QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tankle104:
The story I read was that Kyle asked his guys to find a young qb that we could develop. I believe the two guys who spent the most time on it was Griese & Klay Kubiak. I may have that wrong but it was sometbing along those lines. They banged the table for Purdy and liked him so much that we chose to use our final pick on him instead of trying to get him as an UDFA. Kyle may of had a little to do with it but Lynch went out of his way to give those two credit for really doing all the work to find Purdy.

when Kyle is involved, he's actually pretty bad at drafting QBs. Best one he has ever got was Cousins. Lol which I don't think is a great thing. Lol every one else he has drafted has sucked or not shown anything yet. (He didn't really want RGIII but did good with him before his injury.)

brock said he didn't have any contact with anyone else in the organization besides Griese & Klay.

"QB coach, Brian Griese, who's a first-time coach at any

level, studied college QBs (about 15 in all) along with
assistant QB coach Klay Kubiak. They presented their
grades and evaluations to the rest of the staff before the
draft. The 49ers had Trey Lance, backup Nate Sudfeld
and plenty of other draft needs, but Griese and Kubiak
saw something in Purdy.
Griese is big on accuracy and intangibles, saying, "I think
accuracy is undervalued. I think leadership is
undervalued. I know that we valued the fact that Brock
was selfless. He was humble. Relationships mattered to
him."
I don't think the Niners would have drafted Purdy if not
for Brian Griese making a case to the staff."

Griese looks to be a pretty good qb coach too, he had Jimmy playing the best he ever has for us last year, and you could definitely tell the difference between Purdy against the chiefs and Purdy against the Dolphins.

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I couldn't, when did he play the chefs?

Yeah, it wasn't much and very late in the game. It was a blow out so they threw him in. He had some nice throws. I think he threw a pick though. He threw three as the starter and one then. Wasn't a terrible pick but he was being pretty aggressive down field.

I'm not sure that is the best situation from which to evaluate a quarterback. I guess I stopped watching by the time he got in.

I mean it was actually a terrible overthrow in the RZ vs KC's second team D at that point. Regardless you can't put any stock in that game for him. IF that was Lance you better believe the haters would have been out in full force though

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tankle104:
The story I read was that Kyle asked his guys to find a young qb that we could develop. I believe the two guys who spent the most time on it was Griese & Klay Kubiak. I may have that wrong but it was sometbing along those lines. They banged the table for Purdy and liked him so much that we chose to use our final pick on him instead of trying to get him as an UDFA. Kyle may of had a little to do with it but Lynch went out of his way to give those two credit for really doing all the work to find Purdy.

when Kyle is involved, he's actually pretty bad at drafting QBs. Best one he has ever got was Cousins. Lol which I don't think is a great thing. Lol every one else he has drafted has sucked or not shown anything yet. (He didn't really want RGIII but did good with him before his injury.)

brock said he didn't have any contact with anyone else in the organization besides Griese & Klay.

"QB coach, Brian Griese, who's a first-time coach at any

level, studied college QBs (about 15 in all) along with
assistant QB coach Klay Kubiak. They presented their
grades and evaluations to the rest of the staff before the
draft. The 49ers had Trey Lance, backup Nate Sudfeld
and plenty of other draft needs, but Griese and Kubiak
saw something in Purdy.
Griese is big on accuracy and intangibles, saying, "I think
accuracy is undervalued. I think leadership is
undervalued. I know that we valued the fact that Brock
was selfless. He was humble. Relationships mattered to
him."
I don't think the Niners would have drafted Purdy if not
for Brian Griese making a case to the staff."

Griese looks to be a pretty good qb coach too, he had Jimmy playing the best he ever has for us last year, and you could definitely tell the difference between Purdy against the chiefs and Purdy against the Dolphins.

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I couldn't, when did he play the chefs?

Yeah, it wasn't much and very late in the game. It was a blow out so they threw him in. He had some nice throws. I think he threw a pick though. He threw three as the starter and one then. Wasn't a terrible pick but he was being pretty aggressive down field.

