QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:
I think a lot of folks forgot that QBs USUALLY IMPROVE with experience and age. Lol that's what soured me in Jimmy, even though I still like and support him, but he never really got much better. He tended to make bonehead mistakes over and over again.

if Brock gets better, which everything says he will, it'll be a beautiful thing. He should get much better. I think he will improve on hitting his first read more often. I think his pocket presence will be improved. His timing with skill players will be improved. Etc. His experience last year was huge and will be great for him to study this off-season, like he has.

there's 0 reason to assume he won't, unless you're subconsciously hoping he doesn't.

Hear hear 👏 great post. I wish most people were that objective and logical at least when it comes to BCB

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I think a lot of folks forgot that QBs USUALLY IMPROVE with experience and age. Lol that's what soured me in Jimmy, even though I still like and support him, but he never really got much better. He tended to make bonehead mistakes over and over again.

if Brock gets better, which everything says he will, it'll be a beautiful thing. He should get much better. I think he will improve on hitting his first read more often. I think his pocket presence will be improved. His timing with skill players will be improved. Etc. His experience last year was huge and will be great for him to study this off-season, like he has.

there's 0 reason to assume he won't, unless you're subconsciously hoping he doesn't.

Hear hear 👏 great post. I wish most people were that objective and logical at least when it comes to BCB

Same! Stupid to anoint him as a first ballot HOFer as some have and stupid to assume he is a flash in the pan who won't improve like others have. Ignore the fringes.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by elguapo:
What almost every single person talking about Purdy missed, whether it's in support of Lance or not, is that he may actually IMPROVE in his second year. All of you expecting defenses to "figure him out" either aren't thinking this through or are biased because they want to make a point and diminish what he did as a rookie which was historical.

So even if defenses "figure him out" like a lot of you are saying, that will more than get canceled out or outweighed by the improvements Purdy could make from year one onward. Why aren't any of you acknowledging this? It is utterly ridiculous. The fact that he can extend plays and throw on the run is a factor that defenses mostly cannot figure out. Look at our number one defense. It always has trouble against quarterbacks that are mobile and make unscripted plays. Brock is one of those qbs and he proved that last year. It's just hilarious. I just don't see how more people or analysts aren't considering how much improvement he can make from year one. They just keep repeating defenses can figure him out

Great point... no doubt BCB will improve from year 1 to year 2, the classic sophomore year jump.... he gonna be much better which is a scary thought for the rest of the league

Yeah the improvements will far outweigh the defenses figuring him out. Also, tendencies can be worked on and corrected which I'm sure Purdy will do. Unlike Kaepernick or Garoppolo he works on this during the off-season.

I think a lot of folks forgot that QBs USUALLY IMPROVE with experience and age. Lol that's what soured me in Jimmy, even though I still like and support him, but he never really got much better. He tended to make bonehead mistakes over and over again.

if Brock gets better, which everything says he will, it'll be a beautiful thing. He should get much better. I think he will improve on hitting his first read more often. I think his pocket presence will be improved. His timing with skill players will be improved. Etc. His experience last year was huge and will be great for him to study this off-season, like he has.

there's 0 reason to assume he won't, unless you're subconsciously hoping he doesn't.

There seems like a few pretty obvious reasons to assume Brock won't be better than he was last year. The primary being that even if he heals on schedule, he's going to miss almost the entire offseason. Are there any other examples of a 2nd year QB making a big leap after spending their entire offseason rehabbing? Joe Burrow is the most recent example that comes to mind, but he was a full participant by the start of Training Camp in 2021 and he was dealing with a leg injury, not an injury to his throwing arm.

Brock is gunna be throwing soon? 😍
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Originally posted by 49ersRing:
There seems like a few pretty obvious reasons to assume Brock won't be better than he was last year. The primary being that even if he heals on schedule, he's going to miss almost the entire offseason. Are there any other examples of a 2nd year QB making a big leap after spending their entire offseason rehabbing? Joe Burrow is the most recent example that comes to mind, but he was a full participant by the start of Training Camp in 2021 and he was dealing with a leg injury, not an injury to his throwing arm.

Well I'd argue he isn't missing the entire off season. In my opinion, that would be a situation like when A player is recovering from an ACL injury, because they can't work on footwork/mechanics in general.

Brock really hasn't missed much besides throwing a physical ball - which any QB coach would tell you that you don't throw every day. You can get much better without throwing a ball. He's Been working on his footwork, studying the playbook, working on the different timing with different players (without throwing but like footwork/coverages), going through drills with a towel.

he's heading to Florida soon to work with the same group that improved his mechanics last season (and added 5mph to his throw).

depending on his throwing rehab, he will participate in camp, albeit probably limited for a while. He will be 6-7 weeks through a 12 week rehab by the time camp even starts, so it's likely he participates but probably doesn't Throw much until week 9-10. He's also slight ahead of schedule.

