QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:
id be thrilled if we traded him for Hunter though. That would be a good trade for us short term and potentially long term for minnesota. That market might be more forgiving than the 49ers base.

I mean you've already determined he's not a good player. Correct if wrong, but why are you looking to strike it big with a trade if this is your opinion?

Cause I think it would be a good trade? Lol if we just sent picks, great. As long as we don't trade an integral player, idc who or what it is. Just reports that they're interested in Trey.

landing a player like hunter would put us over the top and fill in our last question mark on defense. Essentially making our team complete from top to bottom (since we don't know what Jackson will be yet).

id rather have hunter instead of a back up qb. Having 3-4 quality backup QBs is great but I'm fine with 2-3 and a top tier pass rusher. I also choose to think optimistically and not assume 2-3 of our QBs are going to go down.

for as optimistic as some are that Trey is going to somehow start the first couple games, it's probably more likely he doesn't start any games this year at qb and his only plays are trick packages. Unless it's a blowout or Brock goes down again, and assuming he beats out darnold, is the only way I see him starting games for us.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:
id be thrilled if we traded him for Hunter though. That would be a good trade for us short term and potentially long term for minnesota. That market might be more forgiving than the 49ers base.

I mean you've already determined he's not a good player. Correct if wrong, but why are you looking to strike it big with a trade if this is your opinion?

Cause I think it would be a good trade? Lol if we just sent picks, great. As long as we don't trade an integral player, idc who or what it is. Just reports that they're interested in Trey.

landing a player like hunter would put us over the top and fill in our last question mark on defense. Essentially making our team complete from top to bottom (since we don't know what Jackson will be yet).

id rather have hunter instead of a back up qb. Having 3-4 quality backup QBs is great but I'm fine with 2-3 and a top tier pass rusher. I also choose to think optimistically and not assume 2-3 of our QBs are going to go down.

for as optimistic as some are that Trey is going to somehow start the first couple games, it's probably more likely he doesn't start any games this year at qb and his only plays are trick packages. Unless it's a blowout or Brock goes down again, and assuming he beats out darnold, is the only way I see him starting games for us.

Given how we went thru 3 QBs last year, and how multiple injuries to the QB position is a league-wide issue (which is why u can barely breathe on them these days),...your outlook is irrational.

And,...btw....you didnt piece together the logic of thinking he's such a bad player yet hoping for a great deal as a trade at the same time. Do you have some extra footage or intel on Trey that the other 31 teams do not have?

On multiple levels,...your pivoting stances just don't add up.

What does seem to be the case here (given the way your behavior's oblivious to it) is that you want to reduce the competition at the QB1 spot and QB2 spot as much as possible.

You want our players to work alot less harder this offseason to secure their places on the team @ the QB position. Which,...I've gotta say,...is kind of weird coming from a "fan" of the team and all. JMO

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
I like Trey, though I thought it was unwise to spend so many picks on him. I didn't think there was a qb worth that much capital. I think paying that much for the kid gave too many folks unrealistic expectations of him, considering his lack of experience. I think that's why we have some folks who refuse to acknowledge that he's only put about one quarter of decent play on tape out of four starts, even though it's fact. That doesn't mean he's not capable, it just means he's still learning. The injuries have put him behind schedule unfortunately. We got lucky to get Purdy, and that he's been so good.

Definitely lucky he's been this good but they weren't lucky to get him. When you are Mr. Irrelevent the reality is no one was all that interested in you.

It also speaks to how great Kyle is as an offensive mind.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
I like Trey, though I thought it was unwise to spend so many picks on him. I didn't think there was a qb worth that much capital. I think paying that much for the kid gave too many folks unrealistic expectations of him, considering his lack of experience. I think that's why we have some folks who refuse to acknowledge that he's only put about one quarter of decent play on tape out of four starts, even though it's fact. That doesn't mean he's not capable, it just means he's still learning. The injuries have put him behind schedule unfortunately. We got lucky to get Purdy, and that he's been so good.

Definitely lucky he's been this good but they weren't lucky to get him. When you are Mr. Irrelevent the reality is no one was all that interested in you.

It also speaks to how great Kyle is as an offensive mind.

Our scouts did a good job. We were lucky that other teams scouts wrote him off. Kyle does have a great offense mind but as we've seen many times, it takes a quarterback able to execute his vision on the field.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Our scouts did a good job. We were lucky that other teams scouts wrote him off. Kyle does have a great offense mind but as we've seen many times, it takes a quarterback able to execute his vision on the field.