I'm not sure that is the best situation from which to evaluate a quarterback. I guess I stopped watching by the time he got in.

Lol so I didn't realize he did until after the Miami game and went back and watched it. I turned the KC game off early cause it was awful. Lmao

i agree, it isn't tape that you can get any idea what kind of qb they'll be. There were some nice throws but within the context, it's essentially useless. It didn't give me any indication that he was about to do what he did. Lol

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol so I didn't realize he did until after the Miami game and went back and watched it. I turned the KC game off early cause it was awful. Lmao

i agree, it isn't tape that you can get any idea what kind of qb they'll be. There were some nice throws but within the context, it's essentially useless. It didn't give me any indication that he was about to do what he did. Lol

While I agree that KC game doesn't mean much if anything. Couldn't you say the same thing for the Miami game? He just got tossed into that one…but because he played well it matters?

overall, outside of Sam I just don't have enough of anything to say so and so is gonna be good or bad.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol so I didn't realize he did until after the Miami game and went back and watched it. I turned the KC game off early cause it was awful. Lmao

i agree, it isn't tape that you can get any idea what kind of qb they'll be. There were some nice throws but within the context, it's essentially useless. It didn't give me any indication that he was about to do what he did. Lol

While I agree that KC game doesn't mean much if anything. Couldn't you say the same thing for the Miami game? He just got tossed into that one…but because he played well it matters?

overall, outside of Sam I just don't have enough of anything to say so and so is gonna be good or bad.

I guess the difference with the Miami game would be the amount of time he played and the fact the game wasn't already out of hand? What impressed me most with him was his ability to meet each challenge as it rose. When he played his first road game, when he'd finally put enough games together for opposing defenses to review, first playoff game, etc. That being said, this next entire season will tell even more. How does he respond after the injury? How does he respond when he puts a stinker up? How does he respond after his first loss? I don't really consider the Philly game a loss by him, though I'm sure it's counted as one.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol so I didn't realize he did until after the Miami game and went back and watched it. I turned the KC game off early cause it was awful. Lmao

i agree, it isn't tape that you can get any idea what kind of qb they'll be. There were some nice throws but within the context, it's essentially useless. It didn't give me any indication that he was about to do what he did. Lol

While I agree that KC game doesn't mean much if anything. Couldn't you say the same thing for the Miami game? He just got tossed into that one…but because he played well it matters?

overall, outside of Sam I just don't have enough of anything to say so and so is gonna be good or bad.

There is a colossal difference between playing a drive or two in garbage time when your team is blown out and the other team is just playing prevent vs playing 90%+ of a game vs a team that's still trying to win.

You can't compare the two. It's two completely different worlds. It's not even comprehensible to try. The Miami game showed a lot and took a lot more. Garbage time against KC for a drive or two is essentially worthless.

almost every QB looks good In garbage time because teams just play prevent and let you have passes, they're just trying to stop you from scoring and giving up big plays. They let you throw the short to mid Stuff all down the field

now you could say that the Miami game standing alone isn't enough to gauge anyone either, because it's just 3/4 of a game. Just like it's difficult to gauge him completely after the 7-8 games he's played. But I don't think you can say the Miami game and garbage time in the KC game are similar.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol so I didn't realize he did until after the Miami game and went back and watched it. I turned the KC game off early cause it was awful. Lmao

i agree, it isn't tape that you can get any idea what kind of qb they'll be. There were some nice throws but within the context, it's essentially useless. It didn't give me any indication that he was about to do what he did. Lol

While I agree that KC game doesn't mean much if anything. Couldn't you say the same thing for the Miami game? He just got tossed into that one…but because he played well it matters?

overall, outside of Sam I just don't have enough of anything to say so and so is gonna be good or bad.