Overall, I don't think Brock is missing the off season. He just isn't throwing a football yet. He also may have a slightly stronger arm because of the emphasis on the arm muscles etc during the rehab.

Sure, it's possible he regresses but i think it's improbable. I've also posted many times that about this stuff and people like to ignore it for some reason.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Except the GM/HC already have. There's nothing Trey can do this off season to derail Brock from starting once healthy. The reality is Trey just isn't in position to get a "fair tryout" here. He can help to instill confidence in QB2 though.

Health issues for Brock is the only chance he'll get in live games to turn the narrative but fortunately for Trey, he and the other 49er QB's are 49er QB's, so the odds of him getting a real in-season tryout is likely around these parts. At least at some point. Probably this year, if we're playing the odds.

Not true kyle said Lance can earn that QB1 spot. If Brock comes into camp and looks bad they aren't gonna just toss him out there. We all know how much kyle values practice. I agree with the idea that Brock is the leader and will more than likely be the first guy once healthy…I don't think they will allow him to play like s**t for a couple games though. I don't think it's a "it will take an injury" for Lance to get in. Brock has to maintain his play to continue…no long leashes allowed. No development allowed, since this is a Super Bowl roster and all.

You really believe that? Nothing Trey could do in pre season could ever come close to real live NFL games and the playoffs.

Unless Brock's arm falls off, there's nothing Trey could do to even come close to that reality to ever get a fair enough shake to make a monster move like that just before the start of the season. I just don't see it.

Stranger things have happened, I guess?

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I've been a Lance fan from the moment we made the trade up. I have to admit I'm disappointed to this point, not necessarily from him, but a confluence of unfortunate events. Still, Lance represents the highest potential our offense can achieve. The problem is that Purdy's floor is really high, he came in and immediately had success. We should expect a small slide backwards this season as D coordinators pull apart his weaknesses, but I think he can legitimately be a fringe top-10 QB in the league. And paired with this roster, that may be enough to win a SB. Lance has much higher volatility, but the low-probable boom possibility with Lance remains intriguing.

If Mahomes is essentially what Lance could achieve at this "low-probable boom possibility" and Brees is the same for Purdy, I think everyone would agree you'd want Mahomes.

With all that said, it will be nearly impossible for Lance to usurp Purdy, unless he essentially throws a perfect game between now and whenever Purdy is in football shape.

What almost every single person talking about Purdy missed, whether it's in support of Lance or not, is that he may actually IMPROVE in his second year. All of you expecting defenses to "figure him out" either aren't thinking this through or are biased because they want to make a point and diminish what he did as a rookie which was historical.

So even if defenses "figure him out" like a lot of you are saying, that will more than get canceled out or outweighed by the improvements Purdy could make from year one onward. Why aren't any of you acknowledging this? It is utterly ridiculous. The fact that he can extend plays and throw on the run is a factor that defenses mostly cannot figure out. Look at our number one defense. It always has trouble against quarterbacks that are mobile and make unscripted plays. Brock is one of those qbs and he proved that last year. It's just hilarious. I just don't see how more people or analysts aren't considering how much improvement he can make from year one. They just keep repeating defenses can figure him out

We have no idea if Purdy will continue his level of play, improve, or decline. He's much more a finished product than Lance. And Lance has some elite-level attributes that Purdy lacks. Purdy does have elite quickness and decision-making.

Most likely, Purdy (who's demonstrated it) will be the starter, be a good starter with a chance for a championship.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
We have no idea if Purdy will continue his level of play, improve, or decline. He's much more a finished product than Lance. And Lance has some elite-level attributes that Purdy lacks. Purdy does have elite quickness and decision-making.

Most likely, Purdy (who's demonstrated it) will be the starter, be a good starter with a chance for a championship.

Lance only has some elite level physical traits. We don't know if he has elite level qb traits. Those are two different things in my opinion. Trey has to play more and be in more situations before we can know that.

i don't think Trey has ever even had a game winning drive situation in his life. Two minute drill to win it. Etc.

im not saying he CANT do it or doesn't have that traits, im saying we don't know. So you can't say Trey has elite qb traits that Purdy doesn't.

trey has thrown the ball 500 times in his life in a game. No one, including Trey, knows what qb traits he really has.