"Our scouts." Do you have any link that supports that the head man didn't really want him and it was our scouts? (The same ones he approves of scouting for him so gets credit either way, btw)

Not sure if this was word salad or not,...but we wrote him off as well and if we didn't,...we wouldn'tve waited till the last pick in the draft to make a move on him. There's no need for the massive over and under selling of personnel regarding the last pick in the draft when history has shown us we can easily go another 20 yrs without having a good worthwhile draft pick @ the QB position with the same scouts.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:
id be thrilled if we traded him for Hunter though. That would be a good trade for us short term and potentially long term for minnesota. That market might be more forgiving than the 49ers base.

I mean you've already determined he's not a good player. Correct if wrong, but why are you looking to strike it big with a trade if this is your opinion?

Cause I think it would be a good trade? Lol if we just sent picks, great. As long as we don't trade an integral player, idc who or what it is. Just reports that they're interested in Trey.

landing a player like hunter would put us over the top and fill in our last question mark on defense. Essentially making our team complete from top to bottom (since we don't know what Jackson will be yet).

id rather have hunter instead of a back up qb. Having 3-4 quality backup QBs is great but I'm fine with 2-3 and a top tier pass rusher. I also choose to think optimistically and not assume 2-3 of our QBs are going to go down.

for as optimistic as some are that Trey is going to somehow start the first couple games, it's probably more likely he doesn't start any games this year at qb and his only plays are trick packages. Unless it's a blowout or Brock goes down again, and assuming he beats out darnold, is the only way I see him starting games for us.

Given how we went thru 3 QBs last year, and how multiple injuries to the QB position is a league-wide issue (which is why u can barely breathe on them these days),...your outlook is irrational.

And,...btw....you didnt piece together the logic of thinking he's such a bad player yet hoping for a great deal as a trade at the same time. Do you have some extra footage or intel on Trey that the other 31 teams do not have?

On multiple levels,...your pivoting stances just don't add up.

What does seem to be the case here (given the way your behavior's oblivious to it) is that you want to reduce the competition at the QB1 spot and QB2 spot as much as possible.

You want our players to work alot less harder this offseason to secure their places on the team @ the QB position. Which,...I've gotta say,...is kind of weird coming from a "fan" of the team and all. JMO

Irrational? Lol I don't think so. 12/30 teams last season started 3 or more QBs last season. 40% of the league. 8 teams didn't have their starters go down. Only 2 teams started four difference qbs. Four teams changed their starting qb 4+ times. Out of those 12 teams, only 3 made the playoffs (dolphins, Ravens, 49ers).

keep in mind, all of this is an anomaly. This is tied for the most starting QBs in a non strike shortened season. The last time this many injuries at qb happened was 2007. Not all the qb changes were injury either, a good chunk are because of bad qb play.

so to sit here and act like we need four QBs every season all the time, that's irrational. You do your best to have at least two guys you can rely on, mainly so you have a backup that can play a few games if the starter has to miss a few games.

To sit here and feel like everything is doomsday and we have to have 4 starting caliber QBs to compete, is a joke. Typically, if your starter goes down, you have a bare min chance of winning it all. Honestly, based on how darnold and Lance have played - we will be screwed if we are relying on them to take us all the way if Purdy gets reinjured. We have a stacked team but bad qb play and turnovers can screw that up really quick. Especially if the offense is barely scoring. We can sit here all day and fantasize about Trey "could possibly" do with CMC but he still hasn't done Jack and until then, it's non sense.

like I said before, only reason last season worked out for us is cause we had our QB depth chart backwards. We had the worst qb at QB1, second best at QB2, and our best at QB3. If we started the season with Purdy and he goes down week two, thenJimmy steps in and goes down 11 weeks later, only reason we would have a rational chance is cause jimmy won a lot of games and we would have to hope Trey doesn't screw things up. To think Trey could continue the win streak that Purdy did is irrational (based solely on his past play). He managed 2 touchdowns in three games. Lol and as many turnovers as Purdy had during all his starts in just three games. At best, we are most likely one and done in the playoffs if Trey is leading us down the stretch if his play in his three games is consistent with his future play.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Irrational? Lol I don't think so.

well alright,...it's the offseason so I'll play. Why do u not think so?

