Niners trade for #3 overall

I was worried for a bit as to why the announcement of Fields' & Lance's second prodays were taking so long. Now that they've both been announced...there's two things I'm taking away from this.

1.) They're definitely doing their due diligence.
2.) They've seen enough of tape of Mac to understand what he is and what he is not. If you were the 49ers, like people said there's no need to do a smoke screen. If they've settled on Mac, there's no need to even attend these prodays IMO.
3.) What'll be interesting would be to see if the Jets show up or not. I'd say that they show up to Fields' but not Lance's.

Originally posted by OneNDone:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by OneNDone:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by OneNDone:

Originally posted by 9ers4u:

Originally posted by OneNDone:

Originally posted by davide49:

Originally posted by OneNDone:
He brings up YAC yet that's precisely why they drafted guys like Debo and Aiyuk strictly for YAC ... He's actually proving himself wrong.

Huh? Ever heard of walking and chewing gum at the same time?

Whos our deep threat? Who was our deep threat last year?

TBF we didn't have a shallow threat either. Last year was sucky

That doesn't answer the question... The poster asked if I've ever "heard of walking and chewing gum". Ok if you want to chew gum(throw deep)you need a stick of gum(deep threat) in order to do it. Something we didn't have last year and have yet to persue this year. It's almost like people haven't watched Shanny and his run first, ball control, YAC offense and laughably think he's going to become some vertical offense overnight even though he's never been that guy and never will be. People are living in fantasy land.

Kyle's offense is based around YAC. Sanders just proved why Mac is the front runner. It was a terrible take from him.

Actually no it wasn't. His take was that Mac Jones benefitted from talent, that his stats were mostly from YAC vs Fields who only benefitted from 33%. If Fields were to play in a system where he was able to benefit more from YAC, similar to Jones, then his stats would be far better than they are now.

Actually it does as Kyle's offense is based on YAC. The rest is speculation while YAC are pure fact. One guy has shown that he can put the ball where it needs to be for guys like Aiyuk, Debo, and Kittle, the other has shown he hasn't been asked to.

Watch the first few minutes of the tweet above. Just because our fans don't want him because he's not mobile and exciting doesn't mean he's not a good QB. He fits exactly what Shanny likes in guys like Jimmy, Kirk, Nick, Sudfield, Hoyer and every SINGLE other QB he's brought in. Every single one.

Im not sure how you aren't getting this. Go watch Mac Jones highlights. Just the highlights, not actual game footage, and you will see a few reoccurring themes. A: he has ALL freaking day to throw on most of those highlights B: his WR's have LOTS of room between them and their opponent. When WR's have LOTS of room between them and their less talented opponent it makes it easy to accumulate YAC stats which is why the YAC is a detriment to Jones in that comparison. In other words it's easy to hit WIDE open WR's who run for all kinds of yards/td's. Understanding yet?

It's called scheming. Something Kyle(and Sarkisian) does an absolute fantastic job of doing. Now put in a QB that is mobile and may or may not use his legs and unscheme Kyle's offense. Kyle is no longer in control thus his offense isn't being ran the way he wants it to. His offense, the offense that runs and gets the ball into playmakers hands for YAC.

It makes absolute perfect sense why he likes a guy that has shown he can put the ball where it needs for his playmakers, the guys he drafted STRICTLY for YAC, to get those yards.

I hate being a jerk but I swear our fans don't actually pay attention to what Kyle likes to do. If he wanted a mobile QB he would've gotten one but instead who does he get? Sudfield, Nick Mullens, Jimmy, f**king Cousins, he supposedly made a play for Stafford. Quit hating me for pointing out common sense. There's a legit reason all the rumors and even Vegas are calling Mac to the 49ers. Don't blame me, I'm just pointing out the obvious reasons. Very obvious reasons.

I actually want other guys but I'm not Shanahan, I simply understand why he would like Mac. I don't let my feeling get in the way. I want to be wrong

You are.

