QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Allowing the kid to play and being patient while he develops is what I've always said. Ya'll wanted instant success the moment he got on the field. He sat for multiple yrs not playing…yeah sure that will totally make him better at playing football

Half of you don't even remember the last time we spent legit draft capital on a QB. The ones that do, say Alex stunk in part because the team was junk and we had a revolving coaching staff…then ya'll say Lance CAN'T play on a good roster with a stable coaching staff lol. You were ready to toss him in the trash after 30 passing attempts this yr….I've never seen such a flip flop in my life. Went from MVP 5,000 yards and 40TDs to trash in a little over 4QRs of football lol. Patience, yeah right.

As usual, you are missing the salient point here. As has been discussed ad nauseum around here, if the 49ers were the Jags, or the Bears, people may have had been more on board with that philosophy. But the 49ers weren't the Jags or the Bears and they had a Super Bowl caliber roster with a lot of their best players in their prime years. Plus, they already had a QB on the roster who had the support of a large majority of the players and was someone they thought they could win with. Do you really think the team was interested in turning that roster over to a kid who had less experience than ANY QB who has ever been drafted in the first round in the modern era?

There was NEVER a chance that Lance was going to start that year, barring an injury, or the team missing out on the playoffs, so to try and argue that he should have been given the starter's role so that he could "develop" is just misguided and shows a fundamental lack of understanding about the dynamics around the team for the last few years. Of course, then the team tried to speed up the process by anointing him the starter the next year without the benefit of him actually having earned the job. Which apparently, pissed off the football gods enough to allow Purdy to step in and steal his thunder. Lance may end up just being a victim of bad luck. But at the moment, he still has an opportunity to step up and show what he is capable of.

LOL

So, you write off Trey's potential his rookie season, suggesting that he shouldn't play under most circumstances, then criticize him for not proving himself before the start of his second season.

...as usual...

am I the only one who thought the plan for Trey was fair and correct? He shouldn't of been starting his rookie year with someone like Jimmy here, he was very capable of leading this roster to a super bowl. If Jimmy wasn't here, or someone of his caliber, then sure. Trey is/was extremely green, specifically his rookie year, so sitting him wasn't a bad thing. He was just coming off COVID year where he hadn't played and was new to this level of play.

Then we literally handed him the starting job his second year, which I'm not saying in a negative, it was time to see what he had and give him the experience he needs. I think everyone, including Kyle, understood it would be up and down. He just got hurt very early in the season and someone came in and replaced him - then played at a very high level. It really is that simple.

It's unfortunate for Trey but its the reality of sports. Happens all the time at every position. The way I look at it, is if Trey is this special player some thinkg he is, it'll shine through and he will force his way onto the field. He shouldn't need to be given an opportunity to get on the field if he is special. He should be able to take it. I don't beleive in this whole "Kyle won't develop anyone". He had a multi year plan in place for Trey and Trey kept getting injured. it sucks for Trey but he's in year three and isn't the best QB on the roster. He has to beat out another young talented kid who has delivered in his opportunities.

I love Brock and everything about his character and game. I love Trey's character and like his physical skill set. It doesn't matter who I personally think will end up being better, but I think through competition - the best player short and long term will take the reins. Unless everyone just keeps getting injured, then we will just keep falling short every year. lol which would blow.

Originally posted by 49erF90:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Allowing the kid to play and being patient while he develops is what I've always said. Ya'll wanted instant success the moment he got on the field. He sat for multiple yrs not playing…yeah sure that will totally make him better at playing football

Half of you don't even remember the last time we spent legit draft capital on a QB. The ones that do, say Alex stunk in part because the team was junk and we had a revolving coaching staff…then ya'll say Lance CAN'T play on a good roster with a stable coaching staff lol. You were ready to toss him in the trash after 30 passing attempts this yr….I've never seen such a flip flop in my life. Went from MVP 5,000 yards and 40TDs to trash in a little over 4QRs of football lol. Patience, yeah right.

As usual, you are missing the salient point here. As has been discussed ad nauseum around here, if the 49ers were the Jags, or the Bears, people may have had been more on board with that philosophy. But the 49ers weren't the Jags or the Bears and they had a Super Bowl caliber roster with a lot of their best players in their prime years. Plus, they already had a QB on the roster who had the support of a large majority of the players and was someone they thought they could win with. Do you really think the team was interested in turning that roster over to a kid who had less experience than ANY QB who has ever been drafted in the first round in the modern era?

There was NEVER a chance that Lance was going to start that year, barring an injury, or the team missing out on the playoffs, so to try and argue that he should have been given the starter's role so that he could "develop" is just misguided and shows a fundamental lack of understanding about the dynamics around the team for the last few years. Of course, then the team tried to speed up the process by anointing him the starter the next year without the benefit of him actually having earned the job. Which apparently, pissed off the football gods enough to allow Purdy to step in and steal his thunder. Lance may end up just being a victim of bad luck. But at the moment, he still has an opportunity to step up and show what he is capable of.

