QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Well to be fair regarding Lance, it was about time, not attempts, and he just unfortunately had two seasons hampered by injury. Time is crucial, and even worse than losing injury time, Purdy actually played really well.

I thought he played darn good. I also thought there was a lot of things that went his way that could have went the other way all the same. I get JG vibes all over again from 2017. hopefully he proves me wrong…I don't think him or anyone else gets a full year to prove it though. Brock's gotta maintain his play from last yr over a full season. He's getting next to nothing this off season to build off though. It's rehabbing instead of developing as a QB. Kids gotta take care of himself all the same too.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why would they? Jimmy had full seasons of football and a trip to a SB. Brock had a couple good games. Jimmy was making 20x as much money and the backup got next to no starting reps, hadn't played football in a yr and was dealing with a broken finger.

How about you answer my questions? Imo none of these dudes will get long leashes. Why should they? That includes Brock.

In my view Brock is a LONG way ahead of the other two in Kyle's mind. He's played QB at the highest level since Shanahan arrived as a rookie who only got limited reps/scout team reps. It was remarkable.

The wildcard being the injuries with Brock - not just the elbow but the oblique he played through too - he got injured twice in just 8 or 9 games. Brock needs to prove he can play a full season.

Unfortunately I don't see how Lance can improve enough just through training camp and preseason - I just don't think it's enough to move the needle. Realistically his best chance is to win the backup job and given how often Kyle's QBs get injured an opportunity could well open up during the season.

They may like Darnold but the turnovers have plagued him everywhere he has been - USC, Jets, Panthers. Hard to imagine that's going to suddenly change. A huge upgrade on Josh Johnson though.

Originally posted by KiwiM3:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why would they? Jimmy had full seasons of football and a trip to a SB. Brock had a couple good games. Jimmy was making 20x as much money and the backup got next to no starting reps, hadn't played football in a yr and was dealing with a broken finger.

How about you answer my questions? Imo none of these dudes will get long leashes. Why should they? That includes Brock.

In my view Brock is a LONG way ahead of the other two in Kyle's mind. He's played QB at the highest level since Shanahan arrived as a rookie who only got limited reps/scout team reps. It was remarkable.

The wildcard being the injuries with Brock - not just the elbow but the oblique he played through too - he got injured twice in just 8 or 9 games. Brock needs to prove he can play a full season.

Unfortunately I don't see how Lance can improve enough just through training camp and preseason - I just don't think it's enough to move the needle. Realistically his best chance is to win the backup job and given how often Kyle's QBs get injured an opportunity could well open up during the season.

They may like Darnold but the turnovers have plagued him everywhere he has been - USC, Jets, Panthers. Hard to imagine that's going to suddenly change. A huge upgrade on Josh Johnson though.

That's the key here. So yeah, Trey's main hope is to be ready to prove himself if Brock gets injured.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Well to be fair regarding Lance, it was about time, not attempts, and he just unfortunately had two seasons hampered by injury. Time is crucial, and even worse than losing injury time, Purdy actually played really well.

I thought he played darn good. I also thought there was a lot of things that went his way that could have went the other way all the same. I get JG vibes all over again from 2017. hopefully he proves me wrong…I don't think him or anyone else gets a full year to prove it though. Brock's gotta maintain his play from last yr over a full season. He's getting next to nothing this off season to build off though. It's rehabbing instead of developing as a QB. Kids gotta take care of himself all the same too.

Honestly, if JG's 2017 season didn't exist, it would be a lot easier to get excited about Brock. I'm not interested in going through that again. There's nothing worse than being locked into a mediocre QB that's not good enough to get the team over the hump, but is too good (or expensive) to get rid of. Now, Brock may be different from Jimmy, but it is hard not to see the parallels between the two at this point.

Came in to say LFG Brock

At Bdubs again supporting the Knights & Purdy lol. Happy hour specials at Bdubs = 🔥

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Well to be fair regarding Lance, it was about time, not attempts, and he just unfortunately had two seasons hampered by injury. Time is crucial, and even worse than losing injury time, Purdy actually played really well.

