QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
lol my god with the whether I like or not s**t. Stop trying so hard to make it personal.

I don't care who's the QB so long as they're playing well and it's sustainable . Do I think there's different level of what a QB could end up becoming? absolutely. Doesn't mean it will happen.

If Brock goes out there and starts throwing INTs and doesn't have a ridiculous TD% after a couple games…why does he get to play through all that? Because of a couple games last yr? They have nothing invested in him.

you'd think the person they would be the most patient with would be the guy that burned years of 1sts for…that lasted 100 random passing attempts. I got people in here blabbing about how we can't let a QB develop on a Super Bowl roster ONLY to say we can for another one lol. Sounds to me like people are taking it wayyyy more personal than I am.

Saying I have an angle is stupid as s**t. I'm applying what everyone in here has been saying….ya'll can't handle it being applied to a different QB apparently. None of these dudes have earned the right to get a full season of football to play though development and the ups and downs of it. Especially on a Super Bowl roster. Unless that narrative has changed all of a sudden.

Like I said, you're getting all bunched up over some made up future scenario that hasn't even happened yet. We don't even know who is starting week 1. If you want to say we don't have that established vet guy, sure we don't, and this is what you have been asking for, for years. Nature of the beast.

Reminds me of the old saying, careful what you wish for, you just might get it

I keep seeing it be said that we won't let someone develop, I just don't think that's true?

we had a multi year plan for Lance to be developed? Let him sit a whole year and get play here and there his rookie year, which made complete sense. Then we handed the keys to him his second year with the understanding he will have some major learning curves, but we will tough it out. Then he got essentially immediately injured. All that happened was that another younger, and cheaper qb, stepped in and played at an incredible level. Doing everything we hoped and wanted at the position. Had us playing at a super bowl winning caliber. Brock didn't even lose a game? Put up awesome stats and had the offense rolling at a level not seen before under Kyles reign here.
we gave jimmy multiple years to get better? I just think that's non sense and an excuse.

If it was a defensive player or skill player that we drafted High and some UDFA came in and balled, no one would care if we replaced him. We would just complain about wasting high round picks. But with Trey it's that we won't develop him? It's non sense. He just kept getting injured and couldn't play or couldn't play well and someone else stepped up at a very high level.

if Trey is some great talent, it'll show in camp and it'll put Purdy on a short leash/hot seat. It's that simple. Great talent shines through even if they aren't developed. My personal thought? The team feels like Trey isn't the player they were hoping and are comfortable putting him on the back seat. Not that he is a bad player, just not getting the vibe through practice and camp that he is what they're were hoping. It isn't like he is going anywhere for a couple years. Maybe they get the same special feel for Brock as many of us do?

itll all play itself out. Either Brock will be awesome and retain the job or he won't and Lance will have another crack at it to prove himself. If neither do, darnold will get a shot.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Like I said, you're getting all bunched up over some made up future scenario that hasn't even happened yet. We don't even know who is starting week 1. If you want to say we don't have that established vet guy, sure we don't, and this is what you have been asking for, for years. Nature of the beast.

Reminds me of the old saying, careful what you wish for, you just might get it

I'm having a convo about it….90% of what is talked about in here are future scenarios. You of all people should recognize that.

careful of what? If Brock doesn't play well then he doesn't play well….that has nothing to do with what I said in a fan forum. If he balls out and becomes a HOFer that has nothing to do with what anyone said in here.

I don't think ANY of these QBs have a long leash to play through bad quarterbacking. Especially on a Super Bowl roster. Ya'll told me we weren't allowed to do that with another QB. Now it's acceptable?

I'll root for any of these guys who play. I can have my opinions on a player…doesn't mean I want so and so to play bad ever.

I think your leash is tied to your production. Brock has produced, more than any other QB we have, at least for us. TL hasn't produced much, and Sam just got here. You build equity with your club, by balling. This is why we don't cut snaps to Deebo when he fumbles, but we might cut snaps to TDP if he does.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I think your leash is tied to your production. Brock has produced, more than any other QB we have, at least for us. TL hasn't produced much, and Sam just got here. You build equity with your club, by balling. This is why we don't cut snaps to Deebo when he fumbles, but we might cut snaps to TDP if he does.

Exactly right.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Soon as he's healthy he will be back out there and relegate whoever was starting to the bench.

I think he gets a least half a season or more of sucking before they even consider benching him for poor play.

That's what 2 rookie playoff wins gets you. A long leash.

Especially considering Kyle has had what I would consider to be a longer leash than average on QB play. He may give Brock an entire season of poor play like he did with hoyer.

There is 0 way darnold or lance can win the job from him. He will have to play bad just to consider benching him midway through the season. Not just average but downright bad.

I pretty much agree.

I think the most comparable situation is the '21 season.

