OBJ to the Rams........Seriously!!!!!

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Eric1079:
One question..............How the hell are they seriously doing all of this? Our guys sit on their a$$es, they don't even try. We can't even get a starting caliber CB.............all I can hope for is that OBJ brings his toxic attitude with him.

Because he likely signed for the minimum because he's getting paid $4.25M from CLE as part of the restructured deal, Rams had about $3M in cap room.

As for Buckner, we were tight against the cap in 2020, had we signed him, we may have not been able to extend Warner, Kittle, re-sign Trent, extend Bosa, Deebo next year, the fact the cap went down is a huge reason.

As for the KC this KC that, or TB did this, KC had players with high base salaries to convert to bonuses to prorate them out, plus guys like Kelce, Jones, & Mahomes already were signed for the next yr before their new deals, except Jones, but he didn't get a bonus. As for TB, they signed everyone to 5yr deals that void after 2021.

For us, we had little to no cap room when the offseason was to begin until Dee & Richburg did the redoes, and we signed Trent, Juice, Jones, K'Waun, and others, but they signed with low base salaries, either just above the minimum, or the minimum. The only guys we could redo are Laken, AA, & Garoppolo, but by doing that would result in a huge loss in cap room in 2022, look at like this, say we ended up redoing Jimmy saving $18.42M, well, in 2022 that $18.42M would become dead money once JG is released, savings go from $24.895M to $6.425M.

Sorry, but 3-4 mill dollars in salary difference between AA and Buckner wouldn't have stopped us from signing these guys. Especially since the cap is gonna be going up, and having Jimmy off the books next year, and Ford getting cut. Rams seem to be doing just fine keeping their star players, we could do the same, but money ball is the way this team spends lol. No wonder we suck this year.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Where is AB so he can explain this?

Above, I did.

Not sure what's so funny

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Where is AB so he can explain this?

Above, I did.

Not sure what's so funny

Your long ass explanation to basically say some teams can work the cap and we can't

Who cares.

Rams are going all in no matter the cost. Miller and OBJ are half season rentals in a year that we're doing nothing so going forward it makes no difference to us.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Sorry, but 3-4 mill dollars in salary difference between AA and Buckner wouldn't have stopped us from signing these guys. Especially since the cap is gonna be going up, and having Jimmy off the books next year, and Ford getting cut. Rams seem to be doing just fine keeping their star players, we could do the same, but money ball is the way this team spends lol. No wonder we suck this year.

Yes, it did, you do see Buckner's salary cap hits, they were like $20M+ more than Armstead's for 2020 & 2021, also the cap isn't going up, idk why people keep saying it, sure it's gonna up, but a little bit, it won't explode to the $260M range until 2024, the new TV deals don't kick in until the 2023 season.

Also, the whole reason for drafting Trey, and then cutting Jimmy in 2022 was to be able to afford players like Bosa, so, if you have a QB making $28.5M a yr on the cap or more, you can't afford to keep Bosa long term, even with a Buck extension in 2020, we wouldn't have been able to keep Trent Williams this past offseason, what I'm saying is reality.

Again, teams who are keeping or adding players, it's because they either have players with high salaries that can be converted to bonuses, or signing them to a contract with a bunch of voidable years, so that makes the cap number low, but that ends up biting you in the ass, Saints & Eagles are perfect examples, NO was $100M over, PHI $50M over when the cap was set. The Saints, Packers, & Cowboys are projected to be over the cap in 2022, Rams are projected to be a bit over the 2022 cap, teams like TB & KC are $20M & $12M under in 2022, TB will have a bunch of money that will accelerate onto the 2022 cap.

If the Rams don't win it all, then this, IMO, was all for nothing, same for any team who "goes all in" at the expense of hurting their cap in the future, NO did this, didn't win, NE did this many times, PHI "won" the offseason with this dream team, and didn't do s**t, same with the Jags, Giants, Jets, and a lot of other teams. The best way to build a team long term is drafting well(which yes we have despite whatever anyone says), add under the radar FAs, keep your top players(I hated the Buck trade, but it was needed to keep Kittle, Warner, & Trent), and occasionally signing a big name FA.