I thought he played darn good. I also thought there was a lot of things that went his way that could have went the other way all the same. I get JG vibes all over again from 2017. hopefully he proves me wrong…I don't think him or anyone else gets a full year to prove it though. Brock's gotta maintain his play from last yr over a full season. He's getting next to nothing this off season to build off though. It's rehabbing instead of developing as a QB. Kids gotta take care of himself all the same too.

Yeah but Jimmy G was throwing an f ton of interceptions in 2017. 2.8%. Purdy's was 2.4%, which isn't incredible, but it's better. Especially when you add the TD% values of 3.9% vs 7.6%.

But yeah he's got to prove it for the long haul to maintain his grip on the role. As any of them would.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Honestly, if JG's 2017 season didn't exist, it would be a lot easier to get excited about Brock. I'm not interested in going through that again. There's nothing worse than being locked into a mediocre QB that's not good enough to get the team over the hump, but is too good (or expensive) to get rid of. Now, Brock may be different from Jimmy, but it is hard not to see the parallels between the two at this point.

The easiest way to dismiss your concerns and the parallels between Jimmy G and Purdy is that the team is not locked into Purdy long term. He's not being given a long term deal at the top of the market like Jimmy received, after a small sample. The team can easily pivot away from Purdy and go in a different direction if he struggles, at essentially zero cost to the team. If Purdy plays like Jimmy G (post 2017) going forward, we'll look to replace him just as we did with actual Jimmy G. Hopefully, if that becomes a need, they do a better job than they did the first time.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Honestly, if JG's 2017 season didn't exist, it would be a lot easier to get excited about Brock. I'm not interested in going through that again. There's nothing worse than being locked into a mediocre QB that's not good enough to get the team over the hump, but is too good (or expensive) to get rid of. Now, Brock may be different from Jimmy, but it is hard not to see the parallels between the two at this point.

The easiest way to dismiss your concerns and the parallels between Jimmy G and Purdy is that the team is not locked into Purdy long term. He's not being given a long term deal at the top of the market like Jimmy received, after a small sample. The team can easily pivot away from Purdy and go in a different direction if he struggles, at essentially zero cost to the team. If Purdy plays like Jimmy G (post 2017) going forward, we'll look to replace him just as we did with actual Jimmy G. Hopefully, if that becomes a need, they do a better job than they did the first time.

Yup exactly this

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Honestly, if JG's 2017 season didn't exist, it would be a lot easier to get excited about Brock. I'm not interested in going through that again. There's nothing worse than being locked into a mediocre QB that's not good enough to get the team over the hump, but is too good (or expensive) to get rid of. Now, Brock may be different from Jimmy, but it is hard not to see the parallels between the two at this point.

The easiest way to dismiss your concerns and the parallels between Jimmy G and Purdy is that the team is not locked into Purdy long term. He's not being given a long term deal at the top of the market like Jimmy received, after a small sample. The team can easily pivot away from Purdy and go in a different direction if he struggles, at essentially zero cost to the team. If Purdy plays like Jimmy G (post 2017) going forward, we'll look to replace him just as we did with actual Jimmy G. Hopefully, if that becomes a need, they do a better job than they did the first time.

While it's true that we're not currently locked into Brock, that doesn't make it easier to get excited or buy into him being the guy at this point. It only means the risk is not the same from a contract perspective, though any time invested in a QB is costly at this point in the team's window if he ends up not being an elite QB.

The bigger point is that Jimmy was incredible in 2017 and then underwhelming (but not terrible) going forward. Brock was incredible in 2022 and we don't know yet what he'll be going forward, but the prior experience with Jimmy is reason enough to not feel overly enthusiastic about him until we get a larger sample size.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Well to be fair regarding Lance, it was about time, not attempts, and he just unfortunately had two seasons hampered by injury. Time is crucial, and even worse than losing injury time, Purdy actually played really well.

I thought he played darn good. I also thought there was a lot of things that went his way that could have went the other way all the same. I get JG vibes all over again from 2017. hopefully he proves me wrong…I don't think him or anyone else gets a full year to prove it though. Brock's gotta maintain his play from last yr over a full season. He's getting next to nothing this off season to build off though. It's rehabbing instead of developing as a QB. Kids gotta take care of himself all the same too.