Literally every highly drafted QB becomes the presumed starter at some point. This is the first fanbase in the history of the sport to complain about their first round QB not earning the job. Who else was going to be the starter?

It's true. I totally agree that after drafting Trey he is going to replace Jimmy as the eventual starter, however, Brock happened. That changed the course of 49ers history. That made us different from the normal that other teams have normally done when it comes to drafting a high first round QB. And majority of the posters here, majority of the beat writers, and the 49er players, coaches, owner and front office people seemed to be all unanimously supportive of Brock if Brock is declared as the presumptive QB1. But I also think that Trey Lance will be given the chance to compete. I believe the team will make sure that no stones are left unturned when it comes to choosing the right QB1. But because of Brock, the supposedly time allotted for Lance to develop, the opportunity to get as many real gametime snaps as possible where gaining the necessary experience supersedes game results, that's not gonna happen anymore. That's Trey's biggest challenge, he needs to show and produce that the crown belongs to him without the special privileges normally given to a first round draft QB.

Trey was given the starting position? his second year, he was the unquestioned starter and they announced he would be the starter before training camp even started. They were really clear about it. he just got injured and we stumbled into a 7th round pick playing at a high level. Now it's year three and we know as much as we did about him on the day we drafted him. So now it's more of a situation where he has to compete for the spot. that's all it is. If brock played average or so - trey would of got the spot back unquestioned.

it's hard to just not give Brock a chance when he's drastically outplayed Lance and Brock's contract gives the team a massive edge going forward. We've essentially lost all the benefits of a rookie scale contract with Lance because he didn't year 1 and was injured year 2. He's very green - so his second year was critical. It isn't his fault, its unfortunate, but i think that is just the reality of the situation.

If I was running the team, just handing Trey the job back wouldn't even be in the realm of thought. that's bad business. Either Trey steps up and competes at a high level or he doesn't. If he's a stud, it'll happen. or if Brock is a stud, he will keep the job.

Originally posted by tankle104:
am I the only one who thought the plan for Trey was fair and correct? He shouldn't of been starting his rookie year with someone like Jimmy here, he was very capable of leading this roster to a super bowl. If Jimmy wasn't here, or someone of his caliber, then sure. Trey is/was extremely green, specifically his rookie year, so sitting him wasn't a bad thing. He was just coming off COVID year where he hadn't played and was new to this level of play.

Then we literally handed him the starting job his second year, which I'm not saying in a negative, it was time to see what he had and give him the experience he needs. I think everyone, including Kyle, understood it would be up and down. He just got hurt very early in the season and someone came in and replaced him - then played at a very high level. It really is that simple.

It's unfortunate for Trey but its the reality of sports. Happens all the time at every position. The way I look at it, is if Trey is this special player some thinkg he is, it'll shine through and he will force his way onto the field. He shouldn't need to be given an opportunity to get on the field if he is special. He should be able to take it. I don't beleive in this whole "Kyle won't develop anyone". He had a multi year plan in place for Trey and Trey kept getting injured. it sucks for Trey but he's in year three and isn't the best QB on the roster. He has to beat out another young talented kid who has delivered in his opportunities.

I love Brock and everything about his character and game. I love Trey's character and like his physical skill set. It doesn't matter who I personally think will end up being better, but I think through competition - the best player short and long term will take the reins. Unless everyone just keeps getting injured, then we will just keep falling short every year. lol which would blow.

The organization expressed they wanted to move off Jimmy the entire 2020 offseason looking for every QB under the sun to replace him. Kyle should've took his chances and started fresh with his new QB that he drafted. And traded all their draft capital for. Even Kyle said after the AZ game that Trey played well enough to win. In hindsight I think it was a mistake rolling with Jimmy again since the team didn't make it or win the SB in 2021. Thus wasting a year of Trey's development. I don't understand why they went the Mahomes route with him considering he had such little experience and needed the reps. But then again he might've gotten hurt his rookie year regardless and probably wouldn't have played a lot so who knows. I just don't agree with the approach they took with Trey his rookie year. At least if he played his rookie year we would have some sort of idea what kind of player he is at this point.

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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Every third post of his refers to jimmy which I think is weird af..
dude just can't move on

Because the guy who's trying to take a shot at Trey excused every mistake Jimmy ever made.

Perhaps those bashing Trey about a game from 2022 should move on too?

Treys a player on this team, Jimmy is not.
I understand doing it a few times through the last months but to still do it…
I don't get it, but you do you!
👍👍

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by tankle104:
am I the only one who thought the plan for Trey was fair and correct? He shouldn't of been starting his rookie year with someone like Jimmy here, he was very capable of leading this roster to a super bowl. If Jimmy wasn't here, or someone of his caliber, then sure. Trey is/was extremely green, specifically his rookie year, so sitting him wasn't a bad thing. He was just coming off COVID year where he hadn't played and was new to this level of play.