I guess the difference with the Miami game would be the amount of time he played and the fact the game wasn't already out of hand? What impressed me most with him was his ability to meet each challenge as it rose. When he played his first road game, when he'd finally put enough games together for opposing defenses to review, first playoff game, etc. That being said, this next entire season will tell even more. How does he respond after the injury? How does he respond when he puts a stinker up? How does he respond after his first loss? I don't really consider the Philly game a loss by him, though I'm sure it's counted as one.

Yeah, the Philly game will technically count as a loss but I don't think anyone holds it against him cause he played less than a drive or so. Holding that loss against him would be like faulting Trey for us losing the Seahawks game (if we did lose it). It would be ridiculous cause he played so little of the game.

but I agree, the way he rose to each challenge and was able to adjust during the game - was extremely impressive to me. We didn't really see anything stump him. He made some bad reads/passes from time to time but overall, he played exceptional given the circumstances and situations.

there really isn't much more we could of asked him to do besides minor things like fix his reads/throws (which comes with experience), stop rolling out of pockets early and to the left, hit his first reads more consistent when they're open. Etc. Those are all minor things that are very fixable - it isn't like he's getting confused or flustered out there, collapsing under pressure, etc.

next season will tell us most, if not all, of what we need to know regarding if he is the guy. It'll be fun to watch.

let the hate flow

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
I guess the difference with the Miami game would be the amount of time he played and the fact the game wasn't already out of hand? What impressed me most with him was his ability to meet each challenge as it rose. When he played his first road game, when he'd finally put enough games together for opposing defenses to review, first playoff game, etc. That being said, this next entire season will tell even more. How does he respond after the injury? How does he respond when he puts a stinker up? How does he respond after his first loss? I don't really consider the Philly game a loss by him, though I'm sure it's counted as one.

I won't disagree that he made the most out of his opportunities. I'm looked forward to see what he can do this season. My whole debate was with the peeps that proclaimed him great and we weren't allowed to talk about any of his flaws, which there was. For me I need a MUCH bigger sample size to go all in on a QB (or be out). We as 49er fans should understand this by now. I'm not a BCB hater. I have my doubts on some of it being sustainable. I'll be the happiest fan if it is.

Also I don't think any of these dudes gets the luxury to play through bad play. How much of leash will they have? We're gonna find out.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:


let the hate flow

So, Brock, like Jimmy when he was playing well, is able to execute the offense the way Kyle designed it, by hitting the guys who Kyle has schemed open. But because he doesn't do well in another of PFF's ridiculous metric calculations, big time throw whatever, he's not really an upgrade. Got it. I usually like Alex Rollins but sometimes he is a bit over enamored of "advanced" metrics. Which, as anyone who has followed along knows, I think are pretty silly, generally speaking. I think his point about the defense stepping up when Jimmy got hurt, probably has some merit, and there are probably legitimate reasons why Brock was the last pick in the draft. But, like Lance, Brock's story isn't completely written yet.

Hopefully, his elbow won't be an issue moving forward and he can improve on some of the things that he was kind of tailing off on last year. He sounds like he is aware of a lot of the things that some of the QB guys like Warner and O'Sullivan were pointing out late in the season, like losing his throwing base a little, or being late on some throws that would have resulted in a better outcome if he had been on time. We'll see what happens I guess. Go Niners!

Originally posted by Hysterikal:


let the hate flow

I mean he's not wrong. Also as long as we have Kyle, and elite roster, and everyone executes…it's not gonna matter a ton. They will score points and win games. Will it be enough to win it all? We will see.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:


let the hate flow

So, Brock, like Jimmy when he was playing well, is able to execute the offense the way Kyle designed it, by hitting the guys who Kyle has schemed open. But because he doesn't do well in another of PFF's ridiculous metric calculations, big time throw whatever, he's not really an upgrade. Got it. I usually like Alex Rollins but sometimes he is a bit over enamored of "advanced" metrics. Which, as anyone who has followed along knows, I think are pretty silly, generally speaking. I think his point about the defense stepping up when Jimmy got hurt, probably has some merit, and there are probably legitimate reasons why Brock was the last pick in the draft. But, like Lance, Brock's story isn't completely written yet.

