SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS at LOS ANGELES RAMS - 2021 Season NFC Championship Game

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by Medteam:

Originally posted by 8080849ers:

jimmy actually got worse under him.

I feel like this could be true.

I think so too. When Jimmy came and didn't grasp the playbook yet, he was slinging it, running for TDs and in a flow. After his ACL, Jimmy did look more timid and was maybe told not to run? Kyle system is complex and there might be something to it that it has structured Jimmy too much. Or is Jimmy too limited that Kyles schemes around that? Hard to say.

Firmly believe shanahan ruined him. Garoppolo looked like one of the best in the league when he came here.

shanahan's ultra rigid and complex system puts pressure and doesn't allow for flexibility. I felt like instead of adapting it to Jimmy's strengths he made him worse. Or he catered too much and then never allowed jimmy to do things like throw deep or run because he reinforced to him that he couldn't.

either way, jimmy got worse instead of better and coaches shouldn't have that happen

Or maybe he was just never that good. Maybe the defenses just figured him out after they watched the tape on him.

2017 was FOOLS GOLD GARBAGE.

I wish it never happened at this point.

He was just never that good. He completely fooled everyone and took the 100 million because we were starving for anything decent at the QB position after Beathard.

This notion that you get worse as you absorb the playbook has no basis. It's just another way to deflect Jimmy's poor play and blame the coaches. Also, its not only the coaches job to teach him fundamentals like footwork and mechanics. They need to put some effort into that themselves.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by Medteam:

Originally posted by 8080849ers:

jimmy actually got worse under him.

I feel like this could be true.

I think so too. When Jimmy came and didn't grasp the playbook yet, he was slinging it, running for TDs and in a flow. After his ACL, Jimmy did look more timid and was maybe told not to run? Kyle system is complex and there might be something to it that it has structured Jimmy too much. Or is Jimmy too limited that Kyles schemes around that? Hard to say.

Firmly believe shanahan ruined him. Garoppolo looked like one of the best in the league when he came here.

shanahan's ultra rigid and complex system puts pressure and doesn't allow for flexibility. I felt like instead of adapting it to Jimmy's strengths he made him worse. Or he catered too much and then never allowed jimmy to do things like throw deep or run because he reinforced to him that he couldn't.

either way, jimmy got worse instead of better and coaches shouldn't have that happen

Or maybe he was just never that good. Maybe the defenses just figured him out after they watched the tape on him.

2017 was FOOLS GOLD GARBAGE.

I wish it never happened at this point.

He was just never that good. He completely fooled everyone and took the 100 million because we were starving for anything decent at the QB position after Beathard.

This notion that you get worse as you absorb the playbook has no basis. It's just another way to deflect Jimmy's poor play and blame the coaches. Also, its not only the coaches job to teach him fundamentals like footwork and mechanics. They need to put some effort into that themselves.

I am not a jimmy defender. He's just as much to blame.
But there could be an element of shanahan being overbearing.

look at the aiyuk situation earlier this year.

but come back to me when we start making the same excuses for Lance

"Shanahan can't execute it"
"Lance needs to go through his reads"

people love to absolve shanny.

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by jcs:
Kyle literally rode RG3 into the ground. Shaub was never developed. Ryan was already a 3x probowler before Kyle arrived.

His track record with developing QB's is not that great. He even had Manziel as a rookie before he literally quit on the Browns.

Schaub was a journeyman QB with limited talent who made a Pro Bowl and had his best season under Kyle. He can't give the guy more talent…wtf was he supposed to do for him? He gave the guy a career.

Ryan was a three time Pro Bowler who hadn't won s**t and still hasn't since Kyle left. He had his best season under Kyle, it's an objective fact. He won the MVP and made a SB….

RGIII tore his knee up. Wtf are you supposed to do? Not run a QB who is known for his ability to run? Tell Lamar that then. Injuries are mostly flukes, blaming a coach for that is insane.

Manziel? LOL. Yeah bro, he really made an effort to stick in the NFL under his next dozen coaches. Insane that you'd even try to bring up Manziel to make any sort of point here.

Kyle has developed nobody at the QB position in the NFL.

And yes RG3 tore up his knee...after carrying it 120 times his rookie year. Bare this in mind when you analyze Trey because he's already had 24 carries in 2 career starts and a knee injury with kyle calling the plays.

Are we back to thinking Shanahan is a bad coach? Holy s**t.

These guys invent s**t to fit their narratives.

Cowher, Dungy, Vermeil, Madden, Payton, Reid, Harbaugh, Tomlin. All guys with one SB and all considered either former or current great HCs. However, this forum would have you believe that it's easy to make and win SBs.

Reeves, Levy, Schottenheimer, Grant, Brown, Allen, etc. Guys who never won it.

