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May 20, 2023 at 4:20 AM
Originally posted by tankle104:
I think most of us do that to a degree subconsciously. We all have a preference or idea of which QBs (or type of qb) is the best for the team going forward. So we defend the other guy and look at the other as not worth playing/starting.

I mean I'm fine with any three of them if they actually become elite level QBs. I would like to see Lance actually have a season worth of failed football before saying he sucks and will never be good. I would like a season worth of Brock maintaining that top level play before saying he's Montana or whatever. We've seen years of bad football from Sam so whatever there…whatever they can get out of him is a bonus imo.

I do think end of the day Lance has the highest upside to be that elite level QB. Does he even have a chance to get there? Not sounding like it will happen here. I do think Kyle thinks Brock can run his offense and is safer…it's like we've been down this road before. Passing on higher end talents for safer QBs that will do what he wants. No to Watson, Allen, Mahomes and even Brady in favor of safe Jimmy or the thought of Kirk Hopefully the outcome is different if they stick with Brock. We will see. I will be rooting for whomever is the QB. Unlike others in here (not saying you).
May 20, 2023 at 4:29 AM
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
heck I would take the next Foles
wasn't that one of the comps in here


I mean Nick Foles shouldn't be the goal lol. Yes they got a ring, we will all take that. We're talking about long-term FQBs though.

That's like saying you're cool with Trent dilfer
[ Edited by NYniner85 on May 20, 2023 at 4:38 AM ]
May 20, 2023 at 4:34 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
To be clear, the point I'm making is that actually reading the defense post snap, rather than just going with the primary or sticking strictly to progressions, allows for huge plays. But you have to have some vision to do this. Jimmy doesn't have that.

And for the record I have pointed out that Trey sees the field better than Jimmy too.

I mean the TD he had to Kittle in the LV game was him either not reading the coverage correctly post snap or flat out missing the read to Jennings who was his first read (and open).

What about these plays? This is something we would see Jimmy do all the same




All I'm saying is while there was some very good from Brock. It wasn't all magical. I need more film before I declare anything good or bad…too be clear it was more good for sure
As for the TD to Kittle at LV, that's asking a lot to make that first read. Jennings was open for a split second, and pressure was coming from that side. He was looking that direction, so I find it NOT likely that it was a misread, and more likely simply doubt that he could make the play over number 98. A hesitation.

EDIT: Regarding the Kroft play, that wasn't a misread. That was being conservative. Not trusting he could throw it that far without messing it up in a crucial moment.
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Regardless. The point is, Purdy does not predetermine where he's going with the ball presnap and fail to adjust from that. He actually reads the defense.

Rookies are not going to read the defense correctly every time. The point is, he will see a busted coverage and exploit it, rather than completely ignore what's going on around the whole field and blindly stick to the progression like Jimmy does. He'll actually use built-in alerts and improvise. Even you can't deny that.
[ Edited by 5_Golden_Rings on May 20, 2023 at 4:40 AM ]
May 20, 2023 at 4:40 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean I'm fine with any three of them if they actually become elite level QBs. I would like to see Lance actually have a season worth of failed football before saying he sucks and will never be good. I would like a season worth of Brock maintaining that top level play before saying he's Montana or whatever. We've seen years of bad football from Sam so whatever there…whatever they can get out of him is a bonus imo.

I do think end of the day Lance has the highest upside to be that elite level QB. Does he even have a chance to get there? Not sounding like it will happen here. I do think Kyle thinks Brock can run his offense and is safer…it's like we've been down this road before. Passing on higher end talents for safer QBs that will do what he wants. No to Watson, Allen, Mahomes and even Brady in favor of safe Jimmy or the thought of Kirk Hopefully the outcome is different if they stick with Brock. We will see. I will be rooting for whomever is the QB. Unlike others in here (not saying you).

Brock is not the "safer" choice. Four touchdowns a game is not "safer." That's "effective" football. We don't need 17 games to see which way Trey was tracking. It was not in that direction. For some reason there has to be a qb controversy in the zone. Buit it's never felt more contrived, honestly.
May 20, 2023 at 4:44 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Lol what are we doing here NY?

