QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
check out Matt M getting shot down by the club here

After seeking additional clarification on the report below, we have learned that the article put out by Matt Maiocco was an opinion piece and does not reflect the teams timelines or feelings on the QB position https://t.co/it1w6ECY9z

— 𝙏𝙝𝙚𝙎𝙁𝙉𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙧𝙨 (@TheSFNiners) June 6, 2023

Everyone wants to say they got the scoop 1st. Sad what things have become but luckily I filter 99% of it out.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
check out Matt M getting shot down by the club here

After seeking additional clarification on the report below, we have learned that the article put out by Matt Maiocco was an opinion piece and does not reflect the teams timelines or feelings on the QB position https://t.co/it1w6ECY9z

— 𝙏𝙝𝙚𝙎𝙁𝙉𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙧𝙨 (@TheSFNiners) June 6, 2023

Everyone wants to say they got the scoop 1st. Sad what things have become but luckily I filter 99% of it out.

Journalism is a sad business these days. It isn't about accuracy anymore but trying to get "close" and beat others to the punch. They don't even care if they're right because it'll generate clicks and controversy.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Again, he didn't get more then 100 passing attempts because he's been injured constantly..

For someone who preaches context, you refuse to use it here.

"Constantly" is some loose definition you've made up on your own. Kid is too young to suggest a couple injuries are "constant",...but you've aligned yourself in another camp so I guess he's your target, inexperienced or not. I got it.

But I do find it interesting to have never heard you discuss constant injuries for your aging vet guy that likes to hide every offseason if his money's secure. #JustSayin

Your still such a tool. Sad.
dude has had two surgeries on his foot and two on his finger and had a hurt knee after the Cards game.

So Yes, that's constant enough to prevent him from playing.

Maybe someday you'll get off your arrogant high horse and have some decent dialogue with people, but I doubt it.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by random49er:
No one watches NBA Drafts because they're mostly boring and all the pieces usually fall into place. With the NFL, you just never know,....and that's what draws everyone in.

Also rosters in the nfl are exponentially larger. So the amount of selections and players are a lot more. Nba draft is like 2 rounds and a majority don't make it.

The size of "NFL" rosters is not it,....as the duration of the draft is exponentially longer as well, and I can surely name you some things where there have been much larger drafts than NBA drafts and no one hardly cares.

"Amount" is not it and your totally off, tbh. Now NCAA rosters OTOH....

Because some late 6th round kid you've never heard about before, and the way he dominated his I-AA conference, and the way he was originally projected to go in the 3rd,...now that draws intrigue.

If we reduced it to discussing the 1st round (which was really what I was referencing),....everyone knows who the top several guys are already and no one really expects instant surprise performance out of those kids day 1 in the NBA. Development after years is a different subject.

The central point is the variability of how NFL Drafted kids have fairly good chances to be great players up and down several rounds of it is why we talk about it to begin with.

You take that away and we're mostly skipping it and waiting for the season (ala basketball).

It should surprise NO ONE by now that there can be busts or disappointment within the top 5 picks of the NFL draft. Happens all the time.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
This

I kind of see the comparison and I get what you guys are saying about 2017 Jimmy and Brock last season. This might just be me, but I think what Brock did showed a lot more and was a lot more then what Jimmy did for the following reasons:

1. Jimmy was not a rookie
2. We were already eliminated from the playoffs and playing for and with nothing to lose
3. We were used to awful QB play so Jimmy appeared much better then what he was, I mean 7 TDs to 5 Ints isn't world beating for me anyways. That said, I do think that 5 game stretch was some of the best Jimmy and it was an awesome feeling to have some hope at the position after years of crap.

Brock was a rookie 3rd stringer with the playoffs on the line. He broke records and did things during his run that I never seen Jimmy do during his entire tenure. I get the statistics and spray charts look similar and that's fine, I don't think how they looked on the field was similar if for nothing else the escapability/athleticism and pocket movement/awareness that Jimmy simply doesn't have.

Meh people are discounting what Jimmy did on a horrible roster, to prop up what Brock did on one of the best rosters in football (on both sides of the field)

I believe over Jimmy's last 5 games our defense had 7 TOs and over Brock's 8 games (not including the eagles game) our defense had 20 TOs

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Not to defend JG but in this scenario comparison, JG came into a totally new offense too and Brock had a full off season to at least learn and develop in. That's not to take away from what either did out of the gate but JG's was far more of a wing-it job just trying to execute a handful of plays each week while he crammed the rest of the time; hence why most plays ended up being off schedule backyard ball.

