QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
As for the TD to Kittle at LV, that's asking a lot to make that first read. Jennings was open for a split second, and pressure was coming from that side. He was looking that direction, so I find it NOT likely that it was a misread, and more likely simply doubt that he could make the play over number 98. A hesitation.

EDIT: Regarding the Kroft play, that wasn't a misread. That was being conservative. Not trusting he could throw it that far without messing it up in a crucial moment.
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Regardless. The point is, Purdy does not predetermine where he's going with the ball presnap and fail to adjust from that. He actually reads the defense.

Rookies are not going to read the defense correctly every time. The point is, he will see a busted coverage and exploit it, rather than completely ignore what's going on around the whole field and blindly stick to the progression like Jimmy does. He'll actually use built-in alerts and improvise. Even you can't deny that.

Totally disagree that's a lot to asked. You as the QB know the route he's running there. We're all guessing here but it looked like his first read. Even kyle said he missed some reads that game.

You determining what's a misread and what's not is pure speculation. You don't know the progressions, that's a question for Brock/kyle.

You're playing off that Brock wasn't sure he could throw it far enough for a wide open Kroft? Come on man

Do not take my argument and twist it and create a straw man. I didn't mean he didn't think he COULD make that throw. That's idiotic nonsense, as he's done it many times before. I meant IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, with the game on the line, it's a bigger chance to take to throw it down the field to the wide open guy than to throw it shorter to the more covered guy you trust more. He trusted the shorter pass to Kittle more.

There shouldn't be any room for you to pretend you don't know what I meant now. He COULD throw that pass to Kroft, but he knew the chances of missing it were greater than the chances of missing Kittle, and the chances of Kroft dropping it were greater than the chances of Kittle dropping it. Ever play QB before? I did, and I chose the tighter, shorter throw to someone I depended on when another guy was more open in crunch time.

Brock Purdy gets the conversion thanks to Kittle. Look at Kroft wide open. pic.twitter.com/ekowPqtyHt

— Matt Waldman (@MattWaldman) December 5, 2022

saying he doesn't predetermine where he going is straight up nonsense. Every QB does that at some point. literally that was one of his issues in college locking onto one read.

For sure he's a rookie and I don't expect him to make all the proper reads. Saying he's got elite vision like Mahomes or he doesn't make predetermine reads is a straight up fake news.

You're talking about fake news while you're deliberately misrepresenting my argument.

First of all, when I've made comparisons to Mahomes, it's regarding his STYLE. His ARM ANGLES, the OFF PLATFORM THROWS, the scrambling behind the line. Second, his vision is better than Jimmy's. That doesn't mean it's elite. It may be. It may not be. All I know is he doesn't play like Jimmy. He doesn't predetermine 90% of his throws. You can tell because he gets so many second chance plays.

Like who do you think you are? boast? The king of misrepresenting someone's argument? Definitely giving him a run for his money as the bs argument twisting king.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean Nick Foles shouldn't be the goal lol. Yes they got a ring, we will all take that. We're talking about long-term FQBs though.

That's like saying you're cool with Trent dilfer

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
uh....I am laughing about it...???.

you criticizing brock for converting a 3rd and 1 is what you are missing....reaching for table scraps in the dumpster dude....

and I never blasted trey about missing this or that throw. Now you are making s**t up out of thin air. I've always said his wind up needs to get quicker and he MUST protect himself. true 3 years ago maybe still true today. looking forward to tc to see if he has made strides.

...not losing sleep over it anymore, though....

you're so offended/defensive that you don't even see the context of why I brought it up.

ring said he doesn't make pre-snap predetermine reads like Jimmy did….I showed him a f**king play of him doing exactly that. You walk in like Vince McMahon puffing up your chest b***hing about a video you have no context on.

And yeah converting a 3rd and 1 is nice….missing a wide open explosive on an easy throw is a big miss and something kyle will scream about. He did the same s**t with Jimmy.

b******t you don't blast Lance. I'm not gonna go down another rabbit hole pointing fingers and whatnot. If you can't read the context of the conversation prior to you being in it…maybe sit it out for a min.

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean Nick Foles shouldn't be the goal lol. Yes they got a ring, we will all take that. We're talking about long-term FQBs though.

That's like saying you're cool with Trent dilfer

More like Super Bowl MVP.

How's he doing now?

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Like who do you think you are? boast? The king of misrepresenting someone's argument? Definitely giving him a run for his money as the bs argument twisting king.

Bull s**t man. You come off as if you know every progression and for sure know why he didn't make such and such a throw. I show a couple plays of stuff that you said he doesn't ever do…then you say he wasn't sure he thought he had the arm strength to make that throw? Don't call straw man, when that's your rebuttal.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Do not take my argument and twist it and create a straw man. I didn't mean he didn't think he COULD make that throw. That's idiotic nonsense, as he's done it many times before. I meant IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, with the game on the line, it's a bigger chance to take to throw it down the field to the wide open guy than to throw it shorter to the more covered guy you trust more. He trusted the shorter pass to Kittle more.