Ring is saying his vision is at Mahomes level and the opposite of Jimmy. I'm saying hold on here. For sure more good than bad, but jumping to conclusions off 170 passing attempts is pretty extreme for me

No, I'm not. Am I not being clear? What he has in common with Mahomes is the ARM ANGLES and off platform throws. As for his field vision, it's just that Jimmy is so terrible at it Brock looks really good by comparison.
May 20, 2023 at 4:47 AM
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
To be clear, the point I'm making is that actually reading the defense post snap, rather than just going with the primary or sticking strictly to progressions, allows for huge plays. But you have to have some vision to do this. Jimmy doesn't have that.

And for the record I have pointed out that Trey sees the field better than Jimmy too.

I mean the TD he had to Kittle in the LV game was him either not reading the coverage correctly post snap or flat out missing the read to Jennings who was his first read (and open).

What about these plays? This is something we would see Jimmy do all the same




All I'm saying is while there was some very good from Brock. It wasn't all magical. I need more film before I declare anything good or bad…too be clear it was more good for sure
As for the TD to Kittle at LV, that's asking a lot to make that first read. Jennings was open for a split second, and pressure was coming from that side. He was looking that direction, so I find it NOT likely that it was a misread, and more likely simply doubt that he could make the play over number 98. A hesitation.

EDIT: Regarding the Kroft play, that wasn't a misread. That was being conservative. Not trusting he could throw it that far without messing it up in a crucial moment.
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Regardless. The point is, Purdy does not predetermine where he's going with the ball presnap and fail to adjust from that. He actually reads the defense.

Rookies are not going to read the defense correctly every time. The point is, he will see a busted coverage and exploit it, rather than completely ignore what's going on around the whole field and blindly stick to the progression like Jimmy does. He'll actually use built-in alerts and improvise. Even you can't deny that.

Love it. Back to the magical "missed the wide open man" criticism. The criticism that can't be quantified. What's the aqverage number of times a quarterback misses "the wide open man" per game? What's the season record? What's the ranking among NFL qb's? What's it even mean to be "wide open" any way? At what time is "wide openness" determined in the play? Is it at the point of release or when the motion begins? Do you count missing the "wide open man" if the pass is completed to another "wide open man"? Or a covered guy? Is it missing the "wide open man" on 3rd and 4 to hit the quick out for 5 yards if the "wide open man" is running a fly?

dumb dumb dumb dumb and dumber.

Warren buffet is a s**tty investor....look at all the stocks he missed. Lol
[ Edited by brodiebluebanaszak on May 20, 2023 at 4:50 AM ]
May 20, 2023 at 4:50 AM
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
To be clear, the point I'm making is that actually reading the defense post snap, rather than just going with the primary or sticking strictly to progressions, allows for huge plays. But you have to have some vision to do this. Jimmy doesn't have that.

And for the record I have pointed out that Trey sees the field better than Jimmy too.

I mean the TD he had to Kittle in the LV game was him either not reading the coverage correctly post snap or flat out missing the read to Jennings who was his first read (and open).

What about these plays? This is something we would see Jimmy do all the same




All I'm saying is while there was some very good from Brock. It wasn't all magical. I need more film before I declare anything good or bad…too be clear it was more good for sure
As for the TD to Kittle at LV, that's asking a lot to make that first read. Jennings was open for a split second, and pressure was coming from that side. He was looking that direction, so I find it NOT likely that it was a misread, and more likely simply doubt that he could make the play over number 98. A hesitation.

EDIT: Regarding the Kroft play, that wasn't a misread. That was being conservative. Not trusting he could throw it that far without messing it up in a crucial moment.
.

Regardless. The point is, Purdy does not predetermine where he's going with the ball presnap and fail to adjust from that. He actually reads the defense.

Rookies are not going to read the defense correctly every time. The point is, he will see a busted coverage and exploit it, rather than completely ignore what's going on around the whole field and blindly stick to the progression like Jimmy does. He'll actually use built-in alerts and improvise. Even you can't deny that.

Love it. Back to the magical "missed the wide open man" criticism. The criticism that can't be quantified. What's the aqverage number of times a quarterback misses "the wide open man" per game? What's the season record? What's the ranking among NFL qb's? What's it even mean to be "wide open" any way? At what time is "wide openness" determined in the play? Is it at the point of release or when the motion begins? It's so dumb dumb dumb.

Warren buffet is a s**tty investor....look at all the stocks he missed. Lol

It's fair to criticize not seeing a wide open guy on most plays. But sometimes it's not about seeing him, but not being confident you can make the throw. Or not wanting to risk it. That play where Kroft was wide open is almost certainly it. The chips were on the line, he didn't want to risk a throw where there'd be more variance in accuracy (the deeper the throw, the wider the accuracy variance tends to be). He had Kittle on a short pass. He trusted Kittle to make a contested catch if it came to it, more than he trusted himself to throw it 20 yards down the field and for Kroft to catch it, regardless of how wide open he was.

