QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by tankle104:
We scored 50 touchdowns total last year (30 passing & 20 rushing).

Interesting that 12 of 16 of Jimmie's touchdowns came inside the 20 and 4 of 14 of Purdys did. Much more explosive plays. The deep ball or at least chunk plays, were much more normal when Purdy was In

The Brock vs Jimmy numbers are very misleading. Brock was QB for 9 of the 10 games in the CMC era. Defenses played us completely differently after that trade. Case in point, Kittle scored all of his 11 TD's after the trade and we averaged about 160 yards on the ground.

Can't compare Jimmy + Jeff Wilson with Brock and CMC.

CMC made a big difference but Brock would of still played at a high level. It's not like CMC hasn't played with other QBs before and none of them played at Brock's level.

realistically, any qb that is worth their salt should perform very well at worst here. No one should have a bad or crappy game. The talent, coaching, scheme etc here is all top notch. I think if you play poorly here, it's a reflection on the qb and nothing else. At all times, a qb here has at least 2 all pro/pro bowlers on the field. Most of the time 4+.
great qb friendly scheme and a top notch play caller.

IMO, if a qb doesn't play well here - they're either not ready to play in the league or just bad. The argument of "1 good player was missing" or "CMC Wasn't here" is bunk and excuses.

Those guys help a lot but still the team is too good and too well coached for anyone to have a less than above average game.

when it comes to Lance, it's just a matter of inexperience. The only way to fix that is playing, so it's sort of a double edge sword. I don't think it's so much to do with he can't lay qb, it's just that he hasn't very much.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by tankle104:
We scored 50 touchdowns total last year (30 passing & 20 rushing).

Interesting that 12 of 16 of Jimmie's touchdowns came inside the 20 and 4 of 14 of Purdys did. Much more explosive plays. The deep ball or at least chunk plays, were much more normal when Purdy was In

The Brock vs Jimmy numbers are very misleading. Brock was QB for 9 of the 10 games in the CMC era. Defenses played us completely differently after that trade. Case in point, Kittle scored all of his 11 TD's after the trade and we averaged about 160 yards on the ground.

Can't compare Jimmy + Jeff Wilson with Brock and CMC.

CMC made a big difference but Brock would of still played at a high level. It's not like CMC hasn't played with other QBs before and none of them played at Brock's level.

realistically, any qb that is worth their salt should perform very well at worst here. No one should have a bad or crappy game. The talent, coaching, scheme etc here is all top notch. I think if you play poorly here, it's a reflection on the qb and nothing else. At all times, a qb here has at least 2 all pro/pro bowlers on the field. Most of the time 4+.
great qb friendly scheme and a top notch play caller.

IMO, if a qb doesn't play well here - they're either not ready to play in the league or just bad. The argument of "1 good player was missing" or "CMC Wasn't here" is bunk and excuses.

Those guys help a lot but still the team is too good and too well coached for anyone to have a less than above average game.

I agree with this it would be pretty hard to look terrible at QB here, just ball out to elite playmakers, let them eat
it's an embarrassment of riches on O, we are very fortunate, I haven't seen the O built like this since the 90s

Originally posted by All22:
The Brock vs Jimmy numbers are very misleading. Brock was QB for 9 of the 10 games in the CMC era. Defenses played us completely differently after that trade. Case in point, Kittle scored all of his 11 TD's after the trade and we averaged about 160 yards on the ground.

Can't compare Jimmy + Jeff Wilson with Brock and CMC.

Um not true

CMC was there for the Rams, Chargers, Cardinals and Saints game that Jimmy started. Was even there for the Chiefs game albeit with no practice.

Originally posted by All22:
The Brock vs Jimmy numbers are very misleading. Brock was QB for 9 of the 10 games in the CMC era. Defenses played us completely differently after that trade. Case in point, Kittle scored all of his 11 TD's after the trade and we averaged about 160 yards on the ground.

Can't compare Jimmy + Jeff Wilson with Brock and CMC.

