49ers Coaching Staff

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jcool:
John Beck? The guy the Jets hired to work with Zack Wilson and did nothing? Not sure why you want that.

Because he's a quality QB guru...his job in NJ was to consult with quarterbacks on mechanics and fundamentals. Wilson is stellar in those two departments. He wasn't the QB coach or play caller.

So no I don't want Rob Calabrese who's the actual QB coach.

John beck also helped Herbert on his mechanics and has worked with Brady, Brees, Dak, Jackson, Ryan, Stafford among others.

Strange that you left off Blake Bortles, Jared Goff, Carson Wentz & Marcus Mariota.

lol... just saying we really could have upgraded with fangio helping demeco out , but it is what it is, demeco is solid, losing bobby turner is a huge blow tho

Agree were still looking for experienced guy to coach up the back 7. Make them proactive not just reactive. Thought donatell would have worked. Vic if he was more 4-3. But we still need someone to take us out of the soft cover mentality that blows games. Could also maybe use a bethea type vet to call out common sense pre snap reads. Honestly we missed sherm there. Stll feel its a position of need for the d.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

New 49ers assistant Anthony Lynn played RB under Bobby Turner — Lynn was hired as a natural fit to work with SF's running backs in 2022 https://t.co/oDARdTaSeA

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) March 1, 2022

Lombardi shares that sentiment. It's just crazy the way Kyle's staff was picked apart this off-season. I expected some poaching to happen but not dang near the entire staff to change.

makes total sense to me.

Anthony Lynn is going to be a RB position coach? Who will be the running game coordinator?

Like Juice said, Mike McDaniel was the archetype of the running game and Kyle the play caller off that on game days.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Bill Walsh worked with Steve Stenstrom and drafted Giovanni Carmazzi. We holding that against him?

I'm learning everyone that isn't a name is some bum that some posters figure they can probably do better than.

I am not saying that these are great hires but its equally foolish to assume they are bad. Its freaking quality control coaches which is how many coaches get their start.

With these takes here, they would've called Andy Reid a scrub in 1992 when he was hired on Mike Holmgren's staff.

Kyle is smart enough to hire Bobby Turner, Wes Welker, Mike McDaniel, Robert Saleh, and DeMeco Ryans, but isn't smart enough to develop a pipeline of coaches to ultimately replace guys apparently. Another day in the land where the sky is always falling.

Just waiting for the negative takes on the staff not attending the Combine. Thank God McVay's staff is out too or there would be another thing to crucify us for.

All these great coaches started out at the bottom. Kyle was offensive quality control coach in TB back in 2003. Same with McVay and a lot of others.

It's wild how much people hate s**t in here, just cause.

That's wonderful but somebody has to train up all of these guys. Bill Walsh had an insane coaching staff that quality control staff could learn from, develop and grow from. Kyle learned from his dad.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by stefano89:
the same dudes who think we can survive multiple coaching losses one after another an not suffer performance downgrades are the probably the same dudes who think our team is not more injured than most of the league, and "its just the nfl" "its a rough sport", "this amount of injuries is normal". it all leads back to the same mental block....

denial, denial, denial.

So you have us down for 0-17? 4-13?

Im thinking more like 0-24.

we somehow find a way to lose more games than there is in an entire NFL season . the sky is falling, the world is over. we are all doomed. right?

Originally posted by NCommand:
Anthony Lynn is going to be a RB position coach? Who will be the running game coordinator?

Like Juice said, Mike McDaniel was the archetype of the running game and Kyle the play caller off that on game days.

Why do we need a running game coordinator? That wasn't even a thing before Kyle got here and that was a position made up to hold all these young coaches. Half the league doesn't formally have that position.

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's wonderful but somebody has to train up all of these guys. Bill Walsh had an insane coaching staff that quality control staff could learn from, develop and grow from. Kyle learned from his dad.

And we have guys that have been learning from our position coaches, no? Now it's their turn to take on bigger roles with the team…that's the whole point.

Do you honestly think Kyle isn't gonna have a quality staff? People can complain about whatever with Kyle his staff hasn't been more than fine since he got here (and gotten poached more than once).

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's wonderful but somebody has to train up all of these guys. Bill Walsh had an insane coaching staff that quality control staff could learn from, develop and grow from. Kyle learned from his dad.

And we have guys that have been learning from our position coaches, no? Now it's their turn to take on bigger roles with the team…that's the whole point.

Do you honestly think Kyle isn't gonna have a quality staff? People can complain about whatever with Kyle his staff hasn't been more than fine since he got here (and gotten poached more than once).

Yeah that is the one thing I am not worried about with Kyle. He has so much respect around the football world so he would have little problem bringing in quality coaches.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's wonderful but somebody has to train up all of these guys. Bill Walsh had an insane coaching staff that quality control staff could learn from, develop and grow from. Kyle learned from his dad.

And we have guys that have been learning from our position coaches, no? Now it's their turn to take on bigger roles with the team…that's the whole point.

Do you honestly think Kyle isn't gonna have a quality staff? People can complain about whatever with Kyle his staff hasn't been more than fine since he got here (and gotten poached more than once).

Maybe. We don't know given the volume of the turnover this year. You think Brian Fleury was training under Jon Embree while he was getting coffee and donuts for Kyle? Leonard Hankerson was training under Wes Welker?

Maybe.