"I also know that Kyle Shanahan and John have not told people in their organization. There are only a couple of people who actually know and they are not saying".

#noleakzone.

Originally posted by OneNDone:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by OneNDone:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by OneNDone:

Originally posted by 9ers4u:

Originally posted by OneNDone:

Originally posted by davide49:

Originally posted by OneNDone:
He brings up YAC yet that's precisely why they drafted guys like Debo and Aiyuk strictly for YAC ... He's actually proving himself wrong.

Huh? Ever heard of walking and chewing gum at the same time?

Whos our deep threat? Who was our deep threat last year?

TBF we didn't have a shallow threat either. Last year was sucky

That doesn't answer the question... The poster asked if I've ever "heard of walking and chewing gum". Ok if you want to chew gum(throw deep)you need a stick of gum(deep threat) in order to do it. Something we didn't have last year and have yet to persue this year. It's almost like people haven't watched Shanny and his run first, ball control, YAC offense and laughably think he's going to become some vertical offense overnight even though he's never been that guy and never will be. People are living in fantasy land.

Kyle's offense is based around YAC. Sanders just proved why Mac is the front runner. It was a terrible take from him.

Actually no it wasn't. His take was that Mac Jones benefitted from talent, that his stats were mostly from YAC vs Fields who only benefitted from 33%. If Fields were to play in a system where he was able to benefit more from YAC, similar to Jones, then his stats would be far better than they are now.

Actually it does as Kyle's offense is based on YAC. The rest is speculation while YAC are pure fact. One guy has shown that he can put the ball where it needs to be for guys like Aiyuk, Debo, and Kittle, the other has shown he hasn't been asked to.

Watch the first few minutes of the tweet above. Just because our fans don't want him because he's not mobile and exciting doesn't mean he's not a good QB. He fits exactly what Shanny likes in guys like Jimmy, Kirk, Nick, Sudfield, Hoyer and every SINGLE other QB he's brought in. Every single one.

Im not sure how you aren't getting this. Go watch Mac Jones highlights. Just the highlights, not actual game footage, and you will see a few reoccurring themes. A: he has ALL freaking day to throw on most of those highlights B: his WR's have LOTS of room between them and their opponent. When WR's have LOTS of room between them and their less talented opponent it makes it easy to accumulate YAC stats which is why the YAC is a detriment to Jones in that comparison. In other words it's easy to hit WIDE open WR's who run for all kinds of yards/td's. Understanding yet?

It's called scheming. Something Kyle(and Sarkisian) does an absolute fantastic job of doing. Now put in a QB that is mobile and may or may not use his legs and unscheme Kyle's offense. Kyle is no longer in control thus his offense isn't being ran the way he wants it to. His offense, the offense that runs and gets the ball into playmakers hands for YAC.

It makes absolute perfect sense why he likes a guy that has shown he can put the ball where it needs for his playmakers, the guys he drafted STRICTLY for YAC, to get those yards.

I hate being a jerk but I swear our fans don't actually pay attention to what Kyle likes to do. If he wanted a mobile QB he would've gotten one but instead who does he get? Sudfield, Nick Mullens, Jimmy, f**king Cousins, he supposedly made a play for Stafford. Quit hating me for pointing out common sense. There's a legit reason all the rumors and even Vegas are calling Mac to the 49ers. Don't blame me, I'm just pointing out the obvious reasons. Very obvious reasons.

I actually want other guys but I'm not Shanahan, I simply understand why he would like Mac. I don't let my feeling get in the way. I want to be wrong

Well said and hard to argue. I hope his mindset had changed and would go with a Fields or Lance. But it's not hard to see him taking Jones for the reasons you laid out.

Is he kirk cousins plus?

