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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Based on the expected timelines for Brock's return, if he's 100% by sept 1 (very realistic), that is 9 or so days to prep for the Steelers - more than enough.

setback's can still happen but right now alll signs point to him being 100% a week before game one. So idk why anyones worried he is being rushed.

Mullens was cleared to play football 5 months after surgery. I've listened to interviews with the folks who did the surgery/created it and they've been very clear that Brock will be back to his old self. So I'm excited

Yeah I mean if he's cleared to practice he's gonna practice and play.

If he can't, well we have plenty of talent behind him that will have gotten a ton of preseason reps and should be sharp.

Brock may be a little rusty so I think it's best to have an open mind with that considered.

I don't think he will be as rusty as some think. You have to remember this isn't like an ACL injury where he can't work on anything for 6+ months. He's out there doing drills, working on his mechanics/footwork, studying the playbook. Hes heading to Jacksonville soon to work with his QB coaches on his mechanics. Since he will be more than. Half way through throwing rehab by the time camp starts, he will be participating in camp and getting his arm right for 3 months before the season starts.

i don't think he's going to be rusty, I think physically & mentally he is going to be locked in. If anything, I'm concerned how much he trusts his arm and velocity. Like if he's 100% but a little worried about hurting his arm again - that would be a problem but I think the multiple months of throwing with make him really comfy with his arm.
Glad Brock is on track but hate that apparently he's been anointed qb1. Yes he did play well last year but we've seen that all happen before. And then they end up not playing so well later on down the line. Not a fan of one single player, I'm a fan of the 49ers. I would like to see what lance would look like for 5 games straight. I just hope they're not rushing Brock back.
Originally posted by Bangbang89:
Glad Brock is on track but hate that apparently he's been anointed qb1. Yes he did play well last year but we've seen that all happen before. And then they end up not playing so well later on down the line. Not a fan of one single player, I'm a fan of the 49ers. I would like to see what lance would look like for 5 games straight. I just hope they're not rushing Brock back.

I wouldn't care if Lance played five straight games, it would be interesting, but like you said - im a fan of the 49ers. So I don't want to see him play for the hell of it. I want the QB to play who has shown to be the best. I'd like to see how different darnold would look here too but not for fun? If Brock can't play, then of course play someone else and let's see what happens.

what brings me the most comfort, outside of Brock's play, is that Kyle sees these guys everyday and more than any of us have combined. So if Kyle sees these guys everyday and how they are behind closed doors - and he still wants to go with Brock, then I think it's clear he's the best option short and long term. I highly doubt Kyle would play Brock over Lance if he thought Lance was the best option long term.

if Kyle says in sept, that he's starting Lance because Lance looks so great and he's confident in him being the best option for the team now and in the future, I'd be perfectly fine with it. I'd be a little skeptical until I saw him play but I'd be comfortable with it.
Originally posted by Bangbang89:
Glad Brock is on track but hate that apparently he's been anointed qb1. Yes he did play well last year but we've seen that all happen before. And then they end up not playing so well later on down the line. Not a fan of one single player, I'm a fan of the 49ers. I would like to see what lance would look like for 5 games straight. I just hope they're not rushing Brock back.


Brock's the presumptive starter with room for Trey or even Sam Darnold to remove him from the position by their play in camp/preseason, and possibly down the road if Brock were to get injured again.

If you're wanting to see Lance play regardless of whether he's the best man for the job currently, while we have a team built to win the Super Bowl now, I'd say you're trending into the idea that you're a fan of a player, not fan of the team (though I understand a person could think developing Trey regardless of his ability now may be best for the team long term).

Keep in mind Brock is on a 4 year deal worth about a million a season. Has 3 years left. He's not getting a long term financial commitment from this team for some time and if he doesn't play well, we'll keep looking for someone who can whether that guy is on the roster now or new guys next year and the year after etc.

We're not boxing ourselves in here and planning to roll with Brock right now isn't something that would be difficult to pivot away from if it doesn't pan out. About the only thing starting Brock does now is delay Trey's development in terms of regular season playing time.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Except the GM/HC already have. There's nothing Trey can do this off season to derail Brock from starting once healthy. The reality is Trey just isn't in position to get a "fair tryout" here. He can help to instill confidence in QB2 though.

