SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS vs PHILADELPHIA EAGLES - 2020 Game 4

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
We've also seen Jimmy take sacks when he's pressured and Philly brought pressure last night. Yes his release is quick but there still has to be someone open. If they don't get open right away it makes it tough for guys like JG and Nick who aren't mobile.

Jimmy's our guy but damn I watch QBs for other teams extend plays so they can hit an open receiver or run for 1st downs when they look trapped every game I watch. Look how often Wentz, who looked horrible passing, ran for yardage yesterday when it looked like he would be sacked. Our QBs just can't do that.

agreed

quick release is a good attribute, but means nothing if guys aren't getting open ASAP... It's not really some huge special quality in regards to "arm talent" IMO. Yeah I mean over half the league has QBs that can at the very least "protect" themselves by being mobile enough and extend plays. The days of the straight up pocket QB are coming to an end imo. Unless you invest in the best OL in football, which SF has not.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
Well Jimmy's arm talent (just comparing with Mullens) would have helped with last night immensely in terms of his release time. and he's better at reading the defense than Mullens or anybody else we have as well. so yes, i can imagine those things because i've literally seen all that with Jimmy and Shanahan lol

I mean that's not saying much I'm talking legit arm talent and the ability to move around inside/outside of the pocket, all while still looking downfield. IF you're not gonna build the best OL known to man then you should look at some other things in regards to your QB.

All this doesn't really matter if they can't start running the ball. This scheme requires it. We can't ask Jimmy/Mullens or whomever is the QB on the current roster to take a bunch of drop backs and let routes develop. They will get killed. Play-action/motion/being ahead of the chains are major contributors to improved pass-pro. Currently it's not happening on the ground and it messes everything up.

compared to Mullens? it is saying much considering how long it took Mullens to get the ball out on dump of screens last night. it is. the entire game compared with Jimmy is saying a lot based off the outcome and the mistakes Mullens made to go with it. and yeah, the line was going to have a tough test no matter what last night but Trent did not have a good game at all by his standards nevertheless. and McGlinchey continues to make me face palm.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
We've also seen Jimmy take sacks when he's pressured and Philly brought pressure last night. Yes his release is quick but there still has to be someone open. If they don't get open right away it makes it tough for guys like JG and Nick who aren't mobile.

Jimmy's our guy but damn I watch QBs for other teams extend plays so they can hit an open receiver or run for 1st downs when they look trapped every game I watch. Look how often Wentz, who looked horrible passing, ran for yardage yesterday when it looked like he would be sacked. Our QBs just can't do that.

agreed

quick release is a good attribute, but means nothing if guys aren't getting open ASAP... It's not really some huge special quality in regards to "arm talent" IMO. Yeah I mean over half the league has QBs that can at the very least "protect" themselves by being mobile enough and extend plays. The days of the straight up pocket QB are coming to an end imo. Unless you invest in the best OL in football, which SF has not.

im reffering to screens we ran that didnt work because Mullens didnt get it out quick enough. and Jimmy has one of the fastest releases in the league.

Beathard could've walked in the 2pt conversion.

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:
Beathard could've walked in the 2pt conversion.

I'm not sure why he didn't see the 10 ft wide walking lane on that play..

This was similar to the ATL game last year after 2 road game wins. None of the cylinders were working properly. Then we came out firing on all cylinders for the next couple of weeks. Hope that's the case.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:
Beathard could've walked in the 2pt conversion.

I'm not sure why he didn't see the 10 ft wide walking lane on that play..

He would have had to bowl over #34 who I think is a CB. I think CJ would have fallen forward into the end zone. Ugh, another play that could have changed the outcome of the game.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
agreed

quick release is a good attribute, but means nothing if guys aren't getting open ASAP... It's not really some huge special quality in regards to "arm talent" IMO. Yeah I mean over half the league has QBs that can at the very least "protect" themselves by being mobile enough and extend plays. The days of the straight up pocket QB are coming to an end imo. Unless you invest in the best OL in football, which SF has not.

No question the game is changing. I'm amazed at how many mobile QBs there are now that can still deliver the ball downfield. They don't need to be Kyler Murray or Jackson but being able to keep a play alive like so many guys can now is a real plus in this era of linemen that can't pass block. Watch college football and you rarely see the pocket QB anymore. The NFL used to try and re-train them but now they're using those attributes to their advantage. The game favors the offense so much now that you need to be able to score from any place on the field.

It's more than just running from the pass rush. I heard Greg Cosell mention that what makes Wilson and Mahomes so great is their ability to see the rush, roll away from it and still keep their eyes focused downfield. It's actually one of the things that made Montana great. He was't a burner but he could avoid the rush and still find that open receiver. The great ones have that uncanny ability.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
That game illustrated how any QB in the league can look good under the right circumstances. Eagles in a soft defense because of that 2 point conversion allowed CJ to move right down the field. It also showed Nick's limitations. If he can't get rid of the ball to the 1st or 2nd read he's dead. He absolutely is a statue back there. Two INTs and a lost fumble were the difference in a game that the Niners should have won.

The O line was manhandled for much of the game. The Eagles have a lot of injuries but their D line is really solid. They also have depth that can keep their guys fresh. I'm not sure Jimmy would have handled that pressure better but he is a little better at rolling away from the rush.