Again, if the Rams don't win the SB, they f**ked up, cause they have no picks on the first 2 days except a comp 3rd, they gave a 2nd & 3rd for a 30+yr old injury prone EDGE rusher, and they had to do that because Denver paid $9M of Von Miller's salary this season.

Remember when people around here argued the Rams were mortgaging their future when they traded their 2018 1st, 2018 2nd, 2018 5th, 2018 6th, 2019 2nd and 2019 3rd for: Bradon Cooks, Dante Fowler, Aqib Talib, Sammy Watkins and Marcus Peters.

All those dudes are gone AND the Rams reloaded their roster to be better than before. Meanwhile, the 49ers have wasted more picks than they've hit by a large margin.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Remember when people around here argued the Rams were mortgaging their future when they traded their 2018 1st, 2018 2nd, 2018 5th, 2018 6th, 2019 2nd and 2019 3rd for: Bradon Cooks, Dante Fowler, Aqib Talib, Sammy Watkins and Marcus Peters.

All those dudes are gone AND the Rams reloaded their roster to be better than before. Meanwhile, the 49ers have wasted more picks than they've hit by a large margin.

How quickly people forget this. Btw, You forgot to mention Jared Goff draft trade.

Rams have been "mortgaging there future" for years now.

Yet, they will most likely be in he SB again or atleast NFCC. lol

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Your long ass explanation to basically say some teams can work the cap and we can't

Let me make this perfectly clear, the reason the teams like KC, TB, LAR and others can do this is because they have players with high base salaries to convert into bonuses, or they tack on voidable years, which results in dead money the next year, the 49ers, didn't have many players with high salaries, Jimmy, Armstead, & Laken did, Ward did, they had to do that because they were tight against the cap, not because of bad cap management, but because of this f**king pandemic, they ended up signing so many players, and people were happy, now you guys are b***hing. No matter what happens, each year, you guys complain, you wanted Julio, Gilmore, OBJ, yet you're willing to mortgage the future, cap & draft wise just to bring in guys who guess what are old & injury prone, something you all are tired of us adding guys injury prone, but because we need a WR or CB, and they're big names, you say f**k it, let's get this guy. The next big name to want out, you'll be doing the same thing, it happens year in and year out, it's insufferable. This is why I can't stand this fanbase, never happy, complain about something, this place is toxic with trolls, and people who try to get under peoples skins, this site isn't what it was when I joined back in 2005, and we sucked way worse back then.

I used to think the 49ers organization was a tragedy... now I realize its a comedy.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Your long ass explanation to basically say some teams can work the cap and we can't

Let me make this perfectly clear, the reason the teams like KC, TB, LAR and others can do this is because they have players with high base salaries to convert into bonuses, or they tack on voidable years, which results in dead money the next year, the 49ers, didn't have many players with high salaries, Jimmy, Armstead, & Laken did, Ward did, they had to do that because they were tight against the cap, not because of bad cap management, but because of this f**king pandemic, they ended up signing so many players, and people were happy, now you guys are b***hing. No matter what happens, each year, you guys complain, you wanted Julio, Gilmore, OBJ, yet you're willing to mortgage the future, cap & draft wise just to bring in guys who guess what are old & injury prone, something you all are tired of us adding guys injury prone, but because we need a WR or CB, and they're big names, you say f**k it, let's get this guy. The next big name to want out, you'll be doing the same thing, it happens year in and year out, it's insufferable. This is why I can't stand this fanbase, never happy, complain about something, this place is toxic with trolls, and people who try to get under peoples skins, this site isn't what it was when I joined back in 2005, and we sucked way worse back then.