Health issues for Brock is the only chance he'll get in live games to turn the narrative but fortunately for Trey, he and the other 49er QB's are 49er QB's, so the odds of him getting a real in-season tryout is likely around these parts. At least at some point. Probably this year, if we're playing the odds.

Not true kyle said Lance can earn that QB1 spot. If Brock comes into camp and looks bad they aren't gonna just toss him out there. We all know how much kyle values practice. I agree with the idea that Brock is the leader and will more than likely be the first guy once healthy…I don't think they will allow him to play like s**t for a couple games though. I don't think it's a "it will take an injury" for Lance to get in. Brock has to maintain his play to continue…no long leashes allowed. No development allowed, since this is a Super Bowl roster and all.

You really believe that? Nothing Trey could do in pre season could ever come close to real live NFL games and the playoffs.

Unless Brock's arm falls off, there's nothing Trey could do to even come close to that reality to ever get a fair enough shake to make a monster move like that just before the start of the season. I just don't see it.

Stranger things have happened, I guess?

I think if Brock has a setback from his injury recovery and Lance starts the season lighting the world on fire, Trey could retain the starting job. But if both are healthy and "competing" in training camp, I really cant see Brock losing the QB1 spot under any circumstance.

Exactly this. IMHO, of course.
Originally posted by Bangbang89:
Glad Brock is on track but hate that apparently he's been anointed qb1. Yes he did play well last year but we've seen that all happen before. And then they end up not playing so well later on down the line. Not a fan of one single player, I'm a fan of the 49ers. I would like to see what lance would look like for 5 games straight. I just hope they're not rushing Brock back.

Just curious, if the team went 2-3 in that five-game stretch, will you consider that experiment to have been worthwhile?
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by Bangbang89:
Glad Brock is on track but hate that apparently he's been anointed qb1. Yes he did play well last year but we've seen that all happen before. And then they end up not playing so well later on down the line. Not a fan of one single player, I'm a fan of the 49ers. I would like to see what lance would look like for 5 games straight. I just hope they're not rushing Brock back.

Just curious, if the team went 2-3 in that five-game stretch, will you consider that experiment to have been worthwhile?

I would, we spent 3 first round picks you wouldn't test to see how he does? I don't care who gets the job but the curiosity is there especially a player with Lance's intangibles.

It's Brock's job to lose, think he starts unless Lance amazes in training camp.
It looks like Brock is recovering but it still remains to be seen if he's fully recovered in time for the opener. In some ways I wish he wasn't so we could get a look at Trey for 2 or 3 games and see if he's really improved his throwing motion. I guess we'll just have to watch the pre season games which I don't see up here in Oregon.
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Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by Bangbang89:
Glad Brock is on track but hate that apparently he's been anointed qb1. Yes he did play well last year but we've seen that all happen before. And then they end up not playing so well later on down the line. Not a fan of one single player, I'm a fan of the 49ers. I would like to see what lance would look like for 5 games straight. I just hope they're not rushing Brock back.

Just curious, if the team went 2-3 in that five-game stretch, will you consider that experiment to have been worthwhile?

If Lance has a QB rating of -1.0 but the team is 5-0, would that be a reason to continue playing Lance? I don't think so. Don't look at win/loss records when evaluating quarterbacks.
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Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by tankle104:
"And I think the biggest thing that people need to understand here is that what is being placed in the arms was to kind of pull that ligament back together to put things in place is basically made of collagen," Wagoner said. "It's a collagen tape, but it's very strong and the way [Dr. Jeff Dugas] explained it to me is that it's almost like Kevlar and it eventually dissolves. So when the ligament actually heals, that thing goes away and basically you're just kind of back to normal as opposed to putting a graft in like you do with Tommy John surgery."

Idk if anyone else was wondering this, but I was curious if the brace stays in the arm and if that benefits the ligament at all. So it turns out that as the ligament heals, the brace dissolves. Very interesting. I didn't know that

Just doing a bit of research on Collagen, apparently it can repair and - so it seems - strengthen the ligaments and joints. If Purdy's ligaments not only get repaired but grow stronger because of it, I would think that's a great positive result from a negative injury.