Originally posted by tankle104:
12/30 teams last season started 3 or more QBs last season. 40% of the league. 8 teams didn't have their starters go down. Only 2 teams started four difference qbs. Four teams changed their starting qb 4+ times. Out of those 12 teams, only 3 made the playoffs (dolphins, Ravens, 49ers).

keep in mind, all of this is an anomaly.

I know I'm jumping the gun before reading the rest, but what are u making an argument for? To not be well-prepared next year @ the QB position and get rid of one of them ASAP "just because" ?? Because again I stress,....you've made it pretty apparent here that your stance is you believe he has little value.

The frightfulness you have in him staying here and playing football with the other guys suggests otherwise, I have to admit. Because hoping for a great trade and being ASSURED that he's not going to be a great player is basically evidence of you disagreeing with yourself. Unless you feel you are just that much more prophetic and capable as an NFL GM and talent evaluator than the guys on 31 other teams doing such?

Originally posted by tankle104:
so to sit here and act like we need four QBs every season all the time, that's irrational.

Trey Lance and Brock are the only 2 holdovers from last year. That's 2,...not 4. You have yet to give the rationality of wanting to hurry and get rid of one of the 2, either.

Originally posted by tankle104:
You do your best to have at least two guys you can rely on

I've never heard of this spirit to give up on the QB position after the 1st 2 guys,...one of which you are eager to see shipped out. Where does this come from? Link?

Originally posted by tankle104:
To sit here and feel like everything is doomsday and we have to have 4 starting caliber QBs to compete, is a joke.

I guess I'll stop here,...as I'd say the poster that's rushing to rash trade proposals over and over with little thought offered in them is the one that's actually playing the "everything is doomsday" card.

Otherwise he'd chill out a bit and enjoy following the players on our team compete. I mean,...if there's no outside agenda or anything driving him.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Irrational? Lol I don't think so.

well alright,...it's the offseason so I'll play. Why do u not think so?

Originally posted by tankle104:
12/30 teams last season started 3 or more QBs last season. 40% of the league. 8 teams didn't have their starters go down. Only 2 teams started four difference qbs. Four teams changed their starting qb 4+ times. Out of those 12 teams, only 3 made the playoffs (dolphins, Ravens, 49ers).

keep in mind, all of this is an anomaly.

I know I'm jumping the gun before reading the rest, but what are u making an argument for? To not be well-prepared next year @ the QB position and get rid of one of them ASAP "just because" ?? Because again I stress,....you've made it pretty apparent here that your stance is you believe he has little value.

The frightfulness you have in him staying here and playing football with the other guys suggests otherwise, I have to admit. Because hoping for a great trade and being ASSURED that he's not going to be a great player is basically evidence of you disagreeing with yourself. Unless you feel you are just that much more prophetic and capable as an NFL GM and talent evaluator than the guys on 31 other teams doing such?

Originally posted by tankle104:
so to sit here and act like we need four QBs every season all the time, that's irrational.

Trey Lance and Brock are the only 2 holdovers from last year. That's 2,...not 4. You have yet to give the rationality of wanting to hurry and get rid of one of the 2, either.

Originally posted by tankle104:
You do your best to have at least two guys you can rely on

I've never heard of this spirit to give up on the QB position after the 1st 2 guys,...one of which you are eager to see shipped out. Where does this come from? Link?

Originally posted by tankle104:
To sit here and feel like everything is doomsday and we have to have 4 starting caliber QBs to compete, is a joke.

I guess I'll stop here,...as I'd say the poster that's rushing to rash trade proposals over and over with little thought offered in them is the one that's actually playing the "everything is doomsday" card.

Otherwise he'd chill out a bit and enjoy following the players on our team compete. I mean,...if there's no outside agenda or anything driving him.

Lol you're acting like I'm eager or want to trade Lance. I honestly couldn't care less about Lance right now cause he's not QB1. Idc if we trade him or not. I only care if he's starting over Purdy, that's it. Outside of that, he can sit on the bench for 3 more years for all I care - unless he develops and is better than Brock.

all I said was I would trade him to Minny, because reports have said they're interested in him, for Hunter. Lol and you act like I kicked your dog. Lol why do people take it personal when others don't like a QB that they do?

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol you're acting like I'm eager or want to trade Lance. I honestly couldn't care less about Lance right now cause he's not QB1. Idc if we trade him or not. I only care if he's starting over Purdy, that's it.