There shouldn't be any room for you to pretend you don't know what I meant now. He COULD throw that pass to Kroft, but he knew the chances of missing it were greater than the chances of missing Kittle, and the chances of Kroft dropping it were greater than the chances of Kittle dropping it. Ever play QB before? I did, and I chose the tighter, shorter throw to someone I depended on when another guy was more open in crunch time.

You're talking about fake news while you're deliberately misrepresenting my argument.

First of all, when I've made comparisons to Mahomes, it's regarding his STYLE. His ARM ANGLES, the OFF PLATFORM THROWS, the scrambling behind the line. Second, his vision is better than Jimmy's. That doesn't mean it's elite. It may be. It may not be. All I know is he doesn't play like Jimmy. He doesn't predetermine 90% of his throws. You can tell because he gets so many second chance plays.

No you said he has the same vision as Mahomes…and not a chance in hell he has any of the same qualities as Mahomes in regards to throwing or arm anything. I'll call fake news on that all day. Mahomes is one of one.

Damn near half the league has a quarterback that can scramble behind the LOS. You tossing out the leagues best player to comp is silly. I do not agree with any of that. Too each their own there

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Like who do you think you are? boast? The king of misrepresenting someone's argument? Definitely giving him a run for his money as the bs argument twisting king.

Bull s**t man. You come off as if you know every progression and for sure know why he didn't make such and such a throw. I show a couple plays of stuff that you said he doesn't ever do…then you say he wasn't sure he thought he had the arm strength to make that throw? Don't call straw man, when that's your rebuttal.

I said he doesn't do it ever? If I made a comment like, "He doesn't predetermine his throws," I figured it was clearly obvious I meant, "He doesn't predetermine his throws almost all the time."

As for the "he wasn't sure," you did it again! I didn't say he wasn't sure he had the arm strength to throw it lmao. I said, "Not trusting he could throw it that far without messing it up in a crucial moment." The point here isn't that he doesn't have the arm strength to throw it. The point is that the deeper the throw the harder it is to be accurate with them. That's the entire reason any of us every brought up completed air yards per pass attempt or intended air yards per pass attempt when discussing Jimmy. Shorter throws are easier to complete. Not because it takes less arm strength, but because it's easier to be accurate short than it is deep.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
uh....I am laughing about it...???.

you criticizing brock for converting a 3rd and 1 is what you are missing....reaching for table scraps in the dumpster dude....

and I never blasted trey about missing this or that throw. Now you are making s**t up out of thin air. I've always said his wind up needs to get quicker and he MUST protect himself. true 3 years ago maybe still true today. looking forward to tc to see if he has made strides.

...not losing sleep over it anymore, though....

you're so offended/defensive that you don't even see the context of why I brought it up.

ring said he doesn't make pre-snap predetermine reads like Jammy did….I showed him a f**king play of him doing exactly that. You walk in like Vince McMahon puffing up your chest b***hing about a video you have no context on.

And yeah converting a 3rd and 1 is nice….missing a wide open explosive on an easy throw is a big miss and something kyle will scream about. He did the same s**t with Jimmy.

b******t you don't blast Lance. I'm not gonna go down another rabbit hole pointing fingers and whatnot. If you can't read the context of the conversation prior to you being in it…maybe sit it out for a min.

YYou and ring are both wrong. The key decision on that play was can Kittle get the first down. that was it.that's the only decision. the answer was yes. he pulled the trigger he made the play. Right call right decision fk croft f*** improvising get the first down at modfield. Perfect read perfect call perfect execution first down you guys can whine about this or that he made the right decision at the right moment on that play. It's not about predetermined this or that he made the read kyle wanted the read was green he pulled the trigger and it worked That's exactly what a quarterback robot needs to do in that situation. Can't see why you both are whining.Wrong played to whine about

And again I challenge you to find one negative crabby post by me about Trey. Never felt that way about him still don't. I think he's got some things to do to grow but that's not hating. And so don't try and make it sound like it is

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Do not take my argument and twist it and create a straw man. I didn't mean he didn't think he COULD make that throw. That's idiotic nonsense, as he's done it many times before. I meant IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, with the game on the line, it's a bigger chance to take to throw it down the field to the wide open guy than to throw it shorter to the more covered guy you trust more. He trusted the shorter pass to Kittle more.

There shouldn't be any room for you to pretend you don't know what I meant now. He COULD throw that pass to Kroft, but he knew the chances of missing it were greater than the chances of missing Kittle, and the chances of Kroft dropping it were greater than the chances of Kittle dropping it. Ever play QB before? I did, and I chose the tighter, shorter throw to someone I depended on when another guy was more open in crunch time.

You're talking about fake news while you're deliberately misrepresenting my argument.