Hahahahahaha

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by roasthawg:
Yeah a hundred percent. I'm not talking about who the pick is, just that drafting a qb with a first round pick as opposed to any other position is a major financial gain for the team which is essentially the equivalent of a free first round pick. It's the reason we see these high draft picks fetching such a premium. I'm waiting for the team that drafts a successful qb and then trades him for picks rather than resigning him to a $50m deal and tries to do it all over again.

But the cost savings applies to a rookie QB drafted in any round. Mond/Trask/Mills in the second makes just as much sense as Jones in the first IMO.

Yeah but with a first round pick you're assuming you are drafting a starter. That's the difference. You can't get talent level like Lawerence/Fields in the later rounds. Conceivably a team like Baltimore could bounce from a Lamar Jackson to a Justin Fields and so on. Keep trading that star qb the year before he hits free agency for multiple first round picks. If you build an offense around the athletic prototype qb that is dominating college football recently and you feel like your ability to evaluate and coach up the position is a strong point then that could be a way to sustain a super bowl contender year in year out. When you hit on a qb like Lamar you get three or four years of mvp level play and then an insane draft pick haul in return when it's time for him to get paid. All the while you're never paying your qb more than $6m while the chiefs and the cowboys etc are paying $50m. In a salary cap league this is a viable strategy imo. It would take major guts to move on from a young star qb but man I would hate to be these teams with $50m tied up in a qb that ever got hurt or regressed for whatever reason. Mahomes is amazing but we'll see how his career arc looks with diminishing talent on that roster. It hasn't been all roses for Russ Wilson so far.

Originally posted by TheGoldenNugget:

All eyes are on the #49ers and the 3rd overall pick in the #NFLDraft... so we asked @RapSheet what he's heard and if John Lynch ever picked up the phone and called the #NYJets to inquire about #2? pic.twitter.com/4qAlpOx3fn

— Rich Eisen Show (@RichEisenShow) April 9, 2021

"I also know that Kyle Shanahan and John have not told people in their organization. There are only a couple of people who actually know and they are not saying".

#noleakzone.

Yes, one of them is Mike Shanahan, because he is the one pulling the strings on this.

Kyle: Dad, who do you love?
Mike: Mac Jones
Kyle: Mac Jones, it is.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by TheGoldenNugget:

All eyes are on the #49ers and the 3rd overall pick in the #NFLDraft... so we asked @RapSheet what he's heard and if John Lynch ever picked up the phone and called the #NYJets to inquire about #2? pic.twitter.com/4qAlpOx3fn

— Rich Eisen Show (@RichEisenShow) April 9, 2021

"I also know that Kyle Shanahan and John have not told people in their organization. There are only a couple of people who actually know and they are not saying".

#noleakzone.

Yes, one of them is Mike Shanahan, because he is the one pulling the strings on this.

Kyle: Dad, who do you love?
Mike: Mac Jones
Kyle: Mac Jones, it is.

Have you seen Mike Shanahan's interview about RG3? I mean, he actually liked RG3, but RG3 was too damn stubborn to listen.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by OneNDone:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by OneNDone:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by OneNDone:

Originally posted by 9ers4u:

Originally posted by OneNDone:

Originally posted by davide49:

Originally posted by OneNDone:
He brings up YAC yet that's precisely why they drafted guys like Debo and Aiyuk strictly for YAC ... He's actually proving himself wrong.

Huh? Ever heard of walking and chewing gum at the same time?

Whos our deep threat? Who was our deep threat last year?

TBF we didn't have a shallow threat either. Last year was sucky

That doesn't answer the question... The poster asked if I've ever "heard of walking and chewing gum". Ok if you want to chew gum(throw deep)you need a stick of gum(deep threat) in order to do it. Something we didn't have last year and have yet to persue this year. It's almost like people haven't watched Shanny and his run first, ball control, YAC offense and laughably think he's going to become some vertical offense overnight even though he's never been that guy and never will be. People are living in fantasy land.

Kyle's offense is based around YAC. Sanders just proved why Mac is the front runner. It was a terrible take from him.

