SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS at LOS ANGELES RAMS - 2021 Season NFC Championship Game

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by jcs:
+1. A.Thomas was picked on all night had 10 solo tackles and all of them were probably on passes he gave up. Ward was completely lost in coverage and Williams and Moseley were pretty bad. Secondary cost us today and I don't see it getting better unless they invest some $$ and draft capital to shore it up.

we only allowed 20 points, the offense cost us. you can't put up 17 and expect to win.

You can't be serious. They put up points because they sustained long drives and continued to convert 3rd downs. The defense was absolutely atrocious.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I knew the 49ers were in trouble once the Bucs lost. TBH I expected the 49ers to lose, I just couldn't see two underdogs going into the Super Bowl.

Two things stood out to me.

1. The drive after the kittle td. The defense just let the rams drive down the field. That was a huge killer. And it all started with the taunting penalty.

2. The next drive Jimmy converts some clutch 3rd downs amd we get to the 50. Shanahan calls 3 straight runs and we get to the 42 after juice gets pancaked. Mcvay challenges the fumble and it stands. No timeouts
Shanahan f**king punts instead of going for it. The defense had been getting shredded all day. The rs go down the field and tie it up.

Game was over at that point. There was no running game and the defense sucked. Our identity was stripped.

The defense just straight up looked lost, well at least the secondary did. Ward and K'Wuan had a hard time locating the ball on deep passes. Ambry looked like a rookie, why wasn't he getting Safety help?? Jimmy played pretty well up to the last few minutes of the game at least so yes, he's to blame too and he knows it. I won't blame Tartt on that dropped INT, it would've helped but I just look at it as a pass defense. Moseley and Thomas oh man, I'm wrong again, they NEED to go out and get a solid CB.

Would've loved to get a little help by the refs, they did miss a couple holding calls that could've helped. JMO

Defense was on point. Blaming refs is what children who have to blame anyone else but themselves do. We lost because our QB was second rate. Plain and simple. Missed too many throws, was confused by coverage and simply lacked killer instinct.

Nooooo, children are the ones saying "if you support so and so you need to go jump off a bridge". And a blind homer would say "defense was on point".

Did Jimmy miss throws and throw an INT, absolutely he did. Sure he should get some blame, like I said, even Jimmy would admit that. But tell me, is that the only thing you saw......wait what am I kidding of course it is. All Jimmy's fault.....okay got it. Why the hell am I even discussing this with you I'm suppose to be jumping off a bridge, but if I did that my kids would grow up without a dad.

Oh my goodness. If you jumped off a bridge because some rando on the internet told you to then you'd probably be as desperate as someone trying to defend Jimmy G.

Originally posted by 8080849ers:

jimmy actually got worse under him.

I feel like this could be true.

Jimmy got injured but yet still he went to the NFCCG twice and a super bowl

Originally posted by 8080849ers:

jimmy actually got worse under him.

I feel like this could be true.

I think so too. When Jimmy came and didn't grasp the playbook yet, he was slinging it, running for TDs and in a flow. After his ACL, Jimmy did look more timid and was maybe told not to run? Kyle system is complex and there might be something to it that it has structured Jimmy too much. Or is Jimmy too limited that Kyles schemes around that? Hard to say.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by jcs:
+1. A.Thomas was picked on all night had 10 solo tackles and all of them were probably on passes he gave up. Ward was completely lost in coverage and Williams and Moseley were pretty bad. Secondary cost us today and I don't see it getting better unless they invest some $$ and draft capital to shore it up.

we only allowed 20 points, the offense cost us. you can't put up 17 and expect to win.

Thank you. The offense had that d on the field all night too. How long you expect them to hold up against kupp and Beckham

Originally posted by Medteam:
I think so too. When Jimmy came and didn't grasp the playbook yet, he was slinging it, running for TDs and in a flow. After his ACL, Jimmy did look more timid and was maybe told not to run? Kyle system is complex and there might be something to it that it has structured Jimmy too much. Or is Jimmy too limited that Kyles schemes around that? Hard to say.

Let's look at RG3, Cousins, and Matt Ryan and how they did with him and without him…Matt Ryan was a damn mvp under his tutelage.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I just don't see how anyone has any faith he can develop Lance based on what we've seen.

jimmy actually got worse under him. And he found no opportunity to play Lance this year.

kinda makes ya wonder if Lance was forced on him

Schaub had his best season ever, Pro-Bowl.
RGIII played his only good football under him, ORoY and Pro Bowl.
Ryan won the MVP under him…
Not sure how Jimmy "got worse", this is the only team and HC he's been a regular starter under.