First of all, when I've made comparisons to Mahomes, it's regarding his STYLE. His ARM ANGLES, the OFF PLATFORM THROWS, the scrambling behind the line. Second, his vision is better than Jimmy's. That doesn't mean it's elite. It may be. It may not be. All I know is he doesn't play like Jimmy. He doesn't predetermine 90% of his throws. You can tell because he gets so many second chance plays.

No you said he has the same vision as Mahomes…and not a chance in hell he has any of the same qualities as Mahomes in regards to throwing or arm anything. I'll call fake news on that all day. Mahomes is one of one.

Damn near half the league has a quarterback that can scramble behind the LOS. You tossing out the leagues best player to comp is silly. I do not agree with any of that. Too each their own there

So your reasoning is that I HAD to mean he has the same vision because Brock can't make the same arm angles as Mahomes? LOL dude no. My comparison to Mahomes has ALWAYS been the arm angles. You denying it makes me think maybe you did what the Jimmy stans did when Trey played and turned off the tv lol. He absolutely showed Mahomes like arm angles and off platform throws, and he did it in college. He just lacks the arm strength.

That's why when Purdy was horizontal and throwing the ball, while he made the same manuever (THE SAME ARM ANGLE AND OFF PLATFORM THROW), the pass was a throwaway, while Mahomes' similar play was an attempt to score.

https://www.facebook.com/foxsportsaus/videos/brock-purdy-channelling-his-inner-patrick-mahomes-/429765712115438/

He does things like this that Mahomes does (and no this isn't me lmao):



And of course, I'm not the only guy who has noticed this. Steve Young did.



Steve adds the notion about being "present," which is what Purdy showed on that previous clip. The guy who pump fakes past the line of scrimmage, because it's a tiny thing that might give you an advantage, that other guys won't think of.

Note: he MAY have Mahomes' level of vision, but he'd never be able to fully exploit it. And he's still a rookie, so he's going to make bad reads. All I know for a fact is he sees the field better than Jimmy. But my Mahomes comparison to him is the quick reaction, the arm angles, the improvisation.

Brock Purdy is the best QB we have in our roster until he's not. He's not perfect, he's not Patrick Mahomes or at least not yet, he's not your ideal prototype QB but so was Montana, Brady, Brees, etc. But he has what most of other QB's don't have, the ability to mentally process the game with grit and toughness just like Montana, Brady,….etc. although he did that in less than a full season games but it's already impressive enough that he won all his games including the division championship and he's not a physically lame QB either. He's definitely more athletic than Brady and his 10 yard split was among the best. He's what we got, he's a 49er, he's considered as the the team's QB1 once he gets his feet back, he's the leader of our team, he's got my support and I'm rooting for him to beat Mahomes whenever the team plays them.

Originally posted by 49erF90:
Brock Purdy is the best QB we have in our roster until he's not. He's not perfect, he's not Patrick Mahomes or at least not yet, he's not your ideal prototype QB but so was Montana, Brady, Brees, etc. But he has what most of other QB's don't have, the ability to mentally process the game with grit and toughness just like Montana, Brady,….etc. although he did that in less than a full season games but it's already impressive enough that he won all his games including the division championship and he's not a physically lame QB either. He's definitely more athletic than Brady and his 10 yard split was among the best. He's what we got, he's a 49er, he's considered as the the team's QB1 once he gets his feet back, he's the leader of our team, he's got my support and I'm rooting for him to beat Mahomes whenever the team plays them.

Well, we'll see if Trey has made the strides everyone thought. Just by improving his accuracy a great deal he might be the better option even if he's not quite as fast a processor as Purdy (who seems to be very, very fast at reacting to what he sees). It depends on how much. If Trey can actually hit the target at all levels of the field, in a vacuum I think I might actually prefer him. I understand there are locker room politics. He'd have to prove it. But, just hypothetically speaking, if he's accurate, I feel like he's a better threat to the defense and I'd pick him.

But that all depends on how much (if at all) he really improved his absolutely atrocious accuracy.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
uh....I am laughing about it...???.

you criticizing brock for converting a 3rd and 1 is what you are missing....reaching for table scraps in the dumpster dude....

and I never blasted trey about missing this or that throw. Now you are making s**t up out of thin air. I've always said his wind up needs to get quicker and he MUST protect himself. true 3 years ago maybe still true today. looking forward to tc to see if he has made strides.

...not losing sleep over it anymore, though....

you're so offended/defensive that you don't even see the context of why I brought it up.

ring said he doesn't make pre-snap predetermine reads like Jimmy did….I showed him a f**king play of him doing exactly that. You walk in like Vince McMahon puffing up your chest b***hing about a video you have no context on.

And yeah converting a 3rd and 1 is nice….missing a wide open explosive on an easy throw is a big miss and something kyle will scream about. He did the same s**t with Jimmy.

b******t you don't blast Lance. I'm not gonna go down another rabbit hole pointing fingers and whatnot. If you can't read the context of the conversation prior to you being in it…maybe sit it out for a min.

Whoa! That's my job!

Originally posted by fropwns:
Whoa! That's my job!

Projection? lol.