Yeah but Jimmy G was throwing an f ton of interceptions in 2017. 2.8%. Purdy's was 2.4%, which isn't incredible, but it's better. Especially when you add the TD% values of 3.9% vs 7.6%.

But yeah he's got to prove it for the long haul to maintain his grip on the role. As any of them would.

This

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
While it's true that we're not currently locked into Brock, that doesn't make it easier to get excited or buy into him being the guy at this point. It only means the risk is not the same from a contract perspective, though any time invested in a QB is costly at this point in the team's window if he ends up not being an elite QB.

The bigger point is that Jimmy was incredible in 2017 and then underwhelming (but not terrible) going forward. Brock was incredible in 2022 and we don't know yet what he'll be going forward, but the prior experience with Jimmy is reason enough to not feel overly enthusiastic about him until we get a larger sample size.

I kind of see the comparison and I get what you guys are saying about 2017 Jimmy and Brock last season. This might just be me, but I think what Brock did showed a lot more and was a lot more then what Jimmy did for the following reasons:

1. Jimmy was not a rookie
2. We were already eliminated from the playoffs and playing for and with nothing to lose
3. We were used to awful QB play so Jimmy appeared much better then what he was, I mean 7 TDs to 5 Ints isn't world beating for me anyways. That said, I do think that 5 game stretch was some of the best Jimmy and it was an awesome feeling to have some hope at the position after years of crap.

Brock was a rookie 3rd stringer with the playoffs on the line. He broke records and did things during his run that I never seen Jimmy do during his entire tenure. I get the statistics and spray charts look similar and that's fine, I don't think how they looked on the field was similar if for nothing else the escapability/athleticism and pocket movement/awareness that Jimmy simply doesn't have.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Honestly if we didn't have cap ramifications, and Purdy turns out to be Him, his contract is so low I'd be salivating to trade Lance and Darnold and buy some top tier defenders.

But then reality sets in and I remember that you need more than one good QB or you're going to end up like the 49ers almost every year since 2018. Smh.

It's too bad. However we have Purdy for two more years beyond this season at a chump change contract, and if Trey doesn't show up, there's no reason to keep him at the escalating salary he'll have next year. So we should have a lot more space at that position. Unfortunately, we'll be giving that to Bosa.

Or Trey will make himself valuable and we'll keep him at least for the duration of his contract, but either way it's still less than what most teams are spending on QB.

But if Purdy is the guy, do we really need to spend 10 million on a back up QB? This year, you want Lance and Darnold. It's too late to get some veteran and train him, and there's still a chance Lance (or Darnold) will ascend. But next year, if that doesn't happen, it's time to move on. Assuming Purdy is the guy.

This isn't going to be something most people will like me saying, but I still believe there is a solid chance Trey gets traded. I'm not saying I want him to, I'm just saying business wise - it can make a lot of sense. Just requires some unknown variables to be figured out.

the sam darnold signing has always been strange to me. I know we've had a ton of injuries these last 5-6 years or so, but that's not normal. It's been horrible luck.

i think the plan is currently 1 of 2 things and it all depends on what someone offers for Trey. I think if we get a good offer, we take it. Roll into the season with Purdy, Darnold, & Allen. I think the fact that they're even giving darnold first team reps speaks a lot to that - he obviously wasn't brought in to be just QB3. If we don't get the offer, I think we roll into the season with all three and let the dominos fall how they fall.

I personally don't really care which direction we go in. I'll be bummed if anyone gets hurt. If we keep him, great. If we don't, great.

treys been getting a ton of positive publicity recentky and looks much improved. So I could see a team trading for him. It'll just depend on the offer.

i also don't buy that crap "we will trade anyone for the right price". That's just non sense. Lol we won't trade deebo, Aiyuk, CMC, Bosa, Warner, Williams, Purdy, Armstead, Huff, etc. we won't trade players who we believe are future cornerstones of the organization.

Well it's past June 1st so we'd actually gain cap room if we traded Trey. But doing so would depend on the offer received as well as how Trey looks.

No reason to trade him unless it's for stupid compensation

Absolutely no reason to trade him this year at all, probably not next year if he shows marked improvement.

Well, I don't agree with that entirely. If Purdy comes out looking like a Pro Bowl and we're offered a first or more for Trey, I think that's a good enough reason to do it.