We were one loss away from replacing Jimmy with Lance (at 3-5). 3-6 and you're pretty much out of the playoff picture for all intents and purposes. That's what it's going to take to 'see what you have' with one of the backups.

That calculus can change if one or both of Lance/Darnold looks great in camp/preseason but that's realistically unlikely. Darnold may be better here but it's unlikely that he's taking a major leap in one offseason. Lance has always needed playing time to get experience and still won't have at in this scenario.

I think it will take even more bad play because Jimmy had less potential than Brock does based on age. I would give Brock even more leash because it's his success and age.

In 21 trey had more potential than he does now and Jimmy had less than Brock does now. You had just drafted trey with huge expectations then and faltering Jimmy. Now you have 4th year Trey whose shown nothing since he got here for 2nd year Brock.

In 23 because it's only brocks second year and has won 2 playoff games I could realistically see them throwing this year away completely for his development, if he shows any more flashes of greatness.

Not saying they should throw a year away but based on what we saw out of the way Jimmy, hoyer, beathard, mullens got to play the QB leash is longgggg.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Lol Why are you making this so contentious? No one is making anything personal my friend, take a breath.. You've said you don't like it that they aren't going to start and develop Lance . You have also said you don't think Purdy is the guy or will be the guy, you expect him to come back down to earth and last year was an anomaly. These are things you've said. So how am I making anything personal?
This is what appears to have happened. With the Purdy injury you felt like there was a good chance that Lance would have to start and then could seize the starting job. You avoided having to really say anything negative about him because you could point to the injury and say it's a moot point: he's not healthy. now it looks like Purdy is going to be ready and be the starter so now your true feelings on Purdy are starting to come out. Would you say that's a fair assessment?

Lol you said I have an angle, my dude….when in reality I do not. I'm talking about all these QBs.

IMO I do not think any of them will have a long leash to play through the ups and downs that happen with developing. I think Sam's leash is even shorter. people talked nonstop about it with Lance. Can't develop on a Super Bowl roster blah blah blah. Meanwhile Brock will be doing the same damn thing. It's foolish to assume he will just be great and that's that. I'm not saying he can't be…but to just say that's not a scenario is silly.

I've stated I need more from Brock to say what he is or isn't long-term. Not sure how that's an unfair take? Things that he was successful at like TD% and TD/INT ratio are volatile, those stats don't always translate yr to yr.

yes I do think Lance has a higher upside. Bigger stronger better arm top 3 pick in the draft etc vs the last pick in the draft. I don't think that's a shocking take. Also doesn't mean lance's full ability will ever happen. That's just upside. Not always reality.

I haven't seen enough of Lance to be overly negative on him. Dude hasn't even played two full games back to back. I've said he needs to work on his lower half many many times.

no it's not a fair assessment. I'll root for BCB to be good all day. My whole damn point was none of these dudes are gonna be given a full year to play regardless of how bad they are on the field. You telling me if after 5 games for brock he has like 6TDs and 5INTs, and we're 2-3 that people aren't gonna be calling for a switch? IMO none of them will be afforded that breathing room…it's how kyle has set it up imo.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
I think it will take even more bad play because Jimmy had less potential than Brock does based on age. I would give Brock even more leash because it's his success and age.

In 21 trey had more potential than he does now and Jimmy had less than Brock does now. You had just drafted trey with huge expectations then and faltering Jimmy. Now you have 4th year Trey whose shown nothing since he got here for 2nd year Brock.

In 23 because it's only brocks second year and has won 2 playoff games I could realistically see them throwing this year away completely for his development, if he shows any more flashes of greatness.

Not saying they should throw a year away but based on what we saw out of the way Jimmy, hoyer, beathard, mullens got to play the QB leash is longgggg.

You might be right. It's just going to depend on how Brock is actually struggling I guess.

I don't think they make a change unless the season is effectively over, but your argument that they may still not because they believe in Brock's potential the most is certainly valid. I just wouldn't rule out the possibility they use the rest of the season in that scenario to get a real look at their monster investment in Lance… even if it's just to try and trade him.

As far as Darnold I think he's really just here to be a spot starter early if Purdy isn't ready and Lance hasn't improved, and if we need a backup for a game or two later on down the road once Purdy is back. There's no point in starting him at all if we're 3-6 and the season is effectively over.

So I was curious because I saw Brad Graham doing a YouTube video that says "the QB competition over?" It's actually streaming live so I didn't try to watch it but the title got my interest because it made me think, wait a minute, is there really a QB competition for the starter? I really really like Trey, even like Sam Darnold but I just don't think there's as much of a competition for the starter people think there is. Of course there's always competition within a football team but it's a meritocracy run by Shanahan. There's different kinds of competition for who the starter will be, sometimes it's totally open and other times it's kind of like well it's that guy's job to lose. The starting QB is the latter of the two. As long as Brock is on schedule to participate in some amount of training camp he's the starter and everything so far indicates his recovery's on track.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
You might be right. It's just going to depend on how Brock is actually struggling I guess.