Yeah if the running game is humming, Nick is good to go. he's a system QB and knows the scheme. When something breaks down and he's got to hold onto the ball for any length of time it's a s**t show.

His arm strength is subpar and he just can't extend plays. He's a backup for a reason. OL was trash but Mullens lost us that game.

Can you imagine if we had a QB with top end arm talent, who could actually extend plays (and was smart enough to understand the offense/ read defenses), add in Kyle

Love Jimmy and he's QB1 in SF no doubt. I think we could do better though.

Well Jimmy's arm talent (just comparing with Mullens) would have helped with last night immensely in terms of his release time. and he's better at reading the defense than Mullens or anybody else we have as well. so yes, i can imagine those things because i've literally seen all that with Jimmy and Shanahan lol

Cmon Sky. We absolutely have not seen all that with Jimmy. Because he doesnt have top end arm talent nor does he have great ability to extend pays.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
That game illustrated how any QB in the league can look good under the right circumstances. Eagles in a soft defense because of that 2 point conversion allowed CJ to move right down the field. It also showed Nick's limitations. If he can't get rid of the ball to the 1st or 2nd read he's dead. He absolutely is a statue back there. Two INTs and a lost fumble were the difference in a game that the Niners should have won.

The O line was manhandled for much of the game. The Eagles have a lot of injuries but their D line is really solid. They also have depth that can keep their guys fresh. I'm not sure Jimmy would have handled that pressure better but he is a little better at rolling away from the rush.

Yeah if the running game is humming, Nick is good to go. he's a system QB and knows the scheme. When something breaks down and he's got to hold onto the ball for any length of time it's a s**t show.

His arm strength is subpar and he just can't extend plays. He's a backup for a reason. OL was trash but Mullens lost us that game.

Can you imagine if we had a QB with top end arm talent, who could actually extend plays (and was smart enough to understand the offense/ read defenses), add in Kyle

Love Jimmy and he's QB1 in SF no doubt. I think we could do better though.

Well Jimmy's arm talent (just comparing with Mullens) would have helped with last night immensely in terms of his release time. and he's better at reading the defense than Mullens or anybody else we have as well. so yes, i can imagine those things because i've literally seen all that with Jimmy and Shanahan lol

Cmon Sky. We absolutely have not seen all that with Jimmy. Because he doesnt have top end arm talent nor does he have great ability to extend pays.

no i mean we've seen Jimmy do those things. not saying he is that type of quarterback or known for it.

Last night's game really highlighted how much we miss the edge pressure from Bosa and Ford. The line kept getting pressure up the middle but Wentz consistently rolled away from it. I think if we had a healthy Bosa and Ford last night that we would have had at least 6 sacks.

Rewatching the game....can someone tell me what the play was supposed to be on the sack of Mullins in the 2nd quarter at 13:03? Looks like OL are thinking screen yet I can't see who the ball was supposed to go to....McKinnon acts like he's "done" after the fake? Or was it a "F*** it, Mullins just got sacked so I'm going to half a$$ it" type of effort?

Originally posted by VA9erfan:
Rewatching the game....can someone tell me what the play was supposed to be on the sack of Mullins in the 2nd quarter at 13:03? Looks like OL are thinking screen yet I can't see who the ball was supposed to go to....McKinnon acts like he's "done" after the fake? Or was it a "F*** it, Mullins just got sacked so I'm going to half a$$ it" type of effort?

My best guess is Tomlinson got beat and Garland is in his own world executing some other play. I think it's supposed to be one of those playaction then hit the quick slant (double Slants being run at the top of the screen).

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

That game illustrated how any QB in the league can look good under the right circumstances. Eagles in a soft defense because of that 2 point conversion allowed CJ to move right down the field. It also showed Nick's limitations. If he can't get rid of the ball to the 1st or 2nd read he's dead. He absolutely is a statue back there. Two INTs and a lost fumble were the difference in a game that the Niners should have won.

The O line was manhandled for much of the game. The Eagles have a lot of injuries but their D line is really solid. They also have depth that can keep their guys fresh. I'm not sure Jimmy would have handled that pressure better but he is a little better at rolling away from the rush.

Yeah if the running game is humming, Nick is good to go. he's a system QB and knows the scheme. When something breaks down and he's got to hold onto the ball for any length of time it's a s**t show.

His arm strength is subpar and he just can't extend plays. He's a backup for a reason. OL was trash but Mullens lost us that game.

Can you imagine if we had a QB with top end arm talent, who could actually extend plays (and was smart enough to understand the offense/ read defenses), add in Kyle

Love Jimmy and he's QB1 in SF no doubt. I think we could do better though.

We had a chance at a QB with arm talent but went with Solomon Thomas. Did trade up for beathard tho. Shanny knows his QBs!!

Most of last season went well for this team. They had a favorable early schedule and took advantage of it to build momentum. Jimmy stayed healthy all year. Bosa gave the defense a jump charge that lasted all year. Deebo emerged as a big threat with his YAC ability. Yes they had some injuries but for the most part they were to depth players and not key players.

Now they're playing without a lot of starters and Bosa out for the season. Even though I understand why they let Buckner go, they definitely could use him now with all the D line injuries. The division is also playing better this season which will make it really hard to reach the playoffs if they fall any farther behind.