But remember it's easy.

Even McVay looked spotty at times. Two god awful challenges and blowing through all his timeouts with nearly a quarter left and two delay of game penalties the refs let him get away it. He's very lucky he pulled out the win because he would be getting chewed out even worse.

Secondly, I think we still missed Raheem Mostert speed. Don't get me wrong, Mitchell was great, but he doesn't have Mostert blazing speed. Should the team resign him?

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Rocket4989:

Originally posted by goldlame2013:
See here's the problem. Deebo is in his prime. Aiyuk is coming into his own. Kittle is in his prime. Bosa is in his prime. Fred Warner is in prime. Those guys are ready to win right now. Trey is at best 2 yrs away from being good. How do you square this circle?

Besides Aaron Rodgers, I don't see anyone else who could utilize the offense. This team is a safety, few linemen and a qb away from being a Super Bowl caliber team.

only if John lynch decides to not be cheap and invest on what's important rather than " we trust our guys " or what ever he always says when secondary is brought up to him

Oh good. You agree we need a real QB. Bout time.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I knew the 49ers were in trouble once the Bucs lost. TBH I expected the 49ers to lose, I just couldn't see two underdogs going into the Super Bowl.

Two things stood out to me.

1. The drive after the kittle td. The defense just let the rams drive down the field. That was a huge killer. And it all started with the taunting penalty.

2. The next drive Jimmy converts some clutch 3rd downs amd we get to the 50. Shanahan calls 3 straight runs and we get to the 42 after juice gets pancaked. Mcvay challenges the fumble and it stands. No timeouts
Shanahan f**king punts instead of going for it. The defense had been getting shredded all day. The rs go down the field and tie it up.

Game was over at that point. There was no running game and the defense sucked. Our identity was stripped.

The defense just straight up looked lost, well at least the secondary did. Ward and K'Wuan had a hard time locating the ball on deep passes. Ambry looked like a rookie, why wasn't he getting Safety help?? Jimmy played pretty well up to the last few minutes of the game at least so yes, he's to blame too and he knows it. I won't blame Tartt on that dropped INT, it would've helped but I just look at it as a pass defense. Moseley and Thomas oh man, I'm wrong again, they NEED to go out and get a solid CB.

Would've loved to get a little help by the refs, they did miss a couple holding calls that could've helped. JMO

Defense was on point. Blaming refs is what children who have to blame anyone else but themselves do. We lost because our QB was second rate. Plain and simple. Missed too many throws, was confused by coverage and simply lacked killer instinct.

Nooooo, children are the ones saying "if you support so and so you need to go jump off a bridge". And a blind homer would say "defense was on point".

Did Jimmy miss throws and throw an INT, absolutely he did. Sure he should get some blame, like I said, even Jimmy would admit that. But tell me, is that the only thing you saw......wait what am I kidding of course it is. All Jimmy's fault.....okay got it. Why the hell am I even discussing this with you I'm suppose to be jumping off a bridge, but if I did that my kids would grow up without a dad.

Hear hear....that guy is delusional. Refs absolutely made a big difference in the game. If anything, it's childish to deny the obvious facts. With 2 great teams, the outcome if often 1 or 2 plays OR 1 or 2 bad/missed calls. To those people in denial, facts don't care about your feelings.

The niners should of made more plays but so should the Rams.

Wait what? How did the refs make a difference in the game? Holy crap. Now we gone from Jimmy didn't lose the game to the refs cost us the game? Lol!

You must of not watched the game. Watch it again. 3 delay of games, at least 1-2 personal fouls, non holding calls all day and that taunting call 😂

LULZ too funny

Yeah, blame the refs. That's why we lost. Cool story.
Grow the f**k up.

Watch your f**king mouth. Who the hell are you anyway? Never mind, nobody cares. Just bc you're wrong and in denial don't cry about it.

Originally posted by goldlame2013:
See here's the problem. Deebo is in his prime. Aiyuk is coming into his own. Kittle is in his prime. Bosa is in his prime. Fred Warner is in prime. Those guys are ready to win right now. Trey is at best 2 yrs away from being good. How do you square this circle?

Look at Trey's numbers in the 2.5 games he's played in and compare them with Jimmy's 2021 numbers.

Trey's small sample size is already better than Jimmy and that's before he's going to get the entire 2022 offseason to develop…

Well season over , I'll see you guys next year or during free agency

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I knew the 49ers were in trouble once the Bucs lost. TBH I expected the 49ers to lose, I just couldn't see two underdogs going into the Super Bowl.

Two things stood out to me.

1. The drive after the kittle td. The defense just let the rams drive down the field. That was a huge killer. And it all started with the taunting penalty.