Actually no it wasn't. His take was that Mac Jones benefitted from talent, that his stats were mostly from YAC vs Fields who only benefitted from 33%. If Fields were to play in a system where he was able to benefit more from YAC, similar to Jones, then his stats would be far better than they are now.

Actually it does as Kyle's offense is based on YAC. The rest is speculation while YAC are pure fact. One guy has shown that he can put the ball where it needs to be for guys like Aiyuk, Debo, and Kittle, the other has shown he hasn't been asked to.

Watch the first few minutes of the tweet above. Just because our fans don't want him because he's not mobile and exciting doesn't mean he's not a good QB. He fits exactly what Shanny likes in guys like Jimmy, Kirk, Nick, Sudfield, Hoyer and every SINGLE other QB he's brought in. Every single one.

Im not sure how you aren't getting this. Go watch Mac Jones highlights. Just the highlights, not actual game footage, and you will see a few reoccurring themes. A: he has ALL freaking day to throw on most of those highlights B: his WR's have LOTS of room between them and their opponent. When WR's have LOTS of room between them and their less talented opponent it makes it easy to accumulate YAC stats which is why the YAC is a detriment to Jones in that comparison. In other words it's easy to hit WIDE open WR's who run for all kinds of yards/td's. Understanding yet?

It's called scheming. Something Kyle(and Sarkisian) does an absolute fantastic job of doing. Now put in a QB that is mobile and may or may not use his legs and unscheme Kyle's offense. Kyle is no longer in control thus his offense isn't being ran the way he wants it to. His offense, the offense that runs and gets the ball into playmakers hands for YAC.

It makes absolute perfect sense why he likes a guy that has shown he can put the ball where it needs for his playmakers, the guys he drafted STRICTLY for YAC, to get those yards.

I hate being a jerk but I swear our fans don't actually pay attention to what Kyle likes to do. If he wanted a mobile QB he would've gotten one but instead who does he get? Sudfield, Nick Mullens, Jimmy, f**king Cousins, he supposedly made a play for Stafford. Quit hating me for pointing out common sense. There's a legit reason all the rumors and even Vegas are calling Mac to the 49ers. Don't blame me, I'm just pointing out the obvious reasons. Very obvious reasons.

I actually want other guys but I'm not Shanahan, I simply understand why he would like Mac. I don't let my feeling get in the way. I want to be wrong

Well said and hard to argue. I hope his mindset had changed and would go with a Fields or Lance. But it's not hard to see him taking Jones for the reasons you laid out.

I've gone back and forth on this and it's what's so fun about the buildup to this draft for me. I still see a path to drafting any of the three guys but as of right now if I'm guessing I'm saying it's Fields. The Mac Jones thing just doesn't make any sense aside from the smoke. I've watched enough scouting breakdowns at this point from guys like Simms and JTO to know that Jones has just as much question marks as the other guys without the athletic ability. Simms is in on him as an accurate passer and fast processor a la Manning/Brady/Brees etc. But no one else seems to be. And watching breakdown of his games with coaches film from JTO you can see examples of him going thru progressions quickly. But there are also plenty of examples of him making slightly inaccurate throws and maybe missing a read. Same as the other two guys without the ability to move at a high level. So as of right now I'm not buying it. What does make sense then is that the Niners value one of these other two guys way more than Zack Wilson which is leading them to keep the pick close to the vest and attend all these pro days so as not to tip their hand. In all likelihood the Jets are locked in on Wilson but there's always a possibility they pretend to sour or actually do a little bit and figure out who the niners guy is and threaten to draft him instead unless the Niners throw in some picks to move up a spot.

So that's where my detective work has gotten me. Fields fits the description at #3 the best to me so that's my guess. I think Kyle wants that type of player. It will help open up the run game even more. We'll see soon enough.

Shanahan explained on Monday the simple reality that, given his team's move up to No. 3, they no longer had to be coy about where they go or who they look at or what they do that could cause someone else to figure out what they're thinking.