What do you think you can get for him that would offset having an affordable young quarterback who has a little experience in the system? Who also still might be groomed to be a competent option if injuries happen?

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
crazy how a mr irrelevant will supplant a 3rd overall pick

Goes to show what a crap shoot the draft really is, and how wrong evaluators can be.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by KiwiM3:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Rumors indicate he was one game away from benching Jimmy.

49ers would have been 2-5 if Jimmy had lost (5 straight losses)

That's different from a couple of bad games.

He rode with Jimmy through 4 straight losses.

Yes, that is correct. I'm not saying two games and Purdy gets benched, the other guy was. But he doesn't have an infinite leash, and how long that leash is depends on how well Trey and Sam are doing in camp and in the pre-season.

I never said two games either. None of these dudes are gonna get the leeway to play through bad football though. That was my point…we couldn't even allow a QB as young an inexperienced as Lance, whom they made the biggest trade in franchise history for, get more than 100 passing attempts fans couldn't even fathom the idea of him developing on a good roster…I was told he should be on a bad roster with no expectations lol.

I brought up Trevor Lawrence and his disgustingly bad first 100 passing attempts (really his first yr was awful). The response was oh the team was bad lol.

I tell ya man some of the nonsense in the QB threads is just too much sometimes.

Trevor Lawrence had Urban Myer, you gonna sit there and try to say he had even close to the level of coaching Trey has gotten? You switch Trey and Trevor and what do you think would have happened to each respective player? I mean the guy was having his coordinators have tell him not to run actual plays in the preseason so as not to give away plays they would use during the season, then have to explain it to him again because he didn't understand why it was a bad thing.

Then there's this little gem: NFL Network reporter Tom Pelissero detailed an unusual meeting Meyer held with his assistants. According to Pelissero, Meyer "delivered a biting message that he's a winner and his assistant coaches are losers," and individually went around the room asking each to compare their pathetic résumés to his.This is particularly strange because, well, Meyer had hired these people. Why would a winner hire a staff filled with losers? One of Meyer's favorite quotes is "Why be around average?"; it's featured on the website of his other restaurant, Urban Meyer's Pint House. (This one has two drinks named after Shelley.) But Meyer had apparently chosen to be around subaverage. As it turns out, several of his assistants have won Super Bowls and college football national titles, so his criticism was inaccurate in addition to being totally sociopathic.

You are spot on with your last sentence.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Well, I don't agree with that entirely. If Purdy comes out looking like a Pro Bowl and we're offered a first or more for Trey, I think that's a good enough reason to do it.

Have we learned nothing from last year? Well, the team seems to have because despite having four qb's on the books I see they are putting a fifth through his paces.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
This

I kind of see the comparison and I get what you guys are saying about 2017 Jimmy and Brock last season. This might just be me, but I think what Brock did showed a lot more and was a lot more then what Jimmy did for the following reasons:

1. Jimmy was not a rookie
2. We were already eliminated from the playoffs and playing for and with nothing to lose
3. We were used to awful QB play so Jimmy appeared much better then what he was, I mean 7 TDs to 5 Ints isn't world beating for me anyways. That said, I do think that 5 game stretch was some of the best Jimmy and it was an awesome feeling to have some hope at the position after years of crap.

Brock was a rookie 3rd stringer with the playoffs on the line. He broke records and did things during his run that I never seen Jimmy do during his entire tenure. I get the statistics and spray charts look similar and that's fine, I don't think how they looked on the field was similar if for nothing else the escapability/athleticism and pocket movement/awareness that Jimmy simply doesn't have.

Exactly, they were only the same in that the team won all of their games. However, Purdy played at a much much higher level than Jimmy and it wasn't even close. Purdys play was record breaking (like throwing 2+ TDs in what 7 consecutive games) and his ability to extend plays and get the offense scoring 30+ points while being the best rated quarterback in the NFL. Purdys play was a lot differently than a 7 touchdown to 5 interception ratio that Jimmy had. Jimmy gave the team hope like Purdy did but Purdys play was elite while Jimmys play was not.

We do need a bigger sample size and we will get it this year. If Purdy regresses or doesn't show he's the future we could always pivot back to Trey and all of his potential