But my initial stance is that there are 10 positions to fill on top of the positions he's already cumulatively lost over the years. And last year, by far, was his worst year as a play caller and in game management. Slower to adjust and adapt IMHO.

And getting an entire green staff up to speed is going to take a lot of time and energy away from Kyle.

Obviously, the Rams proved it can be done. It's just not ideal in a year where I want stability and full focus of Kyle developing Trey and that staff being in position to know what's best for Trey because they have the experience and respect of Kyle for input.

I'm not saying this is terrible...just not ideal. And we'll see if losing this much has an effect on the field and in development. Fortunately, this is a pretty self-driven, veteran club.

FYI, Crock and Peacock seem to think there might have been some strife with Kyle too...noting a DM that noted both Rich and Wes would be gone as far back as October and given Kyle didn't block a lateral move.

Who knows if it's true.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

New 49ers assistant Anthony Lynn played RB under Bobby Turner — Lynn was hired as a natural fit to work with SF's running backs in 2022 https://t.co/oDARdTaSeA

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) March 1, 2022

Lombardi shares that sentiment. It's just crazy the way Kyle's staff was picked apart this off-season. I expected some poaching to happen but not dang near the entire staff to change.

makes total sense to me.

Anthony Lynn is going to be a RB position coach? Who will be the running game coordinator?

Like Juice said, Mike McDaniel was the archetype of the running game and Kyle the play caller off that on game days.

It's possible for a coach to do both. Happens on multiple staffs throughout the league. Most of the time the oline coach plays dual role of running game coordinator and position coach even when they don't have the running game coordinator title. Lafleur was helping with the passing game and coaching the receivers before Kyle hired Welker.

Originally posted by NCommand:
FYI, Crock and Peacock seem to think there might have been some strife with Kyle too...noting a DM that noted both Rich and Wes would be gone as far back as October and given Kyle didn't block a lateral move.

Who knows if it's true.

Won't be surprised if true. This isn't anything against Kyle, I think this is a good thing in his profession, but Kyle is not a people pleaser. He demands perfection and that will rub people off the wrong way and maybe some of the coaching staff didn't like some of his approach. It is what it is, I like Welker and the development of the receivers, but it isn't the end of the world.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
49ers hiring Stephen Adegoke as assistant coach

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/28/report-49ers-hiring-stephen-adegoke-as-assistant-coach/

Damn. Dont mean to sound alarmed but two weeks ago we"re yukking it up with vic fangio to be sr consultant. Now were hiring dudes with NO pro experience. What the heck.

It's just a quality control position. The lowest position on the coaching ladder. Every team hires these guys every off-season. It's just an entry level position on the staff. Everyone has to start somewhere.

Wow, Kyle is stocking up on Quality Control staff for the defense. He usually keeps just two for offense and two for defense:

Defensive Quality Control - Andrew Hayes-Stoker, Klay Kubiak, Asauni Rufus & Stephen Adegoke

Defense and run game might have to carry the team. Lance may struggle a little bit at first. With Kyle and Lynn on the offense side of the ball, I don't think we're in any kind of crisis due to the poaching

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

New 49ers assistant Anthony Lynn played RB under Bobby Turner — Lynn was hired as a natural fit to work with SF's running backs in 2022 https://t.co/oDARdTaSeA

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) March 1, 2022

Lombardi shares that sentiment. It's just crazy the way Kyle's staff was picked apart this off-season. I expected some poaching to happen but not dang near the entire staff to change.

makes total sense to me.

Anthony Lynn is going to be a RB position coach? Who will be the running game coordinator?

Like Juice said, Mike McDaniel was the archetype of the running game and Kyle the play caller off that on game days.

It's possible for a coach to do both. Happens on multiple staffs throughout the league. Most of the time the oline coach plays dual role of running game coordinator and position coach even when they don't have the running game coordinator title. Lafleur was helping with the passing game and coaching the receivers before Kyle hired Welker.

That could be. Hopefully we'll get some clarity on it soon.

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
Defense and run game might have to carry the team. Lance may struggle a little bit at first. With Kyle and Lynn on the offense side of the ball, I don't think we're in any kind of crisis due to the poaching

I agree. No crisis here and Kyle has the option to bring in experienced help with a wide open budget from Jed OR he could choose to bring in inexperienced staff to train and build that pool up...or a combination of both like we're seeing with the hiring of Lynn and the promotion of two QC staff.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Maybe. We don't know given the volume of the turnover this year. You think Brian Fleury was training under Jon Embree while he was getting coffee and donuts for Kyle? Leonard Hankerson was training under Wes Welker?

Maybe.

But my initial stance is that there are 10 positions to fill on top of the positions he's already cumulatively lost over the years. And last year, by far, was his worst year as a play caller and in game management. Slower to adjust and adapt IMHO.

And getting an entire green staff up to speed is going to take a lot of time and energy away from Kyle.

Obviously, the Rams proved it can be done. It's just not ideal in a year where I want stability and full focus of Kyle developing Trey and that staff being in position to know what's best for Trey because they have the experience and respect of Kyle for input.

I'm not saying this is terrible...just not ideal. And we'll see if losing this much has an effect on the field and in development. Fortunately, this is a pretty self-driven, veteran club.

You think that's all those dudes do? Nah man...I mean why are you worrying about quality control positions in other posts if all you think they do is get coffee and donuts anyway?

It's not really a green staff if most of these guys have been in this building the whole time. It's neve ideal when you lose good coaches...it's been happening to good teams for years though.