I'll reserve judgement but when he's had talented QBs, they've usually produced.

Originally posted by Medteam:

Originally posted by 8080849ers:

jimmy actually got worse under him.

I feel like this could be true.

I think so too. When Jimmy came and didn't grasp the playbook yet, he was slinging it, running for TDs and in a flow. After his ACL, Jimmy did look more timid and was maybe told not to run? Kyle system is complex and there might be something to it that it has structured Jimmy too much. Or is Jimmy too limited that Kyles schemes around that? Hard to say.

Firmly believe shanahan ruined him. Garoppolo looked like one of the best in the league when he came here.

shanahan's ultra rigid and complex system puts pressure and doesn't allow for flexibility. I felt like instead of adapting it to Jimmy's strengths he made him worse. Or he catered too much and then never allowed jimmy to do things like throw deep or run because he reinforced to him that he couldn't.

either way, jimmy got worse instead of better and coaches shouldn't have that happen

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I knew the 49ers were in trouble once the Bucs lost. TBH I expected the 49ers to lose, I just couldn't see two underdogs going into the Super Bowl.

Two things stood out to me.

1. The drive after the kittle td. The defense just let the rams drive down the field. That was a huge killer. And it all started with the taunting penalty.

2. The next drive Jimmy converts some clutch 3rd downs amd we get to the 50. Shanahan calls 3 straight runs and we get to the 42 after juice gets pancaked. Mcvay challenges the fumble and it stands. No timeouts
Shanahan f**king punts instead of going for it. The defense had been getting shredded all day. The rs go down the field and tie it up.

Game was over at that point. There was no running game and the defense sucked. Our identity was stripped.

The defense just straight up looked lost, well at least the secondary did. Ward and K'Wuan had a hard time locating the ball on deep passes. Ambry looked like a rookie, why wasn't he getting Safety help?? Jimmy played pretty well up to the last few minutes of the game at least so yes, he's to blame too and he knows it. I won't blame Tartt on that dropped INT, it would've helped but I just look at it as a pass defense. Moseley and Thomas oh man, I'm wrong again, they NEED to go out and get a solid CB.

Would've loved to get a little help by the refs, they did miss a couple holding calls that could've helped. JMO

Defense was on point. Blaming refs is what children who have to blame anyone else but themselves do. We lost because our QB was second rate. Plain and simple. Missed too many throws, was confused by coverage and simply lacked killer instinct.

Nooooo, children are the ones saying "if you support so and so you need to go jump off a bridge". And a blind homer would say "defense was on point".

Did Jimmy miss throws and throw an INT, absolutely he did. Sure he should get some blame, like I said, even Jimmy would admit that. But tell me, is that the only thing you saw......wait what am I kidding of course it is. All Jimmy's fault.....okay got it. Why the hell am I even discussing this with you I'm suppose to be jumping off a bridge, but if I did that my kids would grow up without a dad.

Don't jump off a bridge man. It was not a serious comment. We're all fans and I didn't mean that seriously.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I knew the 49ers were in trouble once the Bucs lost. TBH I expected the 49ers to lose, I just couldn't see two underdogs going into the Super Bowl.

Two things stood out to me.

1. The drive after the kittle td. The defense just let the rams drive down the field. That was a huge killer. And it all started with the taunting penalty.

2. The next drive Jimmy converts some clutch 3rd downs amd we get to the 50. Shanahan calls 3 straight runs and we get to the 42 after juice gets pancaked. Mcvay challenges the fumble and it stands. No timeouts
Shanahan f**king punts instead of going for it. The defense had been getting shredded all day. The rs go down the field and tie it up.

Game was over at that point. There was no running game and the defense sucked. Our identity was stripped.

The defense just straight up looked lost, well at least the secondary did. Ward and K'Wuan had a hard time locating the ball on deep passes. Ambry looked like a rookie, why wasn't he getting Safety help?? Jimmy played pretty well up to the last few minutes of the game at least so yes, he's to blame too and he knows it. I won't blame Tartt on that dropped INT, it would've helped but I just look at it as a pass defense. Moseley and Thomas oh man, I'm wrong again, they NEED to go out and get a solid CB.