And I'd bet money on that conclusion.
May 20, 2023 at 4:54 AM
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
To be clear, the point I'm making is that actually reading the defense post snap, rather than just going with the primary or sticking strictly to progressions, allows for huge plays. But you have to have some vision to do this. Jimmy doesn't have that.

And for the record I have pointed out that Trey sees the field better than Jimmy too.

I mean the TD he had to Kittle in the LV game was him either not reading the coverage correctly post snap or flat out missing the read to Jennings who was his first read (and open).

What about these plays? This is something we would see Jimmy do all the same




All I'm saying is while there was some very good from Brock. It wasn't all magical. I need more film before I declare anything good or bad…too be clear it was more good for sure
As for the TD to Kittle at LV, that's asking a lot to make that first read. Jennings was open for a split second, and pressure was coming from that side. He was looking that direction, so I find it NOT likely that it was a misread, and more likely simply doubt that he could make the play over number 98. A hesitation.

EDIT: Regarding the Kroft play, that wasn't a misread. That was being conservative. Not trusting he could throw it that far without messing it up in a crucial moment.
.

Regardless. The point is, Purdy does not predetermine where he's going with the ball presnap and fail to adjust from that. He actually reads the defense.

Rookies are not going to read the defense correctly every time. The point is, he will see a busted coverage and exploit it, rather than completely ignore what's going on around the whole field and blindly stick to the progression like Jimmy does. He'll actually use built-in alerts and improvise. Even you can't deny that.

Love it. Back to the magical "missed the wide open man" criticism. The criticism that can't be quantified. What's the aqverage number of times a quarterback misses "the wide open man" per game? What's the season record? What's the ranking among NFL qb's? What's it even mean to be "wide open" any way? At what time is "wide openness" determined in the play? Is it at the point of release or when the motion begins? It's so dumb dumb dumb.

Warren buffet is a s**tty investor....look at all the stocks he missed. Lol

It's fair to criticize not seeing a wide open guy on most plays. But sometimes it's not about seeing him, but not being confident you can make the throw. Or not wanting to risk it. That play where Kroft was wide open is almost certainly it. The chips were on the line, he didn't want to risk a throw where there'd be more variance in accuracy (the deeper the throw, the wider the accuracy variance tends to be). He had Kittle on a short pass. He trusted Kittle to make a contested catch if it came to it, more than he trusted himself to throw it 20 yards down the field and for Kroft to catch it, regardless of how wide open he was.

And I'd bet money on that conclusion.

My point is --- and you MUST agree with me -- that no one has any idea what is a good performance or a bad performance. If you can't anser my questions above in bold, then neither you nor anyone else can claim that "Brock sucks" or "Mahomes sucks" or "Jimmy sucks" on the basis of this criticism. It's just something analysts do who have extra time to look at tape and want to get clicks and look insightful.
[ Edited by brodiebluebanaszak on May 20, 2023 at 4:55 AM ]
May 20, 2023 at 5:02 AM
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
To be clear, the point I'm making is that actually reading the defense post snap, rather than just going with the primary or sticking strictly to progressions, allows for huge plays. But you have to have some vision to do this. Jimmy doesn't have that.

And for the record I have pointed out that Trey sees the field better than Jimmy too.

I mean the TD he had to Kittle in the LV game was him either not reading the coverage correctly post snap or flat out missing the read to Jennings who was his first read (and open).

What about these plays? This is something we would see Jimmy do all the same




All I'm saying is while there was some very good from Brock. It wasn't all magical. I need more film before I declare anything good or bad…too be clear it was more good for sure
As for the TD to Kittle at LV, that's asking a lot to make that first read. Jennings was open for a split second, and pressure was coming from that side. He was looking that direction, so I find it NOT likely that it was a misread, and more likely simply doubt that he could make the play over number 98. A hesitation.

EDIT: Regarding the Kroft play, that wasn't a misread. That was being conservative. Not trusting he could throw it that far without messing it up in a crucial moment.
.

Regardless. The point is, Purdy does not predetermine where he's going with the ball presnap and fail to adjust from that. He actually reads the defense.