1. Collagen is the building block of the body
Surprise, surprise! The most abundant protein found in your body is collagen, which plays a vital role in providing support and elasticity to connective tissue, such as cartilage, bones, tendons and ligaments. Collagen also provides structural support to the skin, so your skin looks young, supple and wrinkle-free.
2. Collagen stimulates cartilage growth
Cartilage is a firm, rubbery material that covers the end of bones in joints. Over time, cartilage wear off due to ageing and repeated movement. As a result, tendons and ligaments stretch, and bones rub against each other, causing pain. Collagen provides support for the growth and repair of cartilage tissue, as well as relieve joint inflammation and pain. Boost collagen intake for your body, so you can sustain an active lifestyle and achieve your fitness goals.
https://www.brandsworld.com.my/en/article-listing/4-surprising-benefits-of-collagen-for-joint-and-bone-health.html

It may be a reason that some players get more ligament and tendon injuries. Their body may not be producing as much collagen as needed. It could also be a reason some players heal faster.

Appreciate you adding onto my post, Giedi. It's great info. Funny thing is that I was reading an article yesterday about a scientist who's living underwater in a capsule for 100 days and the effects it has on aging etc - it talked about how impotent Collagen is.

Makes me feel a little better about his arm once he's ready to go. Re injury is a bigger concern of mine than him not getting 100%. Sounds like he should be tip top Mcgoo though.

didn't Josh allen have an UCL injury this year? I wonder if they're making advancement that they can put one of these braces on and it'll heal better

Catchmaster and you have touched on Purdy's injury and how it can actually make him stronger in many ways vs not being injured. I'm a big advocate of *if it doesn't kill you, it will make you stronger* mindset. Nobody's touched on Purdy's mental toughness and spiritual faith as an athletic attribute to his fast healing...

Several studies have shown that injured athletes with higher levels of stress, anxiety, and fear of reinjury are less likely to fully recover. In one study of ACL reconstruction patients, those with higher levels of fear were 13 times more likely to suffer a second ACL tear within two years of returning to sports than those who were less fearful.
Depression, a common experience for injured athletes, has been associated with worse patient-reported outcomes, higher levels of pain, and increased rates of post-surgical complications.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1323417/

Strong scientific evidence suggests that individuals who regularly participate in spiritual worship services or related activities and who feel strongly that spirituality or the presence of a higher being or power are sources of strength and comfort to them are healthier and possess greater healing capabilities.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1323417/

That's a great point. l usually worry about a players mental health when they're coming back from a serious injury, I remember jimmy seemed uncomfortable about his knee initially, but I just get such a strong sense of stability and confidence from him. I think a lot of it has to do with his strong belief in him self and his faith. Regardless of my personal beliefs, I do think someone have unquestioned confidence and belief in themselves and their faith is a very powerful thing.

i harp on my concern for lances inexperience but I'll use a great example from Purdy. After his sophomore year, the expectations on him were through the roof. Well he followed up his junior and senior year falling short, he wasn't bad, but you can see he was trying to overcompensate because he felt like had to since his team was always under talented in comparison to the rest of the big 12 (power five conference). He talked about his those experiences helped him understand himself better and How to be a better qb. That he doesn't have to do that and he can trust his teammates and trust himself.

those kind of lessons are learned through experience - the high and lows of playing qb. The good and bad of what it takes to Carry a program. Purdy has a ton of experience having to carry programs to be heights, he did it in college and highschool, that I think it's help prepare him to be the leader of a franchise much quicker than most. He also has talked about how his faith helped him through those times.

i also understand that more experience doesn't mean you'll be a great QB or automatically be better than anyone else. It is important though for the mental development side of playing qb and being the leader that he needs to be.

In my opinion, those are the things that every qb goes through eventually. I think Brock's experience has been huge for him in that regard - which I think makes him uniquely qualified to handle the pressure of leading a super bowl caliber team at such a young age.

The Bold above, I think, prevents Purdy from regressing, or more accurately will help him to progress as fast as he can. NY85 likes to point out that Purdy *could regress* and while that is a possibility, the more probable course is that he *progresses* and becomes better. That mental set above, I think prevents any sort of regression to the mean, so to speak. In the interview, he had a great mindset - just do your job and don't listen to the platitudes that people (example Kyle and John) are saying about you. That stuff can go to someone's head and next thing is - Purdy's regressing. But he's not having any of that - and that is a wise man beyond his years.

If Brock would have stayed healthy in the Eagles game, I would think his performance in the Dallas Cowboy game would have would have been a similar in the Eagles game and we would have walked away with a win and a re-match with Patrick. Those two playoff games are high pressure games that neither Trey nor Sam have and won't unless they get into the playoffs.