Would've loved to get a little help by the refs, they did miss a couple holding calls that could've helped. JMO

Defense was on point. Blaming refs is what children who have to blame anyone else but themselves do. We lost because our QB was second rate. Plain and simple. Missed too many throws, was confused by coverage and simply lacked killer instinct.

Nooooo, children are the ones saying "if you support so and so you need to go jump off a bridge". And a blind homer would say "defense was on point".

Did Jimmy miss throws and throw an INT, absolutely he did. Sure he should get some blame, like I said, even Jimmy would admit that. But tell me, is that the only thing you saw......wait what am I kidding of course it is. All Jimmy's fault.....okay got it. Why the hell am I even discussing this with you I'm suppose to be jumping off a bridge, but if I did that my kids would grow up without a dad.

Hear hear....that guy is delusional. Refs absolutely made a big difference in the game. If anything, it's childish to deny the obvious facts. With 2 great teams, the outcome if often 1 or 2 plays OR 1 or 2 bad/missed calls. To those people in denial, facts don't care about your feelings.

The niners should of made more plays but so should the Rams.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by kdoggie:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:
And we lost to a team that had better odds than us to win the SB, they were a contender too we want to ignore that they were an ultra talented team that traded for Odell, Ramsey, Stafford, etc. Packers had better odds, equal on some sites but we beat them too. It's tough to win a f**king playoff game let alone a SB.

Bro it's also tough to win a game when your QB whiffs or doesn't see would be long gains or touchdown passes to Kittle, Juice, and Jennings. But hey - we are here now.

Agreed. I don't put much blame on Kyle, he doesn't execute the plays. I want to see what he can do with a young QB like Trey and then let everyone burn him at the stake if he fails with that. Until that time, I think he has overachieved with what we've had for the most part. It's rare to see a team this competitive with our level of QB play.

I do acknowledge that we did in fact trade for Jimmy but I think he was a better QB in 2019 before the injury and was still a good trade for us because he made us competitive. He just isn't the type of QB who can make you a contender or feared year in and out. The way the league has trended, you need that.

Jimmy in 2017 when we traded for him was still young and had promise for growth….but sadly he didn't get better. So now Trey is the new hope.

I just don't see how anyone has any faith he can develop Lance based on what we've seen.

jimmy actually got worse under him. And he found no opportunity to play Lance this year.

kinda makes ya wonder if Lance was forced on him

Kyle definitely prefers veterans. That's why he played washed up DBs over the rookies they drafted. It's why they went after Stafford and Rodgers and why he didn't bother to scout Mahomes or Watson. The biggest indictment of Kyle's ability to develop a QB is Kyle himself. I don't think he is interested in doing it but we will see. Maybe the FO was like "you had 4 years to figure the QB situation and we still have Jimmy" so they forced a more dramatic move. Or maybe Kyle was also desperate after seeing so many good QBs come into the league since 2017.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I knew the 49ers were in trouble once the Bucs lost. TBH I expected the 49ers to lose, I just couldn't see two underdogs going into the Super Bowl.

Two things stood out to me.

1. The drive after the kittle td. The defense just let the rams drive down the field. That was a huge killer. And it all started with the taunting penalty.

2. The next drive Jimmy converts some clutch 3rd downs amd we get to the 50. Shanahan calls 3 straight runs and we get to the 42 after juice gets pancaked. Mcvay challenges the fumble and it stands. No timeouts
Shanahan f**king punts instead of going for it. The defense had been getting shredded all day. The rs go down the field and tie it up.

Game was over at that point. There was no running game and the defense sucked. Our identity was stripped.

The defense just straight up looked lost, well at least the secondary did. Ward and K'Wuan had a hard time locating the ball on deep passes. Ambry looked like a rookie, why wasn't he getting Safety help?? Jimmy played pretty well up to the last few minutes of the game at least so yes, he's to blame too and he knows it. I won't blame Tartt on that dropped INT, it would've helped but I just look at it as a pass defense. Moseley and Thomas oh man, I'm wrong again, they NEED to go out and get a solid CB.

Would've loved to get a little help by the refs, they did miss a couple holding calls that could've helped. JMO

Defense was on point. Blaming refs is what children who have to blame anyone else but themselves do. We lost because our QB was second rate. Plain and simple. Missed too many throws, was confused by coverage and simply lacked killer instinct.