CMC was in SF since the KC game. Not shocking that Jimmy played some of his best football those next 4 games with all our guys.

Some like to toss out Brock's stats (understandable) how about Jimmy those 4 games…

completed 73% of his passes
113.25 QB rating
Avg 232 yards
8 total TDs to zero INTs

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by tankle104:
We scored 50 touchdowns total last year (30 passing & 20 rushing).

Interesting that 12 of 16 of Jimmie's touchdowns came inside the 20 and 4 of 14 of Purdys did. Much more explosive plays. The deep ball or at least chunk plays, were much more normal when Purdy was In

The Brock vs Jimmy numbers are very misleading. Brock was QB for 9 of the 10 games in the CMC era. Defenses played us completely differently after that trade. Case in point, Kittle scored all of his 11 TD's after the trade and we averaged about 160 yards on the ground.

Can't compare Jimmy + Jeff Wilson with Brock and CMC.

I always dreamed of Saquon Barkley being on Kyles offense, but looking back in the draft, he went #2 and McGlinchey was at #8. CMC was #8 the year we picked Solomon at #3. Kyles offense would have been totally different from the beginning if it was CMC vs Solomon.

I know Kyle has a genius for picking RBs late in the draft, but his offense really is explosive with round 1, pick 1 running back talent level like CMC. Next franchise RB for Kyle after CMCs career is over is (I'm hoping) for a Earl Campbell sized and talented RB with Jerry Rice's hands. . Kyles offense would be unstoppable with that kind of talent. You can put Nick Mullens back there as QB and still easly win the superbowl.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by tankle104:
We scored 50 touchdowns total last year (30 passing & 20 rushing).

Interesting that 12 of 16 of Jimmie's touchdowns came inside the 20 and 4 of 14 of Purdys did. Much more explosive plays. The deep ball or at least chunk plays, were much more normal when Purdy was In

The Brock vs Jimmy numbers are very misleading. Brock was QB for 9 of the 10 games in the CMC era. Defenses played us completely differently after that trade. Case in point, Kittle scored all of his 11 TD's after the trade and we averaged about 160 yards on the ground.

Can't compare Jimmy + Jeff Wilson with Brock and CMC.

I always dreamed of Saquon Barkley being on Kyles offense, but looking back in the draft, he went #2 and McGlinchey was at #8. CMC was #8 the year we picked Solomon at #3. Kyles offense would have been totally different from the beginning if it was CMC vs Solomon.

I know Kyle has a genius for picking RBs late in the draft, but his offense really is explosive with round 1, pick 1 running back talent level like CMC. Next franchise RB for Kyle after CMCs career is over is (I'm hoping) for a Earl Campbell sized and talented RB with Jerry Rice's hands. . Kyles offense would be unstoppable with that kind of talent. You can put Nick Mullens back there as QB and still easly win the superbowl.

just get Mason on the jugs machine, see what happens

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by All22:
The Brock vs Jimmy numbers are very misleading. Brock was QB for 9 of the 10 games in the CMC era. Defenses played us completely differently after that trade. Case in point, Kittle scored all of his 11 TD's after the trade and we averaged about 160 yards on the ground.

Can't compare Jimmy + Jeff Wilson with Brock and CMC.

CMC was in SF since the KC game. Not shocking that Jimmy played some of his best football those next 4 games with all our guys.

Some like to toss out Brock's stats (understandable) how about Jimmy those 4 games…

completed 73% of his passes
113.25 QB rating
Avg 232 yards
8 total TDs to zero INTs

Yeah, it's undeniable that CMC made whoever he was playing with much better. CMC is probably the best all around back in the league and he's exceptional at all phases, he's a great receiver (better than a lot of WR) and runner. The attention he demands from the defense, whether he gets the ball or not, makes everyone's job easier. You have to focus on CMC every play, meaning deebo, Aiyuk, and Kittle all have easier tasks.

i feel like jimmy played his best football yet last season before he got hurt.

my point was that not playing with CMC isn't an excuse for any qb to have a bad game, like jimmy in Denver (even though he didn't get reps with the team in camp, still not a good enough excuse in my opinion). I think playing with CMC will expedite lances learning curve, for sure. It'll take a lot of stress off of him and a great safety blanket. Same way it did for Brock and jimmy

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by tankle104:
We scored 50 touchdowns total last year (30 passing & 20 rushing).