"I have been kind of grown up in the idea that you don't like to go everywhere and show people things," Shanahan told reporters on Monday. "When you're sitting at [No.] 12, I don't want to go to a bunch of quarterback Pro Days. . . . Now that you move up to three, you don't have to hide as much. It's not as big of a deal to me as it might've been when we were sitting at 12."

Shanahan literally grew up in that mindset. In 2006, his father, Mike, showed Kyle and everyone else how to properly go about playing the pre-draft game.

That year, the Broncos traded from No. 15 to No. 11 (with the Rams) while the pick was on the clock. Mike Shanahan, then the head coach in Denver, took quarterback Jay Cutler.

The Broncos had done nothing to indicate any interest in Cutler. They didn't interview him at the Scouting Combine. They didn't go to his Pro Day. They didn't meet with him anywhere. They didn't call him.

"The first time I talked to him was after they picked me," Cutler said.

At the time, Kyle was entering his third year as an NFL assistant coach, working for Mike Shanahan's longtime lieutenant, Gary Kubiak, in Houston. Kyle's approach to pre-draft words and deeds surely was shaped by the Cutler situation, where Mike gathered his information and made his decision without ever creating a trail of breadcrumbs that led from Denver to Vanderbilt.

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Which guy is he totally ignoring?

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
Shanahan explained on Monday the simple reality that, given his team's move up to No. 3, they no longer had to be coy about where they go or who they look at or what they do that could cause someone else to figure out what they're thinking.

"I have been kind of grown up in the idea that you don't like to go everywhere and show people things," Shanahan told reporters on Monday. "When you're sitting at [No.] 12, I don't want to go to a bunch of quarterback Pro Days. . . . Now that you move up to three, you don't have to hide as much. It's not as big of a deal to me as it might've been when we were sitting at 12."

Shanahan literally grew up in that mindset. In 2006, his father, Mike, showed Kyle and everyone else how to properly go about playing the pre-draft game.

That year, the Broncos traded from No. 15 to No. 11 (with the Rams) while the pick was on the clock. Mike Shanahan, then the head coach in Denver, took quarterback Jay Cutler.

The Broncos had done nothing to indicate any interest in Cutler. They didn't interview him at the Scouting Combine. They didn't go to his Pro Day. They didn't meet with him anywhere. They didn't call him.

"The first time I talked to him was after they picked me," Cutler said.

At the time, Kyle was entering his third year as an NFL assistant coach, working for Mike Shanahan's longtime lieutenant, Gary Kubiak, in Houston. Kyle's approach to pre-draft words and deeds surely was shaped by the Cutler situation, where Mike gathered his information and made his decision without ever creating a trail of breadcrumbs that led from Denver to Vanderbilt.

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Which guy is he totally ignoring?

Hes not totally ignoring anyone because he doesn't have to. Pick 11 is a spot where you have to keep it quiet. At 3 he can go to pro days and look at everyone up close because everyone already knows they are taking a QB.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
Shanahan explained on Monday the simple reality that, given his team's move up to No. 3, they no longer had to be coy about where they go or who they look at or what they do that could cause someone else to figure out what they're thinking.

"I have been kind of grown up in the idea that you don't like to go everywhere and show people things," Shanahan told reporters on Monday. "When you're sitting at [No.] 12, I don't want to go to a bunch of quarterback Pro Days. . . . Now that you move up to three, you don't have to hide as much. It's not as big of a deal to me as it might've been when we were sitting at 12."

Shanahan literally grew up in that mindset. In 2006, his father, Mike, showed Kyle and everyone else how to properly go about playing the pre-draft game.

That year, the Broncos traded from No. 15 to No. 11 (with the Rams) while the pick was on the clock. Mike Shanahan, then the head coach in Denver, took quarterback Jay Cutler.

The Broncos had done nothing to indicate any interest in Cutler. They didn't interview him at the Scouting Combine. They didn't go to his Pro Day. They didn't meet with him anywhere. They didn't call him.