I don't think they make a change unless the season is effectively over, but your argument that they may still not because they believe in Brock's potential the most is certainly valid. I just wouldn't rule out the possibility they use the rest of the season in that scenario to get a real look at their monster investment in Lance… even if it's just to try and trade him.

As far as Darnold I think he's really just here to be a spot starter early if Purdy isn't ready and Lance hasn't improved, and if we need a backup for a game or two later on down the road once Purdy is back. There's no point in starting him at all if we're 3-6 and the season is effectively over.

Agreed. I think it would take something catastrophic in his game for them to not give him a long leash. Let's say his arm is just too weak now for the NFL post surgery. Then he could get pulled sooner.

I think it depends on what they think of lance as well. I mean if they truly think he's a bust then they might not even play him if the seasons over. It might end up being darnold just because they want to bury their mistake as far back in their minds as they can.

If lance truly sucks then there's no point in devaluing his already sunken value from our perceived "maybe they can get a 1st or second for him" right now trade scenario to "he's only worth a 5th-7th because he's exposed playing in garbage time end of season games"

Depends on both of them. Imo Brock sucking so bad he gets pulled because of physically deficiencies is only like 5% or less. I think if he starts throwing a high number of picks with a lot of yards and tds they still won't pull him and just let him ride it out.

Remember this: if lance was truly superior and gifted he would have unseated Jimmy in 21 regardless of the "plan" for him to sit and learn. You have to factor that in as well because we looked pathetic at the start of the season with Jimmy that year.

We all judge lance on the games but the coaches have seen tons of practices as well. They may already know what he has and are just holding their cards close to bluff trades and to keep the peace.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Agreed. I think it would take something catastrophic in his game for them to not give him a long leash. Let's say his arm is just too weak now for the NFL post surgery. Then he could get pulled sooner.

I think it depends on what they think of lance as well. I mean if they truly think he's a bust then they might not even play him if the seasons over. It might end up being darnold just because they want to bury their mistake as far back in their minds as they can.

If lance truly sucks then there's no point in devaluing his already sunken value from our perceived "maybe they can get a 1st or second for him" right now trade scenario to "he's only worth a 5th-7th because he's exposed playing in garbage time end of season games"

Depends on both of them. Imo Brock sucking so bad he gets pulled because of physically deficiencies is only like 5% or less. I think if he starts throwing a high number of picks with a lot of yards and tds they still won't pull him and just let him ride it out.

Remember this: if lance was truly superior and gifted he would have unseated Jimmy in 21 regardless of the "plan" for him to sit and learn. You have to factor that in as well because we looked pathetic at the start of the season with Jimmy that year.

We all judge lance on the games but the coaches have seen tons of practices as well. They may already know what he has and are just holding their cards close to bluff trades and to keep the peace.

Agree 100 percent. I think they wanted Lance to unseat Jimmy right away regardless of what they said publicly. Why would they put public pressure on the kid?

Lance's situation on this team was easily predictable. Our FO lost their minds thinking they could win and develop a raw player like Lance at the same time. They screwed him over putting him in this position but the team's goals have to be prioritized first. We've been a Super Bowl team every year since he was drafted. *I just wouldn't rule out the possibility they see what they have in him if that goal is no longer attainable in this particular season*

Also agree with the rest of your post. Brock struggling because of injury would be much different than regressing in other ways. We're all hoping he's healthy, and if he is, I think he's going to more than good enough personally.

"The 49ers' expected starting quarterback should, well, continue to be expected to start for the team," Breer wrote. "He's on a very controlled throwing program now, and this week's minicamp in Santa Clara should provide more answers. As it stands? Purdy is throwing without pain, and he's passed every test the Niners have thrown at him."

As expected, the 49ers canceled the final week of organized team activities (OTAs), initially scheduled for this week, and replaced them by moving up their mandatory minicamp, which will now kick off on Tuesday. Obviously, Purdy will not participate. However, his very limited throwing sessions to evaluate his progress should continue.

"The plan going forward is to gradually increase the velocity and distance on his throws," Breer continued. "But at this point, I'm told he's come through the rehab process and is now building strength back in his arm, on a track that'd have him ready to go for Week 1."

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Originally posted by ninerjok:
So I was curious because I saw Brad Graham doing a YouTube video that says "the QB competition over?" It's actually streaming live so I didn't try to watch it but the title got my interest because it made me think, wait a minute, is there really a QB competition for the starter? I really really like Trey, even like Sam Darnold but I just don't think there's as much of a competition for the starter people think there is. Of course there's always competition within a football team but it's a meritocracy run by Shanahan. There's different kinds of competition for who the starter will be, sometimes it's totally open and other times it's kind of like well it's that guy's job to lose. The starting QB is the latter of the two. As long as Brock is on schedule to participate in some amount of training camp he's the starter and everything so far indicates his recovery's on track.