I really do think Purdy's a generational talent. His genius was hidden in college because of a crap offensive coordinator and some unfortunate injuries and diseases in high school preventing him from going to a perennial college football powerhouse. I'd think he'd be in the realm of Trevor Lawrence and a possible 2022 first round pick if half of the things he went through broke his way.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by tankle104:
"And I think the biggest thing that people need to understand here is that what is being placed in the arms was to kind of pull that ligament back together to put things in place is basically made of collagen," Wagoner said. "It's a collagen tape, but it's very strong and the way [Dr. Jeff Dugas] explained it to me is that it's almost like Kevlar and it eventually dissolves. So when the ligament actually heals, that thing goes away and basically you're just kind of back to normal as opposed to putting a graft in like you do with Tommy John surgery."

Idk if anyone else was wondering this, but I was curious if the brace stays in the arm and if that benefits the ligament at all. So it turns out that as the ligament heals, the brace dissolves. Very interesting. I didn't know that

Just doing a bit of research on Collagen, apparently it can repair and - so it seems - strengthen the ligaments and joints. If Purdy's ligaments not only get repaired but grow stronger because of it, I would think that's a great positive result from a negative injury.

1. Collagen is the building block of the body
Surprise, surprise! The most abundant protein found in your body is collagen, which plays a vital role in providing support and elasticity to connective tissue, such as cartilage, bones, tendons and ligaments. Collagen also provides structural support to the skin, so your skin looks young, supple and wrinkle-free.
2. Collagen stimulates cartilage growth
Cartilage is a firm, rubbery material that covers the end of bones in joints. Over time, cartilage wear off due to ageing and repeated movement. As a result, tendons and ligaments stretch, and bones rub against each other, causing pain. Collagen provides support for the growth and repair of cartilage tissue, as well as relieve joint inflammation and pain. Boost collagen intake for your body, so you can sustain an active lifestyle and achieve your fitness goals.
https://www.brandsworld.com.my/en/article-listing/4-surprising-benefits-of-collagen-for-joint-and-bone-health.html

It may be a reason that some players get more ligament and tendon injuries. Their body may not be producing as much collagen as needed. It could also be a reason some players heal faster.

Appreciate you adding onto my post, Giedi. It's great info. Funny thing is that I was reading an article yesterday about a scientist who's living underwater in a capsule for 100 days and the effects it has on aging etc - it talked about how impotent Collagen is.

Makes me feel a little better about his arm once he's ready to go. Re injury is a bigger concern of mine than him not getting 100%. Sounds like he should be tip top Mcgoo though.

didn't Josh allen have an UCL injury this year? I wonder if they're making advancement that they can put one of these braces on and it'll heal better

Catchmaster and you have touched on Purdy's injury and how it can actually make him stronger in many ways vs not being injured. I'm a big advocate of *if it doesn't kill you, it will make you stronger* mindset. Nobody's touched on Purdy's mental toughness and spiritual faith as an athletic attribute to his fast healing...

Several studies have shown that injured athletes with higher levels of stress, anxiety, and fear of reinjury are less likely to fully recover. In one study of ACL reconstruction patients, those with higher levels of fear were 13 times more likely to suffer a second ACL tear within two years of returning to sports than those who were less fearful.
Depression, a common experience for injured athletes, has been associated with worse patient-reported outcomes, higher levels of pain, and increased rates of post-surgical complications.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1323417/

Strong scientific evidence suggests that individuals who regularly participate in spiritual worship services or related activities and who feel strongly that spirituality or the presence of a higher being or power are sources of strength and comfort to them are healthier and possess greater healing capabilities.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1323417/

That's a great point. l usually worry about a players mental health when they're coming back from a serious injury, I remember jimmy seemed uncomfortable about his knee initially, but I just get such a strong sense of stability and confidence from him. I think a lot of it has to do with his strong belief in him self and his faith. Regardless of my personal beliefs, I do think someone have unquestioned confidence and belief in themselves and their faith is a very powerful thing.

i harp on my concern for lances inexperience but I'll use a great example from Purdy. After his sophomore year, the expectations on him were through the roof. Well he followed up his junior and senior year falling short, he wasn't bad, but you can see he was trying to overcompensate because he felt like had to since his team was always under talented in comparison to the rest of the big 12 (power five conference). He talked about his those experiences helped him understand himself better and How to be a better qb. That he doesn't have to do that and he can trust his teammates and trust himself.

those kind of lessons are learned through experience - the high and lows of playing qb. The good and bad of what it takes to Carry a program. Purdy has a ton of experience having to carry programs to be heights, he did it in college and highschool, that I think it's help prepare him to be the leader of a franchise much quicker than most. He also has talked about how his faith helped him through those times.

i also understand that more experience doesn't mean you'll be a great QB or automatically be better than anyone else. It is important though for the mental development side of playing qb and being the leader that he needs to be.