@NY LOL You literally discounted what Jimmy did in 2017 for some of the same reasons I gave, it's just a different day and different narrative that doesn't fit for you now. You know it, be real and own it. I ain't discounting what Jimmy did, people's trying to compare Jimmy in 2017 to Brock last season is kind of silly to me and I pointed out reasons why, that's it. Sure Brock had the better roster and we beat the piss outta teams as such. 2017 we weren't doing that, hell most of Jimmy's tenure we weren't doing that, can't even count the amount of cardiac games came with him and FGs deciding it. You know, conversations you were a part of ridiculing him and his average play being part of the reason the offense was held back. Brock ran the offense in a way Jimmy could only dream and if anyone couldn't see that then I really don't know what to say.

@NC JG came into a totally new offense? Well Brock came into a totally new league as a freaking 7th round rookie 3rd stringer, yup plenty of learning and reps he got for half the season before starting lol. JG absolutely was a wing it job cause as I said there was nothing to play for. The playoffs were on the line for Brock, for me that means more than the latter.

Originally posted by random49er:
7 TDs, 5 INTs in 5 games isin't spectacular.

And he certainly didn't turn around the entire franchise. Kyle Shanahan has, though.

Sorry that I gotta play hindsight police but let's keep the truth in the field of play.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Again, he didn't get more then 100 passing attempts because he's been injured constantly..

For someone who preaches context, you refuse to use it here.

"Constantly" is some loose definition you've made up on your own. Kid is too young to suggest a couple injuries are "constant",...but you've aligned yourself in another camp so I guess he's your target, inexperienced or not. I got it.

But I do find it interesting to have never heard you discuss constant injuries for your aging vet guy that likes to hide every offseason if his money's secure. #JustSayin

dude has had two surgeries on his foot and two on his finger and had a hurt knee after the Cards game.

So Yes, that's constant enough to prevent him from playing.

Maybe someday you'll get off your arrogant high horse and have some decent dialogue with people, but I doubt it.

I edited out the personal insult you directed at me so we can have decent dialogue. Now about the team and opinions...

Kid's had 2 yrs,....little college experienced suggested Jimmy should start day one of his 1st year already.

After 2 years in the NFL,....sorry man but gotta call you out on that one regarding the "constant injuries" thing. It just doesn't or hold weight, especially when you never used this in your reasoning from the guy that supposedly turned around our franchise (this is a gross rewrite of history).

I see no need to campaign for the likely starter if Trey just doesn't go out there and show he deserves the job.

They held onto him this offseason and we'll see if he gives them a reason to not rush Brock back. They'd love nothing more for him to continue to develop, and it'd introduce a good problem in SF for once.

So I just don't align myself with the camp mentality for 2 relatively inexperienced NFL players where you gotta knock one down with exaggerations to hoist the other up.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
@NY LOL You literally discounted what Jimmy did in 2017 for some of the same reasons I gave, it's just a different day and different narrative that doesn't fit for you now. You know it, be real and own it. I ain't discounting what Jimmy did, people's trying to compare Jimmy in 2017 to Brock last season is kind of silly to me and I pointed out reasons why, that's it. Sure Brock had the better roster and we beat the piss outta teams as such. 2017 we weren't doing that, hell most of Jimmy's tenure we weren't doing that, can't even count the amount of cardiac games came with him and FGs deciding it. You know, conversations you were a part of ridiculing him and his average play being part of the reason the offense was held back. Brock ran the offense in a way Jimmy could only dream and if anyone couldn't see that then I really don't know what to say.

@NC JG came into a totally new offense? Well Brock came into a totally new league as a freaking 7th round rookie 3rd stringer, yup plenty of learning and reps he got for half the season before starting lol. JG absolutely was a wing it job cause as I said there was nothing to play for. The playoffs were on the line for Brock, for me that means more than the latter.

What are you talking about? I just provided data of what he did for that team back in 2017. You can't change that no matter what you try to say about me.

overall we know what Jimmy turned into. Doesn't mean Brock will do the same. Also doesn't mean he's gonna be some HOF level either. We all loved Kap then he got figured out. s**t happens man.

Originally posted by tankle104:
He has been injured consistently.

I dont have enough games of him here in the NFL as an expected starter to make such a drastic claim. If you feel that you have, lol, I'm certainly not here trying to change your mind.

