17, 2023 at 7:41 PM ]
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Jimmy didn't have to prove he was better than Purdy in that circumstance. The issue is whether or not Lance was handed the job as a starter without having to demonstrate that he was, in fact, better than the two guys behind him, in whatever order they might have been. You're just trying to create a false equivalency where none exists.

But why would Jimmy not have to prove he was better than the guy behind him? He was recovering from multiple injuries without a defined timetable of a return. Could've easily used his money to add a piece or two and have Purdy be the backup in hindsight.

Did Tua have to demonstrate he was better than Skyler Thompson in Miami? He was completely unproven prior to last season as well.

I highlighted this because you clearly missed it the first time around. The issue is whether or not the starter had done anything to prove he was better than the two guys behind him, not which back-up was better than the other. As for hindsight, that is about the lamest argument there is. IF I had known Amazon was going to turn out to be what it became, I'd be a millionaire by now.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Looks like Brock is on schedule to be opening day starter. Thank god, his elbow is going to be 100%, back.

Good to have you back private! Now we have so many good players on our team as long as we're not injured in the playoffs we could easily win the Super Bowl

Love you, brother. Totally, agree.

Love you my man Some good ol fashioned man luvin' up in here….Private Mayo/Sgt Foley style
  • mayo49
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Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Looks like Brock is on schedule to be opening day starter. Thank god, his elbow is going to be 100%, back.

Good to have you back private! Now we have so many good players on our team as long as we're not injured in the playoffs we could easily win the Super Bowl

Love you, brother. Totally, agree.

Love you my man Some good ol fashioned man luvin' up in here….Private Mayo/Sgt Foley style

Yeah, they actually admired each other.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Looks like Brock is on schedule to be opening day starter. Thank god, his elbow is going to be 100%, back.

Good to have you back private! Now we have so many good players on our team as long as we're not injured in the playoffs we could easily win the Super Bowl

Love you, brother. Totally, agree.

Love you my man Some good ol fashioned man luvin' up in here….Private Mayo/Sgt Foley style

Yeah, they actually admired each other.
That's RIGHTTTTTTTTTTT……ICE….MAN
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