QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Well, I don't agree with that entirely. If Purdy comes out looking like a Pro Bowl and we're offered a first or more for Trey, I think that's a good enough reason to do it.

Have we learned nothing from last year? Well, the team seems to have because despite having four qb's on the books I see they are putting a fifth through his paces.

What did we learn? That it's good to have a starting caliber backup with years in the system, and a 3rd stringer that's capable of playing better than the vet backup?

It's not the same this year. If Brock goes down we are screwed. Loading up on journeymen and retreads behind our starter isn't the same as having Jimmy/Brock as backups

Originally posted by KiwiM3:
In my view Brock is a LONG way ahead of the other two in Kyle's mind. He's played QB at the highest level since Shanahan arrived as a rookie who only got limited reps/scout team reps. It was remarkable.

The wildcard being the injuries with Brock - not just the elbow but the oblique he played through too - he got injured twice in just 8 or 9 games. Brock needs to prove he can play a full season.

Unfortunately I don't see how Lance can improve enough just through training camp and preseason - I just don't think it's enough to move the needle. Realistically his best chance is to win the backup job and given how often Kyle's QBs get injured an opportunity could well open up during the season.

They may like Darnold but the turnovers have plagued him everywhere he has been - USC, Jets, Panthers. Hard to imagine that's going to suddenly change. A huge upgrade on Josh Johnson though.

I agree with your assessment with Lance. I don't see how he gets that starting gig in the off season. I think brock has earned the right to be QB1 for sure. I also don't think he's earned the right to play bad football and not get benched at some point. What he did was very good….is it maintainable? I'm not sure. I hope so.

Like I said, things like TD% and TD/INT ratio are very fluid. Those are things that can fluctuate greatly yr to yr…if we actually watch Brock's film overall there's some questionable things (much like Jimmy in 2017) that simply went his way. That s**t can change quickly. Those dropped INTs or missed reads can become issues. He's got a problem throwing to the right side of the field…Now he's got a full offseason of not developing as a QB but trying to get healthy.

we will see. I will root for whomever is the guy. I also don't think any guy gets to play though bad football on this team. In fact I've been told that for years now in here with Lance. He wasn't allowed to develop on a SB roster. That narrative shouldn't change because the QB they want is now starting. Just my two cents

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yeah but Jimmy G was throwing an f ton of interceptions in 2017. 2.8%. Purdy's was 2.4%, which isn't incredible, but it's better. Especially when you add the TD% values of 3.9% vs 7.6%.

But yeah he's got to prove it for the long haul to maintain his grip on the role. As any of them would.

Jimmy G was also throwing balls to Goodwin and Kendrick borne. The roster he was on isn't on the same planet as what Brock had…

things like TD% and TD/INT ratio aren't stats that carry over yr to yr. I saw plenty of dropped INTs, tipped balls that just didn't get caught, underthrows/late throws 50/50 balls etc. can we expect guys like Deebo/CMC/Kittle to just break loose for 30+ TDs all the time? Jimmy sure as s**t didn't have that in 2017. I thought Brock was great in the RZ. Will he maintain that play or will teams figure him out there?

it's all questionable stuff and worth talking about. Like you said It's not like he had a full yr of football. It was 170 passing attempts. Now he can't even work on stuff in the off season.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Honestly, if JG's 2017 season didn't exist, it would be a lot easier to get excited about Brock. I'm not interested in going through that again. There's nothing worse than being locked into a mediocre QB that's not good enough to get the team over the hump, but is too good (or expensive) to get rid of. Now, Brock may be different from Jimmy, but it is hard not to see the parallels between the two at this point.

The easiest way to dismiss your concerns and the parallels between Jimmy G and Purdy is that the team is not locked into Purdy long term. He's not being given a long term deal at the top of the market like Jimmy received, after a small sample. The team can easily pivot away from Purdy and go in a different direction if he struggles, at essentially zero cost to the team. If Purdy plays like Jimmy G (post 2017) going forward, we'll look to replace him just as we did with actual Jimmy G. Hopefully, if that becomes a need, they do a better job than they did the first time.

While it's true that we're not currently locked into Brock, that doesn't make it easier to get excited or buy into him being the guy at this point. It only means the risk is not the same from a contract perspective, though any time invested in a QB is costly at this point in the team's window if he ends up not being an elite QB.

The bigger point is that Jimmy was incredible in 2017 and then underwhelming (but not terrible) going forward. Brock was incredible in 2022 and we don't know yet what he'll be going forward, but the prior experience with Jimmy is reason enough to not feel overly enthusiastic about him until we get a larger sample size.