Why? It's pretty clear to everyone that he'd have to play really good to stay as a starter over Purdy.

Given that, why would you still care before he has a chance to actually show such in actual games?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol you're acting like I'm eager or want to trade Lance. I honestly couldn't care less about Lance right now cause he's not QB1. Idc if we trade him or not. I only care if he's starting over Purdy, that's it.

Why? It's pretty clear to everyone that he'd have to play really good to stay as a starter over Purdy.

Given that, why would you still care before he has a chance to actually show such in actual games?

Why? Because he hasn't been good? Right now if he was put as QB1 over a healthy Brock, would be dumb. Trey hasn't shown anything to start over a healthy Brock. Looking good in camp isn't the same as looking good in a game. Logic tells you that you continue to start the guy who's played at an extremely high level when it actually matters until he proves you otherwise. I also don't feel like watching a super inexperienced qb go out there with a great team and try to learn on the fly. I don't think Trey will be a dependable starter, specifically against good teams, for quite some time. So I view starting him as a waste of a great roster because he's still so raw. It's unfortunate he was injured last year. If we didn't have Brock, or a better option, then sure start him. Since we do, and his contract benefit is all messed up now, I don't see the point besides blind hope that he will all of a sudden become something he's never been.

If Brock goes out there and sucks, sure put lance in there.
Then if lance plays well, then I'll change my tune and admit I was wrong about him. This is assuming he beats out darnold.

are you thinking Trey is going to have some magical camp and take the starting spot? If you are, cool. Lol best of luck to you. i think you're assuming Purdy is going to miss all of training camp, I don't think that's going to happen either.

The way everything looks right now is that Brock will be QB1 and Darnold/Lance will battle for QB2 week 1. Whatever happens after that, happens. But I think that's the way it should be on the depth chart right now.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Why? Because he hasn't been good?

The coaches get to decide in practice who's been good enough to play or not.

If they grade him out as a player worthy of getting snaps, why would u be against what the coaches have chosen as the path we will head in?

What is your level of expertise? Or maybe you know some things that we and the coaches do not?

Or is it something else? If you are going to express a viewpoint over and over, at least bring something tangible with it.

You can cut straight to it or I'll simply assume the latter as I said b4.

Anytime there are young guys that I cant see day to day in practice,...I'll go with what the coaches are seeing. Whatever emotions I may be experiencing on a web page does not compare to their expertise or livelihoods at stake when they're filling out a depth chart. So @ the start of any season I toss out what's in my heart and go with those that have graded day in, day out, what I cannot see.

Regardless which side you may be on, this is what you call a logical take, tankle. You should try it.

Originally posted by random49er:
"Our scouts." Do you have any link that supports that the head man didn't really want him and it was our scouts? (The same ones he approves of scouting for him so gets credit either way, btw)

Not sure if this was word salad or not,...but we wrote him off as well and if we didn't,...we wouldn'tve waited till the last pick in the draft to make a move on him. There's no need for the massive over and under selling of personnel regarding the last pick in the draft when history has shown us we can easily go another 20 yrs without having a good worthwhile draft pick @ the QB position with the same scouts.

I'm sure it was a combination of scouts and Kyle. They didn't write him off, they spent the pick. It just goes to show what a complete crap shoot the draft is. No way Purdy goes anywhere near the dead last pick if anyone knew how his game would translate to the pros.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by random49er:
"Our scouts." Do you have any link that supports that the head man didn't really want him and it was our scouts? (The same ones he approves of scouting for him so gets credit either way, btw)

Not sure if this was word salad or not,...but we wrote him off as well and if we didn't,...we wouldn'tve waited till the last pick in the draft to make a move on him. There's no need for the massive over and under selling of personnel regarding the last pick in the draft when history has shown us we can easily go another 20 yrs without having a good worthwhile draft pick @ the QB position with the same scouts.

I'm sure it was a combination of scouts and Kyle. They didn't write him off, they spent the pick. It just goes to show what a complete crap shoot the draft is. No way Purdy goes anywhere near the dead last pick if anyone knew how his game would translate to the pros.