Rookies are not going to read the defense correctly every time. The point is, he will see a busted coverage and exploit it, rather than completely ignore what's going on around the whole field and blindly stick to the progression like Jimmy does. He'll actually use built-in alerts and improvise. Even you can't deny that.

Love it. Back to the magical "missed the wide open man" criticism. The criticism that can't be quantified. What's the aqverage number of times a quarterback misses "the wide open man" per game? What's the season record? What's the ranking among NFL qb's? What's it even mean to be "wide open" any way? At what time is "wide openness" determined in the play? Is it at the point of release or when the motion begins? It's so dumb dumb dumb.

Warren buffet is a s**tty investor....look at all the stocks he missed. Lol

It's fair to criticize not seeing a wide open guy on most plays. But sometimes it's not about seeing him, but not being confident you can make the throw. Or not wanting to risk it. That play where Kroft was wide open is almost certainly it. The chips were on the line, he didn't want to risk a throw where there'd be more variance in accuracy (the deeper the throw, the wider the accuracy variance tends to be). He had Kittle on a short pass. He trusted Kittle to make a contested catch if it came to it, more than he trusted himself to throw it 20 yards down the field and for Kroft to catch it, regardless of how wide open he was.

And I'd bet money on that conclusion.

It's just dumb to focus on s**t that happens in every other offense when Brock was the #1 rated QB and the offense was #1 in ppg while he was starting

There is no QB that makes the right read every single drop back. I'd imagine that perfect QBs offense would score 50+ ppg. Brock was great, a 49ers fan trying to tear him down is a big imo. We can say he played elite and be excited about him without being "all in". We don't have to pay him for years, not the same as the Jimmy situation
May 20, 2023 at 5:07 AM
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
To be clear, the point I'm making is that actually reading the defense post snap, rather than just going with the primary or sticking strictly to progressions, allows for huge plays. But you have to have some vision to do this. Jimmy doesn't have that.

And for the record I have pointed out that Trey sees the field better than Jimmy too.

I mean the TD he had to Kittle in the LV game was him either not reading the coverage correctly post snap or flat out missing the read to Jennings who was his first read (and open).

What about these plays? This is something we would see Jimmy do all the same




All I'm saying is while there was some very good from Brock. It wasn't all magical. I need more film before I declare anything good or bad…too be clear it was more good for sure
As for the TD to Kittle at LV, that's asking a lot to make that first read. Jennings was open for a split second, and pressure was coming from that side. He was looking that direction, so I find it NOT likely that it was a misread, and more likely simply doubt that he could make the play over number 98. A hesitation.

EDIT: Regarding the Kroft play, that wasn't a misread. That was being conservative. Not trusting he could throw it that far without messing it up in a crucial moment.
.

Regardless. The point is, Purdy does not predetermine where he's going with the ball presnap and fail to adjust from that. He actually reads the defense.

Rookies are not going to read the defense correctly every time. The point is, he will see a busted coverage and exploit it, rather than completely ignore what's going on around the whole field and blindly stick to the progression like Jimmy does. He'll actually use built-in alerts and improvise. Even you can't deny that.

Love it. Back to the magical "missed the wide open man" criticism. The criticism that can't be quantified. What's the aqverage number of times a quarterback misses "the wide open man" per game? What's the season record? What's the ranking among NFL qb's? What's it even mean to be "wide open" any way? At what time is "wide openness" determined in the play? Is it at the point of release or when the motion begins? It's so dumb dumb dumb.

Warren buffet is a s**tty investor....look at all the stocks he missed. Lol

It's fair to criticize not seeing a wide open guy on most plays. But sometimes it's not about seeing him, but not being confident you can make the throw. Or not wanting to risk it. That play where Kroft was wide open is almost certainly it. The chips were on the line, he didn't want to risk a throw where there'd be more variance in accuracy (the deeper the throw, the wider the accuracy variance tends to be). He had Kittle on a short pass. He trusted Kittle to make a contested catch if it came to it, more than he trusted himself to throw it 20 yards down the field and for Kroft to catch it, regardless of how wide open he was.

And I'd bet money on that conclusion.

My point is --- and you MUST agree with me -- that no one has any idea what is a good performance or a bad performance. If you can't anser my questions above in bold, then neither you nor anyone else can claim that "Brock sucks" or "Mahomes sucks" or "Jimmy sucks" on the basis of this criticism. It's just something analysts do who have extra time to look at tape and want to get clicks and look insightful.