2. The next drive Jimmy converts some clutch 3rd downs amd we get to the 50. Shanahan calls 3 straight runs and we get to the 42 after juice gets pancaked. Mcvay challenges the fumble and it stands. No timeouts
Shanahan f**king punts instead of going for it. The defense had been getting shredded all day. The rs go down the field and tie it up.

Game was over at that point. There was no running game and the defense sucked. Our identity was stripped.

The defense just straight up looked lost, well at least the secondary did. Ward and K'Wuan had a hard time locating the ball on deep passes. Ambry looked like a rookie, why wasn't he getting Safety help?? Jimmy played pretty well up to the last few minutes of the game at least so yes, he's to blame too and he knows it. I won't blame Tartt on that dropped INT, it would've helped but I just look at it as a pass defense. Moseley and Thomas oh man, I'm wrong again, they NEED to go out and get a solid CB.

Would've loved to get a little help by the refs, they did miss a couple holding calls that could've helped. JMO

Defense was on point. Blaming refs is what children who have to blame anyone else but themselves do. We lost because our QB was second rate. Plain and simple. Missed too many throws, was confused by coverage and simply lacked killer instinct.

Nooooo, children are the ones saying "if you support so and so you need to go jump off a bridge". And a blind homer would say "defense was on point".

Did Jimmy miss throws and throw an INT, absolutely he did. Sure he should get some blame, like I said, even Jimmy would admit that. But tell me, is that the only thing you saw......wait what am I kidding of course it is. All Jimmy's fault.....okay got it. Why the hell am I even discussing this with you I'm suppose to be jumping off a bridge, but if I did that my kids would grow up without a dad.

Hear hear....that guy is delusional. Refs absolutely made a big difference in the game. If anything, it's childish to deny the obvious facts. With 2 great teams, the outcome if often 1 or 2 plays OR 1 or 2 bad/missed calls. To those people in denial, facts don't care about your feelings.

The niners should of made more plays but so should the Rams.

Wait what? How did the refs make a difference in the game? Holy crap. Now we gone from Jimmy didn't lose the game to the refs cost us the game? Lol!

You must of not watched the game. Watch it again. 3 delay of games, at least 1-2 personal fouls, non holding calls all day and that taunting call 😂

LULZ too funny

Yeah, blame the refs. That's why we lost. Cool story.
Grow the f**k up.

Watch your f**king mouth. Just bc you're wrong and in denial don't cry about it.

Your mom is calling. BTW, giving yourself a handle that means handsome is the easiest way to know you look like this guy.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Rocket4989:

Originally posted by goldlame2013:
See here's the problem. Deebo is in his prime. Aiyuk is coming into his own. Kittle is in his prime. Bosa is in his prime. Fred Warner is in prime. Those guys are ready to win right now. Trey is at best 2 yrs away from being good. How do you square this circle?

Besides Aaron Rodgers, I don't see anyone else who could utilize the offense. This team is a safety, few linemen and a qb away from being a Super Bowl caliber team.

only if John lynch decides to not be cheap and invest on what's important rather than " we trust our guys " or what ever he always says when secondary is brought up to him

Oh good. You agree we need a real QB. Bout time.

49ers do have a REAL QB in Jimmy Garoppolo, too bad the 49ers fan base don't think so. Top 12 QB isn't too bad. Too bad the 49ers secondary is fools gold.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I am not a jimmy defender. He's just as much to blame.
But there could be an element of shanahan being overbearing.

look at the aiyuk situation earlier this year.

but come back to me when we start making the same excuses for Lance

"Shanahan can't execute it"
"Lance needs to go through his reads"

people love to absolve shanny.

Shanahan is getting fired if Lance isn't any good either way

Trey will improve the team just on his running ability, ability and willingness to throw deep and outside the numbers and lack of boneheaded throws or ints compared to Jimmy G.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by goldlame2013:
See here's the problem. Deebo is in his prime. Aiyuk is coming into his own. Kittle is in his prime. Bosa is in his prime. Fred Warner is in prime. Those guys are ready to win right now. Trey is at best 2 yrs away from being good. How do you square this circle?

Look at Trey's numbers in the 2.5 games he's played in and compare them with Jimmy's 2021 numbers.

Trey's small sample size is already better than Jimmy and that's before he's going to get the entire 2022 offseason to develop…

Not from what I saw. He was scared. Holding the ball too long. No awareness of pass rush coming to strip the ball. The kid is a sitting duck. He's a project, it's gonna be years before he's good.

Originally posted by goldlame2013:
Not from what I saw. He was scared. Holding the ball too long. No awareness of pass rush coming to strip the ball. The kid is a sitting duck. He's a project, it's gonna be years before he's good.

He has zero fumbles. Tf are you talking about?