Interesting that 12 of 16 of Jimmie's touchdowns came inside the 20 and 4 of 14 of Purdys did. Much more explosive plays. The deep ball or at least chunk plays, were much more normal when Purdy was In

The Brock vs Jimmy numbers are very misleading. Brock was QB for 9 of the 10 games in the CMC era. Defenses played us completely differently after that trade. Case in point, Kittle scored all of his 11 TD's after the trade and we averaged about 160 yards on the ground.

Can't compare Jimmy + Jeff Wilson with Brock and CMC.

I always dreamed of Saquon Barkley being on Kyles offense, but looking back in the draft, he went #2 and McGlinchey was at #8. CMC was #8 the year we picked Solomon at #3. Kyles offense would have been totally different from the beginning if it was CMC vs Solomon.

I know Kyle has a genius for picking RBs late in the draft, but his offense really is explosive with round 1, pick 1 running back talent level like CMC. Next franchise RB for Kyle after CMCs career is over is (I'm hoping) for a Earl Campbell sized and talented RB with Jerry Rice's hands. . Kyles offense would be unstoppable with that kind of talent. You can put Nick Mullens back there as QB and still easly win the superbowl.

just get Mason on the jugs machine, see what happens

It's eye opening how CMC drastically changed the level of offensive firepower of Kyles offense. Its a shame that Roger Craig isn't in the Hall of Fame because that offense was unstoppable with him operating that RB position. If you can get an undrafted RB to the level of CMC/Marshall Faulk - you deserve to be up there with the Vince Lombardi's and Bill Walsh's of the coaching world. If Mason and Mitchell can get better at Kyles passing game, man o man, that would be one deep RB squad. Purdy or Trey will be scoring tons of points this year.

Originally posted by All22:
The Brock vs Jimmy numbers are very misleading. Brock was QB for 9 of the 10 games in the CMC era. Defenses played us completely differently after that trade. Case in point, Kittle scored all of his 11 TD's after the trade and we averaged about 160 yards on the ground.

Can't compare Jimmy + Jeff Wilson with Brock and CMC.

Yet, people have no problem comparing Brock to Trey without CMC/Mitchell, without Kittle, and with 60% of the offensive line making their first start together in the rain.

Why? Biases.

https://youtu.be/3T7CELX3bmM
i never saw this - Rodgers speaking on Brock's Moxie and talking about how important that is for a QB to have. 😍😍🤘

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by All22:
The Brock vs Jimmy numbers are very misleading. Brock was QB for 9 of the 10 games in the CMC era. Defenses played us completely differently after that trade. Case in point, Kittle scored all of his 11 TD's after the trade and we averaged about 160 yards on the ground.

Can't compare Jimmy + Jeff Wilson with Brock and CMC.

Yet, people have no problem comparing Brock to Trey without CMC/Mitchell, without Kittle, and with 60% of the offensive line making their first start together in the rain.

Why? Biases.

It's cuz a HOF LT, an All Pro skill guy Deebo, a 1k WR BA, KS dialing it up is more than most teams have to work with

I mean Fields was playing in the same rain
and hitting a guy we cut for a score
and a guy the Pack cut for another score
vs the #1 D in the NFL
with 3-14 talent around

what's his excuse?

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Anyone got some RZ stats on Brock? I feel like that's where he separated himself from Jimmy and shined

inside the 10: 4 passing TDs, 0 interceptions 67% completion and 1 rushing TD. 1 sack

Surprisingly jimmy was 8 tds to 1 pick in the redzone (inside the 10). 62% completion, 2 rushing touchdowns. He played a lot more games though.