But I will point out that to level-headed onlookers, more time is needed from both of our guys before drastic, length-of-career suggestions are made about them.

Heck,...Jalen Hurts looked like an MVP candidate that nearly won it all this year and I'm still not gonna pretend like I'm completely sold on just "who he is" as a player because I've seen these kinds of stories before not end all that great.

Mahomes? I've seen him with multiple squads, year-by-year, perform great. There's just no doubt about him whether he's still young or not.

If you are a young kid and new to the NFL then I get your unwillingness to wait before making drastic forecasts with little footage.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by random49er:
7 TDs, 5 INTs in 5 games isin't spectacular.

And he certainly didn't turn around the entire franchise. Kyle Shanahan has, though.

Sorry that I gotta play hindsight police but let's keep the truth in the field of play.

These FACTS say differently



not even remotely close to the same talent level that Brock has. Our D got 7 TOs during JG's 5 games. During Brock's 8 games they got TWENTY. Don't tell me for one second that doesn't play a part in TDs and INTs.

wasn't one damn fan that wasn't stoked for Jimmy after those games. Trying to s**t on what he did because you don't like him or think Brock is special is silly….you know how I feel about Jimmy but I can admit he did his thing in 2017. He ALSO got away with some almost INTs much like BCB did. That s**t is volatile, clearly.

Yeah we go through the 2,000ish range of the Jimmy thread and I was generally an outcast because I suggested that "hey.....maybe u guys want to wait before projecting him as some franchise QB with tons of potential?"

Jimmy did nothing special in 2017. Crazy exaggeration stories beyond him simply playing better than who we had in there before and we won. I have the 5 games here on record and I've watched them all several times just to see him look like Fran Tarkenton or something out there,...but it just didnt show up on film. The team did improve with him under helm, however. We can certainly say that.

Would be great if he could serve as a lesson to those that want to make these guys into more (or less) than they are at the moment, but egos gonna ego.

We can talk about all 3 of these guys,...the same constant denominator holds true: Wait it out. Fistfights over which kid should really get playing time is not going to change anything,...lol.

Originally posted by random49er:
Everyone wants to say they got the scoop 1st. Sad what things have become but luckily I filter 99% of it out.

For clarity, they misquoted or misreported what Maiocco said, and Maiocco corrected their post himself.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by random49er:
Everyone wants to say they got the scoop 1st. Sad what things have become but luckily I filter 99% of it out.

For clarity, they misquoted or misreported what Maiocco said, and Maiocco corrected their post himself.

Yeah but u look at some his other quotes and he's playing the same games that I admit he probably doesn't want to play.

It's just the way sports journalism is these days. I mean no one's waiting for morning newspaper articles anymore.

Trey getting 1st team reps tomorrow, can't wait to see what he does with them.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
@NY LOL You literally discounted what Jimmy did in 2017 for some of the same reasons I gave, it's just a different day and different narrative that doesn't fit for you now. You know it, be real and own it. I ain't discounting what Jimmy did, people's trying to compare Jimmy in 2017 to Brock last season is kind of silly to me and I pointed out reasons why, that's it. Sure Brock had the better roster and we beat the piss outta teams as such. 2017 we weren't doing that, hell most of Jimmy's tenure we weren't doing that, can't even count the amount of cardiac games came with him and FGs deciding it. You know, conversations you were a part of ridiculing him and his average play being part of the reason the offense was held back. Brock ran the offense in a way Jimmy could only dream and if anyone couldn't see that then I really don't know what to say.

@NC JG came into a totally new offense? Well Brock came into a totally new league as a freaking 7th round rookie 3rd stringer, yup plenty of learning and reps he got for half the season before starting lol. JG absolutely was a wing it job cause as I said there was nothing to play for. The playoffs were on the line for Brock, for me that means more than the latter.

What are you talking about? I just provided data of what he did for that team back in 2017. You can't change that no matter what you try to say about me.

overall we know what Jimmy turned into. Doesn't mean Brock will do the same. Also doesn't mean he's gonna be some HOF level either. We all loved Kap then he got figured out. s**t happens man.

Lol how convenient to leave out the part where you said people are trying to minimize or discount what Jimmy did on a horrible roster to prop up what Brock did on a stacked roster. And just FYI, I been on the wait and see camp, neither labeling Brock or even Lance a HOF level QB or bust