I must NOT agree wih you. Shanahan has said it himself on multiple occasions: he wants the QB to hit the wide open down the field throw when it's there. He needs players who can "overcome coaching." Stop with this nonsense. If the guy is clearly wide open and it's not something like a screen pass, the QB needs to see it and throw it. They won't always do it. But the optimal play is to throw to the open guy.

Jimmy apologists lol.
May 20, 2023 at 5:09 AM
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
As for the TD to Kittle at LV, that's asking a lot to make that first read. Jennings was open for a split second, and pressure was coming from that side. He was looking that direction, so I find it NOT likely that it was a misread, and more likely simply doubt that he could make the play over number 98. A hesitation.

EDIT: Regarding the Kroft play, that wasn't a misread. That was being conservative. Not trusting he could throw it that far without messing it up in a crucial moment.
.

Regardless. The point is, Purdy does not predetermine where he's going with the ball presnap and fail to adjust from that. He actually reads the defense.

Rookies are not going to read the defense correctly every time. The point is, he will see a busted coverage and exploit it, rather than completely ignore what's going on around the whole field and blindly stick to the progression like Jimmy does. He'll actually use built-in alerts and improvise. Even you can't deny that.

Totally disagree that's a lot to asked. You as the QB know the route he's running there. We're all guessing here but it looked like his first read. Even kyle said he missed some reads that game.

You determining what's a misread and what's not is pure speculation. You don't know the progressions, that's a question for Brock/kyle.

You're playing off that Brock wasn't sure he could throw it far enough for a wide open Kroft? Come on man


saying he doesn't predetermine where he going is straight up nonsense. Every QB does that at some point. literally that was one of his issues in college locking onto one read.

For sure he's a rookie and I don't expect him to make all the proper reads. Saying he's got elite vision like Mahomes or he doesn't make predetermine reads is a straight up fake news.
May 20, 2023 at 5:15 AM
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
To be clear, the point I'm making is that actually reading the defense post snap, rather than just going with the primary or sticking strictly to progressions, allows for huge plays. But you have to have some vision to do this. Jimmy doesn't have that.

And for the record I have pointed out that Trey sees the field better than Jimmy too.

I mean the TD he had to Kittle in the LV game was him either not reading the coverage correctly post snap or flat out missing the read to Jennings who was his first read (and open).

What about these plays? This is something we would see Jimmy do all the same




All I'm saying is while there was some very good from Brock. It wasn't all magical. I need more film before I declare anything good or bad…too be clear it was more good for sure
As for the TD to Kittle at LV, that's asking a lot to make that first read. Jennings was open for a split second, and pressure was coming from that side. He was looking that direction, so I find it NOT likely that it was a misread, and more likely simply doubt that he could make the play over number 98. A hesitation.

EDIT: Regarding the Kroft play, that wasn't a misread. That was being conservative. Not trusting he could throw it that far without messing it up in a crucial moment.
.

Regardless. The point is, Purdy does not predetermine where he's going with the ball presnap and fail to adjust from that. He actually reads the defense.

Rookies are not going to read the defense correctly every time. The point is, he will see a busted coverage and exploit it, rather than completely ignore what's going on around the whole field and blindly stick to the progression like Jimmy does. He'll actually use built-in alerts and improvise. Even you can't deny that.

Love it. Back to the magical "missed the wide open man" criticism. The criticism that can't be quantified. What's the aqverage number of times a quarterback misses "the wide open man" per game? What's the season record? What's the ranking among NFL qb's? What's it even mean to be "wide open" any way? At what time is "wide openness" determined in the play? Is it at the point of release or when the motion begins? It's so dumb dumb dumb.

Warren buffet is a s**tty investor....look at all the stocks he missed. Lol

It's fair to criticize not seeing a wide open guy on most plays. But sometimes it's not about seeing him, but not being confident you can make the throw. Or not wanting to risk it. That play where Kroft was wide open is almost certainly it. The chips were on the line, he didn't want to risk a throw where there'd be more variance in accuracy (the deeper the throw, the wider the accuracy variance tends to be). He had Kittle on a short pass. He trusted Kittle to make a contested catch if it came to it, more than he trusted himself to throw it 20 yards down the field and for Kroft to catch it, regardless of how wide open he was.

And I'd bet money on that conclusion.

My point is --- and you MUST agree with me -- that no one has any idea what is a good performance or a bad performance. If you can't anser my questions above in bold, then neither you nor anyone else can claim that "Brock sucks" or "Mahomes sucks" or "Jimmy sucks" on the basis of this criticism. It's just something analysts do who have extra time to look at tape and want to get clicks and look insightful.

