2020 49ers Training Camp Thread

Originally posted by mayo49:
12 days

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think the NFL should try to slog through it. I remember 1982 and the strike shortened season and every team played with walk ons from the street, due to all the signed players refusing to play. One reason is simply to keep fighting and not let this virus win and defeat what little is left of normality. The other is simply to salvage a lost season with *some* kind of cash flow coming in. I see Restaurants and Barber Shops risking it to keep their businesses alive, and I think that's a good reason for the NFL to keep it's business model relevant and alive. Yes there are valid medical reasons *not* to have a season, but I think the risks are manageable and the virus will do what it will l do, NFL season or no NFL season. You will still have the spread of the virus to players and coaches whether or not the games are played. Might as well play the game.

Can't compare restaurants and barber shops to the NFL. Those businesses usually operate on a very slim margin by average people. NFL teams are owned by billionaires who won't miss a beat if there is no season. Most of the players should be okay too. They're still going to try and play. It's just a matter of whether they will be able to continue and put a decent product on the field.

The NFL is a business. They have a lot of expenses as well as assets, of course. A dollar loss hit to them isn't the same as a dollar loss hit is to a barber or salon owner, I agree, but it's still a business. The reason somebody gets into a business is because of *who* they are, not what they do. What they *do* is an employee mindset. *Who* they are is more of a business mindset. In other words, a football player plays football, a steve jobs makes computer things, a five-guys business owner does burgers. The NFL plays football games, it's who they are, and unless the virus really deals the NFL a big blow, I think the season should go forward. I think there is enough science and mitigation to enable it to go forward without as many unknown risks as when this thing started back early in the year. Yes there are medical risks and good reasons to not have a season, but you know what, life does go on. You can't let fear stop you from living life, having an NFL season, and going to work to earn a living.

Listening to Matt Maiocco, it doesn't sound like we'll get much of anything for coverage going forward. Bummer. No 1on1 Cohn videos, no notes from all the regular resources, etc. It will be very limited in attendance, mostly Zoom interviews and all will be writing off of the few were are given access in rotation. In short, get ready for limited and repeated info.

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Yeah I kind of agree. If they are not willing to open everything back up, no reason to open up sports.

I'm on the side of opening everything up and take our chances, but its not up to me.

Maybe they can just setup Madden games against each other.

I'm on the side of opening up. I think it's doable. Modify the helmet to allow for masks, and have hydrocloroquinic ready to go on every team, and so on. I'm betting Mayo and Danada are right.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Listening to Matt Maiocco, it doesn't sound like we'll get much of anything for coverage going forward. Bummer. No 1on1 Cohn videos, no notes from all the regular resources, etc. It will be very limited in attendance, mostly Zoom interviews and all will be writing off of the few were are given access in rotation. In short, get ready for limited and repeated info.

Looks like I'm going to have to get a twitter account like you.

Originally posted by mayo49:
12 days

woooooooooooooooo

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Listening to Matt Maiocco, it doesn't sound like we'll get much of anything for coverage going forward. Bummer. No 1on1 Cohn videos, no notes from all the regular resources, etc. It will be very limited in attendance, mostly Zoom interviews and all will be writing off of the few were are given access in rotation. In short, get ready for limited and repeated info.

Looks like I'm going to have to get a twitter account like you.

Twitter (whole 49ers community) and podcasts and Instagram for following specific players like Bourne who give you more insight than anyone. Or just the WZ where everything ends up eventually.

On those long term issues we were talking about.

One Sure Sign You've Already Had Coronavirus, Says Dr. Fauci

The idea that COVID-19 is just a flu that passes in time was never true, we now know. So-called "long-haulers" are suffering effects of the disease months later, with no cure in sight.

"If you look anecdotally there is no question that there are a considerable number of individuals who have a post-viral syndrome that really in many respects can incapacitate them for weeks and weeks following so-called recovery and clearing of the virus," said Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, at the International AIDS Society COVID-19 press conference last week. "You can see people who've recovered who really do not get back to normal that they have things that are highly suggestive of myalgic encephalomyelitis and chronic fatigue syndrome. Brain fog, fatigue, and difficulty in concentrating so this is something we really need to seriously look at because it very well might be a post-viral syndrome associated with COVID-19." Here are 10 other symptoms that could last forever.

https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0PacS6P1?s=a99&pd=02CdEfA0

When we officially open that will be BIG STEP ONE.