Then we literally handed him the starting job his second year, which I'm not saying in a negative, it was time to see what he had and give him the experience he needs. I think everyone, including Kyle, understood it would be up and down. He just got hurt very early in the season and someone came in and replaced him - then played at a very high level. It really is that simple.

It's unfortunate for Trey but its the reality of sports. Happens all the time at every position. The way I look at it, is if Trey is this special player some thinkg he is, it'll shine through and he will force his way onto the field. He shouldn't need to be given an opportunity to get on the field if he is special. He should be able to take it. I don't beleive in this whole "Kyle won't develop anyone". He had a multi year plan in place for Trey and Trey kept getting injured. it sucks for Trey but he's in year three and isn't the best QB on the roster. He has to beat out another young talented kid who has delivered in his opportunities.

I love Brock and everything about his character and game. I love Trey's character and like his physical skill set. It doesn't matter who I personally think will end up being better, but I think through competition - the best player short and long term will take the reins. Unless everyone just keeps getting injured, then we will just keep falling short every year. lol which would blow.

The organization expressed they wanted to move off Jimmy the entire 2020 offseason looking for every QB under the sun to replace him. Kyle should've took his chances and started fresh with his new QB that he drafted. And traded all their draft capital for. Even Kyle said after the AZ game that Trey played well enough to win. In hindsight I think it was a mistake rolling with Jimmy again since the team didn't make it or win the SB in 2021. Thus wasting a year of Trey's development. I don't understand why they went the Mahomes route with him considering he had such little experience and needed the reps. But then again he might've gotten hurt his rookie year regardless and probably wouldn't have played a lot so who knows. I just don't agree with the approach they took with Trey his rookie year. At least if he played his rookie year we would have some sort of idea what kind of player he is at this point.

I don't think Trey played well at all in the Arizona game. It was his first game so I cut him slack but it wasn't winning football at all to me. I have no issue with Trey not playing because o think Jimmy gave us the best chance.

it's easy to see what we "should" have done in hindsight, which I still disagree starting Trey was the right thing. Only way to say it was the right thing was because Jimmy was super injured - separated throwing shoulder and torn ligament in his throwing hand. He actually played really well considering.

i didn't think Trey was ready then at all. I still have my doubts he is ready. I'd like to see him play but not at the expense of Purdy. I just think he was a bad pick based on where we were as an organization. Taking an extremely raw qb with a super bowl ready roster? I always thought it was strange but the ultimate issue is Trey hasn't been able to stay healthy.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
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QB2OTF

Originally posted by napo:
Trey's value will obviously depend on how he performs in preseason. If he shines, could even be a number one. If not, who knows.

Practices > Preseason.

Preseason's only what we're allowed to see before things kick off.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
crazy how a mr irrelevant will supplant a 3rd overall pick

I mean if you've been following the draft for years....

No one watches NBA Drafts because they're mostly boring and all the pieces usually fall into place. With the NFL, you just never know,....and that's what draws everyone in.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Jimmy! Jimmy!

All he does is win.

Originally posted by random49er:
No one watches NBA Drafts because they're mostly boring and all the pieces usually fall into place. With the NFL, you just never know,....and that's what draws everyone in.

Also rosters in the nfl are exponentially larger. So the amount of selections and players are a lot more. Nba draft is like 2 rounds and a majority don't make it.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Again, he didn't get more then 100 passing attempts because he's been injured constantly..

For someone who preaches context, you refuse to use it here.

"Constantly" is some loose definition you've made up on your own. Kid is too young to suggest a couple injuries are "constant",...but you've aligned yourself in another camp so I guess he's your target, inexperienced or not. I got it.

But I do find it interesting to have never heard you discuss constant injuries for your aging vet guy that likes to hide every offseason if his money's secure. #JustSayin

Originally posted by Furlow:
I don't see anyone diminishing what Jimmy did. He was spectacular in 2017 and turned around the entire franchise with his play and leadership.

Purdy is simply better.

7 TDs, 5 INTs in 5 games isin't spectacular.

And he certainly didn't turn around the entire franchise. Kyle Shanahan has, though.

Sorry that I gotta play hindsight police but let's keep the truth in the field of play.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Again, he didn't get more then 100 passing attempts because he's been injured constantly..

For someone who preaches context, you refuse to use it here.

"Constantly" is some loose definition you've made up on your own. Kid is too young to suggest a couple injuries are "constant",...but you've aligned yourself in another camp so I guess he's your target, inexperienced or not. I got it.

But I do find it interesting to have never heard you discuss constant injuries for your aging vet guy that likes to hide every offseason if his money's secure. #JustSayin

He has been injured consistently. Three injuries and three full games. I don't blame Lance for them, it's unfortunate but it's def hampered his growth.

the finger injury has obviously been an issue since before his rookie season began. Then he had a knee injury that compounded things. Then his ankle was broken and dislocated - which ended his entire year.

Without the finger injury and/or knee, there is a chance he plays more his rookie year. Without the broken ankle, he obviously plays more. That's hampering his growth. He's been injury prone.