I've just learned to wait a little bit before putting all my eggs in one QB basket. Same s**t with Kap.

our fan base is thirsty for a FQB. There's no patience at all. I get it

Originally posted by 49ers808:
This

I kind of see the comparison and I get what you guys are saying about 2017 Jimmy and Brock last season. This might just be me, but I think what Brock did showed a lot more and was a lot more then what Jimmy did for the following reasons:

1. Jimmy was not a rookie
2. We were already eliminated from the playoffs and playing for and with nothing to lose
3. We were used to awful QB play so Jimmy appeared much better then what he was, I mean 7 TDs to 5 Ints isn't world beating for me anyways. That said, I do think that 5 game stretch was some of the best Jimmy and it was an awesome feeling to have some hope at the position after years of crap.

Brock was a rookie 3rd stringer with the playoffs on the line. He broke records and did things during his run that I never seen Jimmy do during his entire tenure. I get the statistics and spray charts look similar and that's fine, I don't think how they looked on the field was similar if for nothing else the escapability/athleticism and pocket movement/awareness that Jimmy simply doesn't have.

Meh people are discounting what Jimmy did on a horrible roster, to prop up what Brock did on one of the best rosters in football (on both sides of the field)

I believe over Jimmy's last 5 games our defense had 7 TOs and over Brock's 8 games (not including the eagles game) our defense had 20 TOs

Jimmy! Jimmy!

Originally posted by Furlow:
Jimmy! Jimmy!

Wellll…most of the people that are going nuts over Brock just migrated off the Jimmy train. They're now diminishing what they were so "convicted" in with Jimmy to prop up BCB. It's pretty wild actually lol.

But yes it's the Brock thread.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Jimmy! Jimmy!

Wellll…most of the people that are going nuts over Brock just migrated off the Jimmy train. They're now diminishing what they were so "convicted" in with Jimmy to prop up BCB. It's pretty wild actually lol.

But yes it's the Brock thread.

def bizarro world on both sides

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Jimmy! Jimmy!

Wellll…most of the people that are going nuts over Brock just migrated off the Jimmy train. They're now diminishing what they were so "convicted" in with Jimmy to prop up BCB. It's pretty wild actually lol.

But yes it's the Brock thread.

def bizarro world on both sides

I liked jimmy and still like jimmy. He didn't turn out to be what I was hoping, he never seemed to have improved his game, that's what frustrated me about him.

im high on Brock though. Hoping he doesn't plateau like jimmy did.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
This

I kind of see the comparison and I get what you guys are saying about 2017 Jimmy and Brock last season. This might just be me, but I think what Brock did showed a lot more and was a lot more then what Jimmy did for the following reasons:

1. Jimmy was not a rookie
2. We were already eliminated from the playoffs and playing for and with nothing to lose
3. We were used to awful QB play so Jimmy appeared much better then what he was, I mean 7 TDs to 5 Ints isn't world beating for me anyways. That said, I do think that 5 game stretch was some of the best Jimmy and it was an awesome feeling to have some hope at the position after years of crap.

Brock was a rookie 3rd stringer with the playoffs on the line. He broke records and did things during his run that I never seen Jimmy do during his entire tenure. I get the statistics and spray charts look similar and that's fine, I don't think how they looked on the field was similar if for nothing else the escapability/athleticism and pocket movement/awareness that Jimmy simply doesn't have.

Meh people are discounting what Jimmy did on a horrible roster, to prop up what Brock did on one of the best rosters in football (on both sides of the field)

I believe over Jimmy's last 5 games our defense had 7 TOs and over Brock's 8 games (not including the eagles game) our defense had 20 TOs

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Not to defend JG but in this scenario comparison, JG came into a totally new offense too and Brock had a full off season to at least learn and develop in. That's not to take away from what either did out of the gate but JG's was far more of a wing-it job just trying to execute a handful of plays each week while he crammed the rest of the time; hence why most plays ended up being off schedule backyard ball.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Jimmy! Jimmy!

Wellll…most of the people that are going nuts over Brock just migrated off the Jimmy train. They're now diminishing what they were so "convicted" in with Jimmy to prop up BCB. It's pretty wild actually lol.

But yes it's the Brock thread.

def bizarro world on both sides

I liked jimmy and still like jimmy. He didn't turn out to be what I was hoping, he never seemed to have improved his game, that's what frustrated me about him.

im high on Brock though. Hoping he doesn't plateau like jimmy did.