Purdy was excellent at hitting tight window throws in the endzone. I think it was against the Bucs, if you go back to the touchdown pass to CMC In the redzone, the pass before the touchdown pass was a DIME to CMC in a tight tight window. CMC dropped it but it hit him right on the hands.

to me, the biggest difference between Brock and jimmy is that Brock consistently threw his guys open by dropping dimes. Jimmy doesn't do that too often. The pass to kittle for the two point conversion was a beauty

im tryin to see if I can find stats over his final 6 games to see how he performed in comparison to other starters in that stretch

Thanks. Question….Why are you doing inside the 10 though? RZ is inside the 20.

for me the biggest difference was Brock's ability to extend the play and look beyond the play call. One play I remember he scrambled around and found kittle back of the end zone. Great play. Turns out he missed his first read which wide open read on the play lol. Either way we scored, I bet kyle was a little bent out of shape still.

It was just the stat it opened up. Lol I just did the 20 and..

jimmy: 12 TDs to 1 INT, 4 sacks, 2 rushing touchdowns on 5 attempts (6 yards). 60.5% completion percentage

Brock: 4 touchdowns to 1 interception, 3 touchdowns, 1 rushing touchdown, 67% completion Percentage. Sacked 3 times

This isn't correct.
Brock was 13/17, 76.5%, the highest % of any qb with 10+ completions.
On his 17 attempts, 6 went for TDs which looks to be a top TD % as well.


https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/redzone-passing.htm

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by All22:
The Brock vs Jimmy numbers are very misleading. Brock was QB for 9 of the 10 games in the CMC era. Defenses played us completely differently after that trade. Case in point, Kittle scored all of his 11 TD's after the trade and we averaged about 160 yards on the ground.

Can't compare Jimmy + Jeff Wilson with Brock and CMC.

Yet, people have no problem comparing Brock to Trey without CMC/Mitchell, without Kittle, and with 60% of the offensive line making their first start together in the rain.

Why? Biases.

It's cuz a HOF LT, an All Pro skill guy Deebo, a 1k WR BA, KS dialing it up is more than most teams have to work with

I mean Fields was playing in the same rain
and hitting a guy we cut for a score
and a guy the Pack cut for another score
vs the #1 D in the NFL
with 3-14 talent around

what's his excuse?

More than most teams have to work with. Cool. That isnt the point. Nor is bringing up Fields, who objectively played like garbage that game.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by All22:
The Brock vs Jimmy numbers are very misleading. Brock was QB for 9 of the 10 games in the CMC era. Defenses played us completely differently after that trade. Case in point, Kittle scored all of his 11 TD's after the trade and we averaged about 160 yards on the ground.

Can't compare Jimmy + Jeff Wilson with Brock and CMC.

Yet, people have no problem comparing Brock to Trey without CMC/Mitchell, without Kittle, and with 60% of the offensive line making their first start together in the rain.

Why? Biases.

It's cuz a HOF LT, an All Pro skill guy Deebo, a 1k WR BA, KS dialing it up is more than most teams have to work with

I mean Fields was playing in the same rain
and hitting a guy we cut for a score
and a guy the Pack cut for another score
vs the #1 D in the NFL
with 3-14 talent around

what's his excuse?

More than most teams have to work with. Cool. That isnt the point. Nor is bringing up Fields, who objectively played like garbage that game.

it is the point, the topic is talent around the QB, and you making excuses for why TL had a poor game vs CHI.. vs the later season BP games

I don't think those excuses hold water, cuz another QB was out there in the game you brought up, same QB class, with much worse talent around, same weather, and did enough in winning time (2 TD passes) to get his squad the W.

Originally posted by tankle104:
https://youtu.be/3T7CELX3bmM
i never saw this - Rodgers speaking on Brock's Moxie and talking about how important that is for a QB to have. 😍😍🤘

Love me some Brock Purdy.