There is a difference between calling him an elite player and saying he played at an elite level in his stretch of games. Two very different things.
to be an elite player - that requires consistency.
He hasn't done that yet. Hopefully this season. I'm feeling good about 😎
No difference
At what point can elite play be recognized?
I mean generally speaking do it for an entire season and you're 90% there. Finish your next season as the reason your team is winning or putting up points and that's it. You're elite for the next few years.
There is a difference between calling him an elite player and saying he played at an elite level in his stretch of games. Two very different things.
to be an elite player - that requires consistency.
He hasn't done that yet. Hopefully this season. I'm feeling good about ????
No difference
At what point can elite play be recognized?
I mean generally speaking do it for an entire season and you're 90% there. Finish your next season as the reason your team is winning or putting up points and that's it. You're elite for the next few years.
This is criteria to say a player is elite, not to acknowledge elite play
[ Edited by CharlieSheen on Apr 12, 2023 at 6:32 AM ]
There is a difference between calling him an elite player and saying he played at an elite level in his stretch of games. Two very different things.
to be an elite player - that requires consistency.
He hasn't done that yet. Hopefully this season. I'm feeling good about 😎
No difference
Then you have no idea what you're talking about. Lol that's the difference.
let me put it in terms you'll understand:
"if Lance had played amazing in his three starts. The offense and his stats were top 5 in the league (in comparison to the other 31 teams and 31 QBs during that same stretch of games) and he went 3-0. Would he be considered an elite player in this league? No, because he would have to do that over a season or more. It requires consistency, but The team and Lance would have played at an elite level during that stretch (top 5 in the league)."
Lol when you plug in Trey Lances name, they aren't so blind anymore and understand.
[ Edited by tankle104 on Apr 12, 2023 at 7:22 AM ]
There is a difference between calling him an elite player and saying he played at an elite level in his stretch of games. Two very different things.
to be an elite player - that requires consistency.
He hasn't done that yet. Hopefully this season. I'm feeling good about 😎
No difference
Then you have no idea what you're talking about. Lol that's the difference.
let me put it in terms you'll understand:
"if Lance had played amazing in his three starts. The offense and his stats were top 5 in the league (in comparison to the other 31 teams and 31 QBs during that same stretch of games) and he went 3-0. Would he be considered an elite player in this league? No, because he would have to do that over a season or more. It requires consistency, but The team and Lance would have played at an elite level during that stretch (top 5 in the league)."
Lol when you plug in Trey Lances name, they aren't so blind anymore and understand.
You always have to bring up Lance.. but if the play doesn't make the player like you are saying.. why are you already judging Lance by his small amount of play.. it's very contradictory.
So you bring up team stats to say he was playing elite ?
There is a difference between calling him an elite player and saying he played at an elite level in his stretch of games. Two very different things.
to be an elite player - that requires consistency.
He hasn't done that yet. Hopefully this season. I'm feeling good about 😎
No difference
Then you have no idea what you're talking about. Lol that's the difference.
let me put it in terms you'll understand:
"if Lance had played amazing in his three starts. The offense and his stats were top 5 in the league (in comparison to the other 31 teams and 31 QBs during that same stretch of games) and he went 3-0. Would he be considered an elite player in this league? No, because he would have to do that over a season or more. It requires consistency, but The team and Lance would have played at an elite level during that stretch (top 5 in the league)."
Lol when you plug in Trey Lances name, they aren't so blind anymore and understand.
You always have to bring up Lance.. but if the play doesn't make the player like you are saying.. why are you already judging Lance by his small amount of play.. it's very contradictory.
So you bring up team stats to say he was playing elite ?
You just interpret things how you want, huh. I didn't knock Lance at all. I just used him as an example to show the difference between being an elite player vs having a stretch of elite play. Since you don't understand it when I used Purdy. Would it make you feel better if I use Joe Flacco? Which I've done before.
Are you insinuating that a qb doesn't impact the overall performance/efficiency of an offense? Lol that's like saying Fred Warner doesn't impact the overall performance of the defense. Lol come on man.
[ Edited by tankle104 on Apr 12, 2023 at 9:52 AM ]
There is a difference between calling him an elite player and saying he played at an elite level in his stretch of games. Two very different things.
to be an elite player - that requires consistency.
He hasn't done that yet. Hopefully this season. I'm feeling good about 😎
No difference
At what point can elite play be recognized?
I mean generally speaking do it for an entire season and you're 90% there. Finish your next season as the reason your team is winning or putting up points and that's it. You're elite for the next few years.
Or just say dude is playing elite football.
Brock had played elite football over his entire NFL career.
The only thing I worry about with Purdy, other than his injury, was that he was known for throwing some of the worst timed interceptions of any QB in college football history.
So far with Kyle, that hasn't happened. But I wonder if he's more of Tony Romo player than Tom Brady. And don't get me wrong, I loved Tony Romo. I think he was incredible, over hated and extremely fun to watch. Hopefully he can be Romo without the turnovers. IMO that's a top 5 QB for a long time.
There is a difference between calling him an elite player and saying he played at an elite level in his stretch of games. Two very different things.
to be an elite player - that requires consistency.
He hasn't done that yet. Hopefully this season. I'm feeling good about 😎
No difference
Then you have no idea what you're talking about. Lol that's the difference.
let me put it in terms you'll understand:
"if Lance had played amazing in his three starts. The offense and his stats were top 5 in the league (in comparison to the other 31 teams and 31 QBs during that same stretch of games) and he went 3-0. Would he be considered an elite player in this league? No, because he would have to do that over a season or more. It requires consistency, but The team and Lance would have played at an elite level during that stretch (top 5 in the league)."
Lol when you plug in Trey Lances name, they aren't so blind anymore and understand.