Hopefully, his elbow won't be an issue moving forward and he can improve on some of the things that he was kind of tailing off on last year. He sounds like he is aware of a lot of the things that some of the QB guys like Warner and O'Sullivan were pointing out late in the season, like losing his throwing base a little, or being late on some throws that would have resulted in a better outcome if he had been on time. We'll see what happens I guess. Go Niners!

I mean he's not wrong overall. Doesn't mean Brock can't develop more. I don't think things like TD% and TD/INT Ratio are advanced stats… they're volatile stats. They can change year to year. Like he said there was about 5 plays that could have been an easy INTs that weren't. When Brock was the QB, our D had 20 turn overs. Thats f**king insane and without a doubt leads to more scoring opportunities.

I mean if he turns into Jimmy 2.0 that's a massive score based on where he was drafted. I do think we as fans should expect more if we're gonna proclaim him the FQB for the next decade. IMO it's one game at a time and we shouldn't just settle for "safe" BUT without question he's earned the right to get first shot at it and see if he can maintain what he did last yr.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean he's not wrong overall. Doesn't mean Brock can't develop more. I don't think things like TD% and TD/INT Ratio are advanced stats… they're volatile stats. They can change year to year. Like he said there was about 5 plays that could have been an easy INTs that weren't. When Brock was the QB, our D had 20 turn overs. Thats f**king insane and without a doubt leads to more scoring opportunities.

I mean if he turns into Jimmy 2.0 that's a massive score based on where he drafted. I do think we as fans should expect more if we're gonna proclaim him the FQB for the next decade. IMO it's one game at a time and we shouldn't just settle for "safe" BUT without question he's earned the right to get first shot at it and see if he can maintain what he did last yr.

I will say that a rook playing even with a 9 year vet (I'd argue better) would suggest there's more upside there as he understands things more.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:


let the hate flow

I mean he's not wrong. Also as long as we have Kyle, and elite roster, and everyone executes…it's not gonna matter a ton. They will score points and win games. Will it be enough to win it all? We will see.

They view this as a hit piece but I don't think this would be that bad. We'd be 2x SB champs if we could defend a 3rd and 15 and catch an INT off the shoulder pads. If BP wants to put us up 10 in any NFC Champ games or SBs I'll take it and roll with whatever happens next. Give Hargrave & Bosa a 10 point lead late, we should be winning.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:


let the hate flow

Doesn't seem like hate. Jimmy was debatably on the fringes of becoming a borderline top-12 QB last year, so if that's who Brock Purdy is, it's still pretty good value for the last pick in the draft.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean he's not wrong overall. Doesn't mean Brock can't develop more. I don't think things like TD% and TD/INT Ratio are advanced stats… they're volatile stats. They can change year to year. Like he said there was about 5 plays that could have been an easy INTs that weren't. When Brock was the QB, our D had 20 turn overs. Thats f**king insane and without a doubt leads to more scoring opportunities.

I mean if he turns into Jimmy 2.0 that's a massive score based on where he drafted. I do think we as fans should expect more if we're gonna proclaim him the FQB for the next decade. IMO it's one game at a time and we shouldn't just settle for "safe" BUT without question he's earned the right to get first shot at it and see if he can maintain what he did last yr.

I will say that a rook playing even with a 9 year vet (I'd argue better) would suggest there's more upside there as he understands things more.

I guess. It's not like he didn't come into the league with 4 yrs worth of football under his belt. He does look good as far as understanding coverages and where to go. That's what he can develop more even though he's good there already. Teams will adapt to him, so that will be interesting.

as far as how he will be defended it's no different than how Jimmy was. Like Alex stated we faced a single high safety like 67% of the time. They're daring him to pushing the ball. It's why when people bring up Mahomes and his air yards or YPA it's missing leading. He's constantly facing cover 2 (two safeties deep). Teams are trying to make him dink and dunk.