Cause not screwing over the future cap has worked so well.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Your long ass explanation to basically say some teams can work the cap and we can't

Let me make this perfectly clear, the reason the teams like KC, TB, LAR and others can do this is because they have players with high base salaries to convert into bonuses, or they tack on voidable years, which results in dead money the next year, the 49ers, didn't have many players with high salaries, Jimmy, Armstead, & Laken did, Ward did, they had to do that because they were tight against the cap, not because of bad cap management, but because of this f**king pandemic, they ended up signing so many players, and people were happy, now you guys are b***hing. No matter what happens, each year, you guys complain, you wanted Julio, Gilmore, OBJ, yet you're willing to mortgage the future, cap & draft wise just to bring in guys who guess what are old & injury prone, something you all are tired of us adding guys injury prone, but because we need a WR or CB, and they're big names, you say f**k it, let's get this guy. The next big name to want out, you'll be doing the same thing, it happens year in and year out, it's insufferable. This is why I can't stand this fanbase, never happy, complain about something, this place is toxic with trolls, and people who try to get under peoples skins, this site isn't what it was when I joined back in 2005, and we sucked way worse back then.

TLDR. Sorry man. Im gonna guess it's more excuses for the ineptness of this FO.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Remember when people around here argued the Rams were mortgaging their future when they traded their 2018 1st, 2018 2nd, 2018 5th, 2018 6th, 2019 2nd and 2019 3rd for: Bradon Cooks, Dante Fowler, Aqib Talib, Sammy Watkins and Marcus Peters.

All those dudes are gone AND the Rams reloaded their roster to be better than before. Meanwhile, the 49ers have wasted more picks than they've hit by a large margin.

What did the Rams win? They didn't win a Super Bowl, they ended up giving huge deals to Cooks, and Gurley, ended up regretting that. Again, If the Rams lose, then this for nothing, but you guys will say, but at least they tried, yet mortgaging the future, ruining your cap is what you guys want us to do, be reckless, don't say you don't, cause you guys always want the big name who comes available, not just Julio, Gilmore, & OBJ, but remember Rodgers, Mack(which would have cost us our 2018 & 2019 1st's, which means no Nick Bosa).

Originally posted by Heroism:
Remember when people around here argued the Rams were mortgaging their future when they traded their 2018 1st, 2018 2nd, 2018 5th, 2018 6th, 2019 2nd and 2019 3rd for: Bradon Cooks, Dante Fowler, Aqib Talib, Sammy Watkins and Marcus Peters.

All those dudes are gone AND the Rams reloaded their roster to be better than before. Meanwhile, the 49ers have wasted more picks than they've hit by a large margin.

Yup. I member.

Are we still running it back? Back to 2017?

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Cause not screwing over the future cap has worked so well.

Anyone who understands the business side of Football will agree with me, but whatever, keep pushing to screw the future up.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
TLDR. Sorry man. Im gonna guess it's more excuses for the ineptness of this FO.

Not excuses, it's the truth, but people like you will b***h, moan, and complain about anything and everything the 49ers do if they're losing, you guys were happy in the offseason, yeah we got Trent & Juice back, we made a bold move to get Trey Lance, now that we're 3-5, OMG, the sky is falling, they won't go all in, blah blah blah, same s**t, different day.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Remember when people around here argued the Rams were mortgaging their future when they traded their 2018 1st, 2018 2nd, 2018 5th, 2018 6th, 2019 2nd and 2019 3rd for: Bradon Cooks, Dante Fowler, Aqib Talib, Sammy Watkins and Marcus Peters.

All those dudes are gone AND the Rams reloaded their roster to be better than before. Meanwhile, the 49ers have wasted more picks than they've hit by a large margin.

Yup. I member.

Are we still running it back? Back to 2017?

And they haven't done s**t, watch the Rams get knocked out of the playoffs by Tom Brady & the Bucs, then will you say this was a good move, or realize they decided to trade away 2nd & 3rd round picks for a injury prone 30+yr old EDGE rusher on his last legs, signed OBJ, only to end up losing?