In my opinion, those are the things that every qb goes through eventually. I think Brock's experience has been huge for him in that regard - which I think makes him uniquely qualified to handle the pressure of leading a super bowl caliber team at such a young age.

The Bold above, I think, prevents Purdy from regressing, or more accurately will help him to progress as fast as he can. NY85 likes to point out that Purdy *could regress* and while that is a possibility, the more probable course is that he *progresses* and becomes better. That mental set above, I think prevents any sort of regression to the mean, so to speak. In the interview, he had a great mindset - just do your job and don't listen to the platitudes that people (example Kyle and John) are saying about you. That stuff can go to someone's head and next thing is - Purdy's regressing. But he's not having any of that - and that is a wise man beyond his years.

If Brock would have stayed healthy in the Eagles game, I would think his performance in the Dallas Cowboy game would have would have been a similar in the Eagles game and we would have walked away with a win and a re-match with Patrick. Those two playoff games are high pressure games that neither Trey nor Sam have and won't unless they get into the playoffs.

I really do think Purdy's a generational talent. His genius was hidden in college because of a crap offensive coordinator and some unfortunate injuries and diseases in high school preventing him from going to a perennial college football powerhouse. I'd think he'd be in the realm of Trevor Lawrence and a possible 2022 first round pick if half of the things he went through broke his way.

I 100% agree, I think he's a special talent and going to be one of the best QBs of this generation. He won't do it as sexy as someone like mahommes but I think he will do it as pretty as someone like Bree's.

he is extremely mature and wise beyond his years and I think the experience leading programs to new heights is a big part of that. He had to work extremely hard and over prepare in order to do that.

he could regress, anything can happen, but I highly doubt it and think it's very unlikely. Some are acting like he's missing everything this off season like he tore his acl or something. He's doing everything but throwing a ball - which anyone that knows how QBs get better, it's a lot of things without a ball.

im not concerned about him at all, especially since his rehab is going great.

i feel like some take it as a diss to Trey by me saying this. It's more of a credit to Brock. I'm not as high on Lance as others and don't see him as generational like some do, I see Brock more that. I think Lance will be fine but I think we found someone special. He just needs to build on what he did last year and I Hope he doesn't plateau like jimmy did.
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by Bangbang89:
Glad Brock is on track but hate that apparently he's been anointed qb1. Yes he did play well last year but we've seen that all happen before. And then they end up not playing so well later on down the line. Not a fan of one single player, I'm a fan of the 49ers. I would like to see what lance would look like for 5 games straight. I just hope they're not rushing Brock back.

Just curious, if the team went 2-3 in that five-game stretch, will you consider that experiment to have been worthwhile?

Would that be all that different than our starts the last three seasons? If we started 2-3 under any QB, that'd just be par for the course (assuming this 5 game stretch happened at the start of the season).
[ Edited by 49ersRing on May 31, 2023 at 9:45 AM ]
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by Bangbang89:
Glad Brock is on track but hate that apparently he's been anointed qb1. Yes he did play well last year but we've seen that all happen before. And then they end up not playing so well later on down the line. Not a fan of one single player, I'm a fan of the 49ers. I would like to see what lance would look like for 5 games straight. I just hope they're not rushing Brock back.

Just curious, if the team went 2-3 in that five-game stretch, will you consider that experiment to have been worthwhile?

Would that be all that different than our starts the last three seasons? If we started 2-3 under any QB, that'd just be par for the course (assuming this 5 game stretch happened at the start of the season).
Yeah, that's been the norm outside of 2019 when we started 8-0 or whatever it was
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Only complaint I have a Brock Purdy is change that damn number from #13 to f**k I dunno #14 or #15 sorry Jennings.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Only complaint I have a Brock Purdy is change that damn number from #13 to f**k I dunno #14 or #15 sorry Jennings.

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