You always have to bring up Lance.. but if the play doesn't make the player like you are saying.. why are you already judging Lance by his small amount of play.. it's very contradictory.
So you bring up team stats to say he was playing elite ?
You just interpret things how you want, huh. I didn't knock Lance at all. I just used him as an example to show the difference between being an elite player vs having a stretch of elite play. Since you don't understand it when I used Purdy. Would it make you feel better if I use Joe Flacco? Which I've done before.
Are you insinuating that a qb doesn't impact the overall performance/efficiency of an offense? Lol that's like saying Fred Warner doesn't impact the overall performance of the defense. Lol come on man.
so much digression here lol
If he's not elite, then he's doing a great job at the moment
[ Edited by 49AllTheTime on Apr 12, 2023 at 11:01 AM ]
Originally posted by Waterbear:
The only thing I worry about with Purdy, other than his injury, was that he was known for throwing some of the worst timed interceptions of any QB in college football history.
So far with Kyle, that hasn't happened. But I wonder if he's more of Tony Romo player than Tom Brady. And don't get me wrong, I loved Tony Romo. I think he was incredible, over hated and extremely fun to watch. Hopefully he can be Romo without the turnovers. IMO that's a top 5 QB for a long time.
the first one is bad. the following three were more fumbles than throwing INTs. not sure where you get "worst timed interceptions of any QB in college football history." that claim seems hyperbolic.
Originally posted by boast:
the first one is bad. the following three were more fumbles than throwing INTs. not sure where you get "worst timed interceptions of any QB in college football history." that claim seems hyperbolic.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
The only thing I worry about with Purdy, other than his injury, was that he was known for throwing some of the worst timed interceptions of any QB in college football history.
So far with Kyle, that hasn't happened. But I wonder if he's more of Tony Romo player than Tom Brady. And don't get me wrong, I loved Tony Romo. I think he was incredible, over hated and extremely fun to watch. Hopefully he can be Romo without the turnovers. IMO that's a top 5 QB for a long time.
Agree, could be top 5. Could be *Elite.*
"I like when a play is there that guys aren't scared to make it, they don't hesitate, they don't take a second look at it," 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan said at the time. "They let it rip and they worry about it after. A lot of guys who just guess do that too, so you have to find out whether they're being aggressive — if they're deciding then to do it — or if they're deciding on Wednesday. But Brock has been very good with it. He can explain what he sees and that's why we've got a lot of confidence in him."
[...]
"Those are the guys — and Drew Brees was one of those — who, the pocket, the world could be collapsing around them and they can just maintain that steely focus on what they're supposed to be doing," Ally said.
Finally, Purdy was especially impressive when it came to depth perception speed.
"He was in some pretty elite company," Ally said. "I mean, he was in the high 90s on that." https://theathletic.com/4226466/2023/02/24/nfl-quarterbacks-s2-cognition-test/
Originally posted by Waterbear:
The only thing I worry about with Purdy, other than his injury, was that he was known for throwing some of the worst timed interceptions of any QB in college football history.
So far with Kyle, that hasn't happened. But I wonder if he's more of Tony Romo player than Tom Brady. And don't get me wrong, I loved Tony Romo. I think he was incredible, over hated and extremely fun to watch. Hopefully he can be Romo without the turnovers. IMO that's a top 5 QB for a long time.
the first one is bad. the following three were more fumbles than throwing INTs. not sure where you get "worst timed interceptions of any QB in college football history." that claim seems hyperbolic.
Yeah, I heard about this but there is a story to all of it. Purdy has talked a lot about how at the time he was putting all this pressure on himself to have to do everything and then some because his school/talent really wasn't on par with who they were competing with. He said he learned alot about himself as a person and football player, which helped him grow a lot. So I'm not concerned he will do that in the pros, at least not a lot.
the game against texas where he threw the pick on the 2-point conversion to win the game, wasn't really his fault. It was a great and ballsy throw that should of won it, but the WR let it get ripped out of his hands. So it's not all as bad as it looks.
im optimistic that he has grown from it and Made him a better player. Those experiences are really good to experience in college, makes you more mentally prepared for the pros.
when you have guys who have always been on the best team/programs and rarely have adversity, or have to elevate everyone around them to win, they tend to struggle in the pros because they don't get the time to work through that (or never get through it).
Originally posted by Waterbear:
The only thing I worry about with Purdy, other than his injury, was that he was known for throwing some of the worst timed interceptions of any QB in college football history.
So far with Kyle, that hasn't happened. But I wonder if he's more of Tony Romo player than Tom Brady. And don't get me wrong, I loved Tony Romo. I think he was incredible, over hated and extremely fun to watch. Hopefully he can be Romo without the turnovers. IMO that's a top 5 QB for a long time.
Agree, could be top 5. Could be *Elite.*
"I like when a play is there that guys aren't scared to make it, they don't hesitate, they don't take a second look at it," 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan said at the time. "They let it rip and they worry about it after. A lot of guys who just guess do that too, so you have to find out whether they're being aggressive — if they're deciding then to do it — or if they're deciding on Wednesday. But Brock has been very good with it. He can explain what he sees and that's why we've got a lot of confidence in him."
[...]
"Those are the guys — and Drew Brees was one of those — who, the pocket, the world could be collapsing around them and they can just maintain that steely focus on what they're supposed to be doing," Ally said.
Finally, Purdy was especially impressive when it came to depth perception speed.
"He was in some pretty elite company," Ally said. "I mean, he was in the high 90s on that." https://theathletic.com/4226466/2023/02/24/nfl-quarterbacks-s2-cognition-test/
The second paragraph really showed on the field last year. To me, those are traits you have or you don't have. You can understand them, but executing them in a split second and understanding it all, is something you can't really be great at unless you're natural at it initially.