Purdy isn't a finished product. He's just a more polished product. Much more refined and experienced. If he's near being a "finished product", then that would mean he doesn't have much room to improve. And that would make me sad :(

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Same! Stupid to anoint him as a first ballot HOFer as some have and stupid to assume he is a flash in the pan who won't improve like others have. Ignore the fringes.

Wouldn't call either view stupid. One of the key reasons we all follow football so much involves all of the early guessing and projecting. Everyone loves to gamble and get their thoughts in early. But that's all either view is. We'll see what really happens.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Unless Brock's arm falls off, there's nothing Trey could do to even come close to that reality . . . . .

Exhibit A, anyone?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Unless Brock's arm falls off, there's nothing Trey could do to even come close to that reality . . . . .

Exhibit A, anyone?

In what case?

If Brock's arm is healthy, he is the starter.

"Brock sucked against the cowboys cause he only scored 19!" Lmao such a joke. It was insanely impressive what he did against the cowboys defense, they were very very good.

"The rookie was challenged in the pocket, facing pressure on 16 of his 33 dropbacks (48.5 percent). Purdy had his struggles with the pass rush in his face and completed four of his 12 attempts for 55 yards when under pressure. The Cowboys also registered two sacks and caused two scrambles

Purdy still was effective downfield, completing six of his eight attempts for 126 yards on targeted throws of 10 or more yards downfield. The 23-year old completed two of his four attempts of 20 yards or more, with both completions coming between the hashes.

Purdy has not thrown an interception in his last 95 pass attempts"

Kurt Warner dropped a new video on Brock!

https://youtu.be/W8MnWDw5J9Q

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I think a lot of folks forgot that QBs USUALLY IMPROVE with experience and age. Lol that's what soured me in Jimmy, even though I still like and support him, but he never really got much better. He tended to make bonehead mistakes over and over again.

if Brock gets better, which everything says he will, it'll be a beautiful thing. He should get much better. I think he will improve on hitting his first read more often. I think his pocket presence will be improved. His timing with skill players will be improved. Etc. His experience last year was huge and will be great for him to study this off-season, like he has.

there's 0 reason to assume he won't, unless you're subconsciously hoping he doesn't.

Hear hear 👏 great post. I wish most people were that objective and logical at least when it comes to BCB

Same! Stupid to anoint him as a first ballot HOFer as some have and stupid to assume he is a flash in the pan who won't improve like others have. Ignore the fringes.

I just dont understand who Guapo is arguing with. "I wish most people were that objective and logical....when it comes to BCB."

Who isnt being objective or logical?

An overwhelming majority of Niner fans fall into the following categories:

1) People who were thrilled with what they saw last year and believe he will continue to grow into a great QB
2) People who were thrilled with what they saw last year, and are cautiously optimistic moving forward (for whatever reason), and want to see him do it over a larger sample size

Then you have a ridiculously small handful of posters who are in this group:

3) People who think Brock peaked and was lucky last year

I would estimate there are about 10 people on this board who fall into category 3, so I really dont understand the need to call these folks out. This isnt like the Jimmy G argument, where there were legitimately legions of Niner fans on both sides of the debate. To call out "most people" as being illogical and not objective is headscratching to me.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Except the GM/HC already have. There's nothing Trey can do this off season to derail Brock from starting once healthy. The reality is Trey just isn't in position to get a "fair tryout" here. He can help to instill confidence in QB2 though.

Health issues for Brock is the only chance he'll get in live games to turn the narrative but fortunately for Trey, he and the other 49er QB's are 49er QB's, so the odds of him getting a real in-season tryout is likely around these parts. At least at some point. Probably this year, if we're playing the odds.

Not true kyle said Lance can earn that QB1 spot. If Brock comes into camp and looks bad they aren't gonna just toss him out there. We all know how much kyle values practice. I agree with the idea that Brock is the leader and will more than likely be the first guy once healthy…I don't think they will allow him to play like s**t for a couple games though. I don't think it's a "it will take an injury" for Lance to get in. Brock has to maintain his play to continue…no long leashes allowed. No development allowed, since this is a Super Bowl roster and all.

You really believe that? Nothing Trey could do in pre season could ever come close to real live NFL games and the playoffs.

Unless Brock's arm falls off, there's nothing Trey could do to even come close to that reality to ever get a fair enough shake to make a monster move like that just before the start of the season. I just don't see it.

Stranger things have happened, I guess?

I think if Brock has a setback from his injury recovery and Lance starts the season lighting the world on fire, Trey could retain the starting job. But if both are healthy and "competing" in training camp, I really cant see Brock losing the QB1 spot under any circumstance.