The story I read was that Kyle asked his guys to find a young qb that we could develop. I believe the two guys who spent the most time on it was Griese & Klay Kubiak. I may have that wrong but it was sometbing along those lines. They banged the table for Purdy and liked him so much that we chose to use our final pick on him instead of trying to get him as an UDFA. Kyle may of had a little to do with it but Lynch went out of his way to give those two credit for really doing all the work to find Purdy.

when Kyle is involved, he's actually pretty bad at drafting QBs. Best one he has ever got was Cousins. Lol which I don't think is a great thing. Lol every one else he has drafted has sucked or not shown anything yet. (He didn't really want RGIII but did good with him before his injury.)

brock said he didn't have any contact with anyone else in the organization besides Griese & Klay.

"QB coach, Brian Griese, who's a first-time coach at any

level, studied college QBs (about 15 in all) along with
assistant QB coach Klay Kubiak. They presented their
grades and evaluations to the rest of the staff before the
draft. The 49ers had Trey Lance, backup Nate Sudfeld
and plenty of other draft needs, but Griese and Kubiak
saw something in Purdy.
Griese is big on accuracy and intangibles, saying, "I think
accuracy is undervalued. I think leadership is
undervalued. I know that we valued the fact that Brock
was selfless. He was humble. Relationships mattered to
him."
I don't think the Niners would have drafted Purdy if not
for Brian Griese making a case to the staff."

Originally posted by tankle104:
The story I read was that Kyle asked his guys to find a young qb that we could develop. I believe the two guys who spent the most time on it was Griese & Klay Kubiak. I may have that wrong but it was sometbing along those lines. They banged the table for Purdy and liked him so much that we chose to use our final pick on him instead of trying to get him as an UDFA. Kyle may of had a little to do with it but Lynch went out of his way to give those two credit for really doing all the work to find Purdy.

when Kyle is involved, he's actually pretty bad at drafting QBs. Best one he has ever got was Cousins. Lol which I don't think is a great thing. Lol every one else he has drafted has sucked or not shown anything yet. (He didn't really want RGIII but did good with him before his injury.)

brock said he didn't have any contact with anyone else in the organization besides Griese & Klay.

"QB coach, Brian Griese, who's a first-time coach at any

level, studied college QBs (about 15 in all) along with
assistant QB coach Klay Kubiak. They presented their
grades and evaluations to the rest of the staff before the
draft. The 49ers had Trey Lance, backup Nate Sudfeld
and plenty of other draft needs, but Griese and Kubiak
saw something in Purdy.
Griese is big on accuracy and intangibles, saying, "I think
accuracy is undervalued. I think leadership is
undervalued. I know that we valued the fact that Brock
was selfless. He was humble. Relationships mattered to
him."
I don't think the Niners would have drafted Purdy if not
for Brian Griese making a case to the staff."

sometimes it takes a QB to know one

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:
The story I read was that Kyle asked his guys to find a young qb that we could develop. I believe the two guys who spent the most time on it was Griese & Klay Kubiak. I may have that wrong but it was sometbing along those lines. They banged the table for Purdy and liked him so much that we chose to use our final pick on him instead of trying to get him as an UDFA. Kyle may of had a little to do with it but Lynch went out of his way to give those two credit for really doing all the work to find Purdy.

when Kyle is involved, he's actually pretty bad at drafting QBs. Best one he has ever got was Cousins. Lol which I don't think is a great thing. Lol every one else he has drafted has sucked or not shown anything yet. (He didn't really want RGIII but did good with him before his injury.)

brock said he didn't have any contact with anyone else in the organization besides Griese & Klay.

"QB coach, Brian Griese, who's a first-time coach at any

level, studied college QBs (about 15 in all) along with
assistant QB coach Klay Kubiak. They presented their
grades and evaluations to the rest of the staff before the
draft. The 49ers had Trey Lance, backup Nate Sudfeld
and plenty of other draft needs, but Griese and Kubiak
saw something in Purdy.
Griese is big on accuracy and intangibles, saying, "I think
accuracy is undervalued. I think leadership is
undervalued. I know that we valued the fact that Brock
was selfless. He was humble. Relationships mattered to
him."
I don't think the Niners would have drafted Purdy if not
for Brian Griese making a case to the staff."

sometimes it takes a QB to know one

I think the scouts of all the other teams have scouted Brock Purdy on paper only so they all decided that if ever Purdy is going to a team, it would be as an undrafted free agent. However, someone or a couple from the 49ers organization had done a remarkable (or above and beyond) due diligence before submitting their scouting report about an under the radar QB who can be "The One".