The real competition is for qb2, they just aren't shutting the door one the remote possibility that one of those guys suddenly shows enough to compete for qb1. Like Kyle said they have two guys drafted number three overall, and one guy who's played like it. That should've told everyone what they needed to know.

Originally posted by tankle104:
"The 49ers' expected starting quarterback should, well, continue to be expected to start for the team," Breer wrote. "He's on a very controlled throwing program now, and this week's minicamp in Santa Clara should provide more answers. As it stands? Purdy is throwing without pain, and he's passed every test the Niners have thrown at him."

As expected, the 49ers canceled the final week of organized team activities (OTAs), initially scheduled for this week, and replaced them by moving up their mandatory minicamp, which will now kick off on Tuesday. Obviously, Purdy will not participate. However, his very limited throwing sessions to evaluate his progress should continue.

"The plan going forward is to gradually increase the velocity and distance on his throws," Breer continued. "But at this point, I'm told he's come through the rehab process and is now building strength back in his arm, on a track that'd have him ready to go for Week 1."

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Sounds very encouraging

Lance making strides and Purdy progressing well. So far so good

Honestly if we didn't have cap ramifications, and Purdy turns out to be Him, his contract is so low I'd be salivating to trade Lance and Darnold and buy some top tier defenders.

But then reality sets in and I remember that you need more than one good QB or you're going to end up like the 49ers almost every year since 2018. Smh.

It's too bad. However we have Purdy for two more years beyond this season at a chump change contract, and if Trey doesn't show up, there's no reason to keep him at the escalating salary he'll have next year. So we should have a lot more space at that position. Unfortunately, we'll be giving that to Bosa.

Or Trey will make himself valuable and we'll keep him at least for the duration of his contract, but either way it's still less than what most teams are spending on QB.

But if Purdy is the guy, do we really need to spend 10 million on a back up QB? This year, you want Lance and Darnold. It's too late to get some veteran and train him, and there's still a chance Lance (or Darnold) will ascend. But next year, if that doesn't happen, it's time to move on. Assuming Purdy is the guy.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Agreed. I think it would take something catastrophic in his game for them to not give him a long leash. Let's say his arm is just too weak now for the NFL post surgery. Then he could get pulled sooner.

I think it depends on what they think of lance as well. I mean if they truly think he's a bust then they might not even play him if the seasons over. It might end up being darnold just because they want to bury their mistake as far back in their minds as they can.

If lance truly sucks then there's no point in devaluing his already sunken value from our perceived "maybe they can get a 1st or second for him" right now trade scenario to "he's only worth a 5th-7th because he's exposed playing in garbage time end of season games"

Depends on both of them. Imo Brock sucking so bad he gets pulled because of physically deficiencies is only like 5% or less. I think if he starts throwing a high number of picks with a lot of yards and tds they still won't pull him and just let him ride it out.

Remember this: if lance was truly superior and gifted he would have unseated Jimmy in 21 regardless of the "plan" for him to sit and learn. You have to factor that in as well because we looked pathetic at the start of the season with Jimmy that year.

We all judge lance on the games but the coaches have seen tons of practices as well. They may already know what he has and are just holding their cards close to bluff trades and to keep the peace.

Agree 100 percent. I think they wanted Lance to unseat Jimmy right away regardless of what they said publicly. Why would they put public pressure on the kid?

Lance's situation on this team was easily predictable. Our FO lost their minds thinking they could win and develop a raw player like Lance at the same time. They screwed him over putting him in this position but the team's goals have to be prioritized first. We've been a Super Bowl team every year since he was drafted. *I just wouldn't rule out the possibility they see what they have in him if that goal is no longer attainable in this particular season*

Also agree with the rest of your post. Brock struggling because of injury would be much different than regressing in other ways. We're all hoping he's healthy, and if he is, I think he's going to more than good enough personally.

Also, in one of my previous posts, I said I noticed that all the public statements made by Lynch and most of the coaches in particular were pretty much just typical cordial in nature: "Getting to know Trey and watching his film from previous years, I see a lot of improvement in his overall mechanics," passing game specialist Klint Kubiak said. "What stands out is his footwork. And I think that's stuff that (quarterbacks coach) Brian (Griese) and (assistant quarterbacks coach) Klay (Kubiak) definitely have worked on. He just seems really comfortable with what you're asking him to do. I love how his feet have progressed at this point of his career." If you will really read it between the lines, these are typical development and progression things which I'm pretty sure every QB in the NFL should be already at this level or even passed this level of development. It's like all they're saying are just bunch of fancy words but really there's nothing special or something that get your attention to it. On the other hand, John Lynch specifically mentioned Brock Purdy is the leader of this team. That right there tells us everything.