Nooooo, children are the ones saying "if you support so and so you need to go jump off a bridge". And a blind homer would say "defense was on point".

Did Jimmy miss throws and throw an INT, absolutely he did. Sure he should get some blame, like I said, even Jimmy would admit that. But tell me, is that the only thing you saw......wait what am I kidding of course it is. All Jimmy's fault.....okay got it. Why the hell am I even discussing this with you I'm suppose to be jumping off a bridge, but if I did that my kids would grow up without a dad.

Hear hear....that guy is delusional. Refs absolutely made a big difference in the game. If anything, it's childish to deny the obvious facts. With 2 great teams, the outcome if often 1 or 2 plays OR 1 or 2 bad/missed calls. To those people in denial, facts don't care about your feelings.

The niners should of made more plays but so should the Rams.

Wait what? How did the refs make a difference in the game? Seems to me we got away with a lot of no calls. Fred Warner should have been flagged for jacking Stafford in the back of the head. Holy crap. Now we gone from Jimmy didn't lose the game to the refs cost us the game? Lol!

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I just don't see how anyone has any faith he can develop Lance based on what we've seen.

jimmy actually got worse under him. And he found no opportunity to play Lance this year.

kinda makes ya wonder if Lance was forced on him

Schaub had his best season ever, Pro-Bowl.
RGIII played his only good football under him, ORoY and Pro Bowl.
Ryan won the MVP under him…
Not sure how Jimmy "got worse", this is the only team and HC he's been a regular starter under.

I'll reserve judgement but when he's had talented QBs, they've usually produced.

Kyle literally rode RG3 into the ground. Shaub was never developed. Ryan was already a 3x probowler before Kyle arrived.

His track record with developing QB's is not that great. He even had Manziel as a rookie before he literally quit on the Browns.

Originally posted by CardinalGold:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by kdoggie:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:
And we lost to a team that had better odds than us to win the SB, they were a contender too we want to ignore that they were an ultra talented team that traded for Odell, Ramsey, Stafford, etc. Packers had better odds, equal on some sites but we beat them too. It's tough to win a f**king playoff game let alone a SB.

Bro it's also tough to win a game when your QB whiffs or doesn't see would be long gains or touchdown passes to Kittle, Juice, and Jennings. But hey - we are here now.

Agreed. I don't put much blame on Kyle, he doesn't execute the plays. I want to see what he can do with a young QB like Trey and then let everyone burn him at the stake if he fails with that. Until that time, I think he has overachieved with what we've had for the most part. It's rare to see a team this competitive with our level of QB play.

I do acknowledge that we did in fact trade for Jimmy but I think he was a better QB in 2019 before the injury and was still a good trade for us because he made us competitive. He just isn't the type of QB who can make you a contender or feared year in and out. The way the league has trended, you need that.

Jimmy in 2017 when we traded for him was still young and had promise for growth….but sadly he didn't get better. So now Trey is the new hope.

I just don't see how anyone has any faith he can develop Lance based on what we've seen.

jimmy actually got worse under him. And he found no opportunity to play Lance this year.

kinda makes ya wonder if Lance was forced on him

Kyle definitely prefers veterans. That's why he played washed up DBs over the rookies they drafted. It's why they went after Stafford and Rodgers and why he didn't bother to scout Mahomes or Watson. The biggest indictment of Kyle's ability to develop a QB is Kyle himself. I don't think he is interested in doing it but we will see. Maybe the FO was like "you had 4 years to figure the QB situation and we still have Jimmy" so they forced a more dramatic move. Or maybe Kyle was also desperate after seeing so many good QBs come into the league since 2017.

Completely agree.

he's stubborn and the penchant for vets even bad ones, says a lot

Originally posted by CardinalGold:
Kyle definitely prefers veterans. That's why he played washed up DBs over the rookies they drafted. It's why they went after Stafford and Rodgers and why he didn't bother to scout Mahomes or Watson. The biggest indictment of Kyle's ability to develop a QB is Kyle himself. I don't think he is interested in doing it but we will see. Maybe the FO was like "you had 4 years to figure the QB situation and we still have Jimmy" so they forced a more dramatic move. Or maybe Kyle was also desperate after seeing so many good QBs come into the league since 2017.

Explains why the offensive line still f**king sucks, and why they signed Mack. Can't develop a center either.