"The first time I talked to him was after they picked me," Cutler said.

At the time, Kyle was entering his third year as an NFL assistant coach, working for Mike Shanahan's longtime lieutenant, Gary Kubiak, in Houston. Kyle's approach to pre-draft words and deeds surely was shaped by the Cutler situation, where Mike gathered his information and made his decision without ever creating a trail of breadcrumbs that led from Denver to Vanderbilt.

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Which guy is he totally ignoring?

Hes not totally ignoring anyone because he doesn't have to. Pick 11 is a spot where you have to keep it quiet. At 3 he can go to pro days and look at everyone up close because everyone already knows they are taking a QB.

All he's doing is telegraphing that the pick is gonna be a qb.... which everyone already knows. Impossible to fool the league on that count. By doing diligence on all three you can effectively block anyone from knowing which one of the three you are going to draft.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
Shanahan explained on Monday the simple reality that, given his team's move up to No. 3, they no longer had to be coy about where they go or who they look at or what they do that could cause someone else to figure out what they're thinking.

"I have been kind of grown up in the idea that you don't like to go everywhere and show people things," Shanahan told reporters on Monday. "When you're sitting at [No.] 12, I don't want to go to a bunch of quarterback Pro Days. . . . Now that you move up to three, you don't have to hide as much. It's not as big of a deal to me as it might've been when we were sitting at 12."

Shanahan literally grew up in that mindset. In 2006, his father, Mike, showed Kyle and everyone else how to properly go about playing the pre-draft game.

That year, the Broncos traded from No. 15 to No. 11 (with the Rams) while the pick was on the clock. Mike Shanahan, then the head coach in Denver, took quarterback Jay Cutler.

The Broncos had done nothing to indicate any interest in Cutler. They didn't interview him at the Scouting Combine. They didn't go to his Pro Day. They didn't meet with him anywhere. They didn't call him.

"The first time I talked to him was after they picked me," Cutler said.

At the time, Kyle was entering his third year as an NFL assistant coach, working for Mike Shanahan's longtime lieutenant, Gary Kubiak, in Houston. Kyle's approach to pre-draft words and deeds surely was shaped by the Cutler situation, where Mike gathered his information and made his decision without ever creating a trail of breadcrumbs that led from Denver to Vanderbilt.

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Which guy is he totally ignoring?

Hes not totally ignoring anyone because he doesn't have to. Pick 11 is a spot where you have to keep it quiet. At 3 he can go to pro days and look at everyone up close because everyone already knows they are taking a QB.

You would expect them to not to show their hands before Mar 26, when they made the trade. Ans as expected, Shanahan did not attend Lance and Jones first pro days before the trade.

Mar 12 - Lance first pro day - Shanahan did not attend
Mar 23 - Jones first pro day - Shanahan did not attend

Mar 30 - Jones second pro day - Shanahan attended
Mar 30 - Fields first pro day - Shanahan did not attend
April 14 - Fields second pro day - Shanahan expected to attend
April 19 - Lance second pro day - Shanahan expected to attend

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He goes to Mac's second pro day rather than Fields, because this was already the last opportunity to for the Alabama pro days. Fields agent had already contacted him prior about a second pro day.

So what do we gather from this? Absolutely nothing.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Jones now -305 odds on Draft Kings.

Fields +250
Lance +500

On Sports Interaction...I like those odds, I am very unconvinced we're taking Jones. 100 units on Fields and 50 units on Lance and I win 100 units unless they pick Jones?

Originally posted by Digger:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Jones now -305 odds on Draft Kings.

Fields +250
Lance +500

On Sports Interaction...I like those odds, I am very unconvinced we're taking Jones. 100 units on Fields and 50 units on Lance and I win 100 units unless they pick Jones?

Anyone know a site you can bet on in Cali? I'll throw a couple hundred down on Fields at those odds.