I'm VERY curious to see how Brock responds now that Kyle will have a full plan for him. Will he regress some while over thinking and trying to execute it exactly like it's drawn up and coached? Or is he already past that phase and now it's starting to slow down for him? I can't wait.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Jimmy! Jimmy!

Wellll…most of the people that are going nuts over Brock just migrated off the Jimmy train. They're now diminishing what they were so "convicted" in with Jimmy to prop up BCB. It's pretty wild actually lol.

But yes it's the Brock thread.

def bizarro world on both sides

I liked jimmy and still like jimmy. He didn't turn out to be what I was hoping, he never seemed to have improved his game, that's what frustrated me about him.

im high on Brock though. Hoping he doesn't plateau like jimmy did.

I'm VERY curious to see how Brock responds now that Kyle will have a full plan for him. Will he regress some while over thinking and trying to execute it exactly like it's drawn up and coached? Or is he already past that phase and now it's starting to slow down for him? I can't wait.

This is always an issue with young QBs. Actually even vets can be up one year and down the next. We all want Brock to come back and have a good year but I don't care whether it's him, Trey or even Darnold.

I can't help wondering if the reasons Brock lasted until the final pick will surface this year. It was a great story but every team passed him by for some reason. So far he's made them look silly but the fact is he's not big, he doesn't have a cannon for an rm and he's not fast. His biggest strength is his ability to spot open receivers. Can that continue to carry him? I don't know which is why I'm not getting my hopes too high.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by KiwiM3:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Rumors indicate he was one game away from benching Jimmy.

49ers would have been 2-5 if Jimmy had lost (5 straight losses)

That's different from a couple of bad games.

He rode with Jimmy through 4 straight losses.

Yes, that is correct. I'm not saying two games and Purdy gets benched, the other guy was. But he doesn't have an infinite leash, and how long that leash is depends on how well Trey and Sam are doing in camp and in the pre-season.

I never said two games either. None of these dudes are gonna get the leeway to play through bad football though. That was my point…we couldn't even allow a QB as young an inexperienced as Lance, whom they made the biggest trade in franchise history for, get more than 100 passing attempts fans couldn't even fathom the idea of him developing on a good roster…I was told he should be on a bad roster with no expectations lol.

I brought up Trevor Lawrence and his disgustingly bad first 100 passing attempts (really his first yr was awful). The response was oh the team was bad lol.

I tell ya man some of the nonsense in the QB threads is just too much sometimes.

Again, he didn't get more then 100 passing attempts because he's been injured constantly..

For someone who preaches context, you refuse to use it here.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Again, he didn't get more then 100 passing attempts because he's been injured constantly..

For someone who preaches context, you refuse to use it here.

Which has what to do with what I said? We're talking about 100 passing attempts. I brought up a player who was regarded as a generational talent and his first 100 passing attempts (and how f**king horrible it looked). I can provide a list of young QBs and their s**tty first 100 passing attempts if you'd like? That's all we have to establish anything on him…basically nothing and people are cool tossing him in the trash or trying to move him for nothing.

people couldn't stomach the idea of lance playing year one because "we were trying to win a SB" now those very SAME people are telling me BCB gets to struggle and play through whatever because they said so. How about we quit the hypocritical b******t?

if you want to talk about health, that's an issue with Lance and apparently Brock all the same. My point is none of these QBs should be given the keys to the car and be allowed to struggle for any extended amount of time. I just listened to Chris Simms say that he knows kyle, and he will have no problem "pulling the band-Aid" on any QB if they struggle and put in the next guy in.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Jimmy! Jimmy!

Wellll…most of the people that are going nuts over Brock just migrated off the Jimmy train. They're now diminishing what they were so "convicted" in with Jimmy to prop up BCB. It's pretty wild actually lol.

But yes it's the Brock thread.

def bizarro world on both sides

I liked jimmy and still like jimmy. He didn't turn out to be what I was hoping, he never seemed to have improved his game, that's what frustrated me about him.

im high on Brock though. Hoping he doesn't plateau like jimmy did.

I'm VERY curious to see how Brock responds now that Kyle will have a full plan for him. Will he regress some while over thinking and trying to execute it exactly like it's drawn up and coached? Or is he already past that phase and now it's starting to slow down for him? I can't wait.

I feel Brock showed more poise and had better numbers in the playoffs than Jimmy ever has. That alone is a reason to be positive.

Lance could be really good in the regular season, but a lot of QB's choke when playoffs come around. What Purdy showed in the playoffs give me confidence that he won't just crash and burn.