I must NOT agree wih you. Shanahan has said it himself on multiple occasions: he wants the QB to hit the wide open down the field throw when it's there. He needs players who can "overcome coaching." Stop with this nonsense. If the guy is clearly wide open and it's not something like a screen pass, the QB needs to see it and throw it. They won't always do it. But the optimal play is to throw to the open guy.

Jimmy apologists lol.

Just like many CYA management directives, it sounds good but in practice it's just blah blah blame everyone but me.

When you criticise a guy for it you better have your facts in order and know when or where how well he is doing relative to everyone else. Including defining what exactly you want them to do and when. It's just white collar b******t, failing to design plays to make the first read the free man, then expecting a qb to perfectly improvise every play against an NFL caliber defense and live to tell the tale. Lol. That's classic CYA right there. It's all noise to use that criticism as a judge for overall performance. gtfo. I agree with poster above trying to tar and feather brock for this vague b******t is wtf, when he averages 35 ppg.

[ Edited by brodiebluebanaszak on May 20, 2023 at 5:16 AM ]
May 20, 2023 at 5:17 AM
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Love it. Back to the magical "missed the wide open man" criticism. The criticism that can't be quantified. What's the aqverage number of times a quarterback misses "the wide open man" per game? What's the season record? What's the ranking among NFL qb's? What's it even mean to be "wide open" any way? At what time is "wide openness" determined in the play? Is it at the point of release or when the motion begins? Do you count missing the "wide open man" if the pass is completed to another "wide open man"? Or a covered guy? Is it missing the "wide open man" on 3rd and 4 to hit the quick out for 5 yards if the "wide open man" is running a fly?

dumb dumb dumb dumb and dumber.

Warren buffet is a s**tty investor....look at all the stocks he missed. Lol

Someone saying he doesn't misread plays or make predetermine passes…is then showed plays of him doing just that. It's not saying he blows, it's showing that ya'll have put him on such a pedestal that you refuse to acknowledge anything that isn't great or s**t that a rookie QB could improve upon.

Now you're making Warren buffet likeness lol. Wtf.
May 20, 2023 at 5:22 AM
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
It's fair to criticize not seeing a wide open guy on most plays. But sometimes it's not about seeing him, but not being confident you can make the throw. Or not wanting to risk it. That play where Kroft was wide open is almost certainly it. The chips were on the line, he didn't want to risk a throw where there'd be more variance in accuracy (the deeper the throw, the wider the accuracy variance tends to be). He had Kittle on a short pass. He trusted Kittle to make a contested catch if it came to it, more than he trusted himself to throw it 20 yards down the field and for Kroft to catch it, regardless of how wide open he was.

And I'd bet money on that conclusion.

In what world is a NFL QB not confident in making this throw?


that's nonsense, considering I got people in saying he's not afraid to make a play or throw the ball downfield. He made a pre-snap read and went with Kittle regardless…that's predetermining a pass.

it's not the end of the world, but saying he doesn't lock onto a read or making a predetermined call pre-snap and stick with it is a bad take.
May 20, 2023 at 5:22 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Love it. Back to the magical "missed the wide open man" criticism. The criticism that can't be quantified. What's the aqverage number of times a quarterback misses "the wide open man" per game? What's the season record? What's the ranking among NFL qb's? What's it even mean to be "wide open" any way? At what time is "wide openness" determined in the play? Is it at the point of release or when the motion begins? Do you count missing the "wide open man" if the pass is completed to another "wide open man"? Or a covered guy? Is it missing the "wide open man" on 3rd and 4 to hit the quick out for 5 yards if the "wide open man" is running a fly?

dumb dumb dumb dumb and dumber.

Warren buffet is a s**tty investor....look at all the stocks he missed. Lol

Someone saying he doesn't misread plays or make predetermine passes…is then showed plays of him doing just that. It's not saying he blows, it's showing that ya'll have put him on such a pedestal that you refuse to acknowledge anything that isn't great or s**t that a rookie QB could improve upon.

Now you're making Warren buffet likeness lol. Wtf.

And what is the average of misread passes per game in the NFL? Is brock above or below the average? I can't wait for the "missed audible" criticism coming. I'm sure he sucks there too....so we must play Lance!! A boob who would criticise brock for "missing wide open guys" is the same BOOB who would criticise warren buffet for missing so many winners. That's the comp.
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