Next step will be , what happens if there are covid problems. We haven't heard much if anything about what, if anything the league has done in case of a "covid issue", ie, the entire OL is out with covid, or JG plus all the WRs are out , or all DBs are out... or what ever else is possible.

We have to assume all and every eventuality has been worked out, league wide, but it would be interesting to know what happens in each of the worst case scenarios. Also, is there a situation where they have to pull the plug on the season? Surely there must be some circumstances that bring a halt to season, but NFL has been really tight lipped about all this to date.

There has to be some scenario where we continue if we have a few guys out, but there must be some kind of situation where competition no longer makes sense. Just be interesting to know what they agreed to. Kinda hard to believe they start a season and don't have any format that recognizes when competition is no longer meaningful, and then another which lays out just how much interruption by covid can be tolerated before it brings season to a halt.

Kinda hard to believe NFL is starting the season and is just doing it "by guess and by golly"...that is they are waiting to see what happens and then making a decision at that time to continue playing ...or not. Just don't see NFL playing loosey goosey like that wth no already hashed out agreement what they will do if covid just goes crazy with NFL players.

It is strange that we haven't seen word one written about this. I guess it is possible owners ,HCs are doing this and waiting to see what happens....but that just seems unlikely.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
When we officially open that will be BIG STEP ONE.

Next step will be , what happens if there are covid problems. We haven't heard much if anything about what, if anything the league has done in case of a "covid issue", ie, the entire OL is out with covid, or JG plus all the WRs are out , or all DBs are out... or what ever else is possible.

We have to assume all and every eventuality has been worked out, league wide, but it would be interesting to know what happens in each of the worst case scenarios. Also, is there a situation where they have to pull the plug on the season? Surely there must be some circumstances that bring a halt to season, but NFL has been really tight lipped about all this to date.

There has to be some scenario where we continue if we have a few guys out, but there must be some kind of situation where competition no longer makes sense. Just be interesting to know what they agreed to. Kinda hard to believe they start a season and don't have any format that recognizes when competition is no longer meaningful, and then another which lays out just how much interruption by covid can be tolerated before it brings season to a halt.

Kinda hard to believe NFL is starting the season and is just doing it "by guess and by golly"...that is they are waiting to see what happens and then making a decision at that time to continue playing ...or not. Just don't see NFL playing loosey goosey like that wth no already hashed out agreement what they will do if covid just goes crazy with NFL players.

It is strange that we haven't seen word one written about this. I guess it is possible owners ,HCs are doing this and waiting to see what happens....but that just seems unlikely.

I'm thinking they might be waiting to see what happens when the NBA and MLB start playing. Any problems that happen with those sports will likely be worse in football because of the increased contact.

My problem with sports opening up again is it won't help all the vendors and support people that really need the money since there likely won't be fans at the games. Certainly not full stadiums. The billionaire owners will get some revenue from TV and players will get some or all of their salary but the vendors and ushers are still unemployed.

Originally posted by NCommand:
On those long term issues we were talking about.

One Sure Sign You've Already Had Coronavirus, Says Dr. Fauci

The idea that COVID-19 is just a flu that passes in time was never true, we now know. So-called "long-haulers" are suffering effects of the disease months later, with no cure in sight.

"If you look anecdotally there is no question that there are a considerable number of individuals who have a post-viral syndrome that really in many respects can incapacitate them for weeks and weeks following so-called recovery and clearing of the virus," said Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, at the International AIDS Society COVID-19 press conference last week. "You can see people who've recovered who really do not get back to normal that they have things that are highly suggestive of myalgic encephalomyelitis and chronic fatigue syndrome. Brain fog, fatigue, and difficulty in concentrating so this is something we really need to seriously look at because it very well might be a post-viral syndrome associated with COVID-19." Here are 10 other symptoms that could last forever.

https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0PacS6P1?s=a99&pd=02CdEfA0

just give them some adderall and they will be good to go

Originally posted by NCommand:

The NFLPA says 72 players leaguewide were known to have tested positive for COVID-19 as of last Friday, according to information made available to players. With roughly 2,800 players currently on rosters, that represents about 2.5% of the workforce.

— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) July 16, 2020

That seems like a workable number 2.5%. But an article in WSJ that i summarized in P/L Wu Flu thread, from the State minister of Covid, Minister Nishimura, notes that their "tracers" have found that 80% of all patients that test positive never pass along the disease to others. But they also found that "super spreaders" of covid can infect all they come in contact with. Worse, a large # of patients with covid never even know they had the disease.

The Japanese, incidentally, only had a 2 month business shutdown and that was voluntary. Like the Germans they have low fatality rates and low # of patients that test positive for the disease. They have done tons of "tracing" but unlike us, are looking at the people the new cases met with BEFORE they got sick. We do it the opposite way.

Whatever, it has been very successful for the Japanese, so i guess we have to hope of that 2.5% infection rate noted above, that we don't have a bunch of "super spreaders" amongst our 2.5% of players.

Sure would be interesting to know what NFL has set as parameters to keep season going vs calling a halt due to covid. I still have yet to see one word written about this. Maybe they just don't want to worry us...unless an ultra bad scenario occurs. If that should happen, we'll probably not need the NFL to tell us ....we'll already know.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

When we officially open that will be BIG STEP ONE.

Next step will be , what happens if there are covid problems. We haven't heard much if anything about what, if anything the league has done in case of a "covid issue", ie, the entire OL is out with covid, or JG plus all the WRs are out , or all DBs are out... or what ever else is possible.

We have to assume all and every eventuality has been worked out, league wide, but it would be interesting to know what happens in each of the worst case scenarios. Also, is there a situation where they have to pull the plug on the season? Surely there must be some circumstances that bring a halt to season, but NFL has been really tight lipped about all this to date.

There has to be some scenario where we continue if we have a few guys out, but there must be some kind of situation where competition no longer makes sense. Just be interesting to know what they agreed to. Kinda hard to believe they start a season and don't have any format that recognizes when competition is no longer meaningful, and then another which lays out just how much interruption by covid can be tolerated before it brings season to a halt.

Kinda hard to believe NFL is starting the season and is just doing it "by guess and by golly"...that is they are waiting to see what happens and then making a decision at that time to continue playing ...or not. Just don't see NFL playing loosey goosey like that wth no already hashed out agreement what they will do if covid just goes crazy with NFL players.

It is strange that we haven't seen word one written about this. I guess it is possible owners ,HCs are doing this and waiting to see what happens....but that just seems unlikely.

I'm thinking they might be waiting to see what happens when the NBA and MLB start playing. Any problems that happen with those sports will likely be worse in football because of the increased contact.

My problem with sports opening up again is it won't help all the vendors and support people that really need the money since there likely won't be fans at the games. Certainly not full stadiums. The billionaire owners will get some revenue from TV and players will get some or all of their salary but the vendors and ushers are still unemployed.

Interesting take, and surprise , surprise, the big dogs eat ...and the vendors and support people don't really see any light at the end of the tunnel....unless it's the train.

You may very well be right, esp in FLA where the NBA has moved everything( games, players, families, the whole enchilada)...inside a closed off area in Disneyworld....no i'm Not joking. It's true. Thing is when this was set up 2-3 mos ago, in an attempt to salvage the NBA Season, FLA was the best place in US to get away from covid....now? Oooops!. So , yes, the NBA in particular , will be worth watching. Due to their centralization, however, it won't necessarily be the same result we get in the NFL.

Empty stadiums, however, are definitely a fait acompli. Due to state laws (eg CA, NY), no large functions are permitted until end of Sept ...still haven't heard if an empty football stadium with only two opposing teams in it, is a large function...or not. If so then CA and NY teams may be playing games in neutral stadiums of states where there are no laws forbidding NFL games in empty stadia.

Man, this just gets weirder and weirder.

Seasons sometime run together in our memory but this is one that everyone will remember. Let's hope it's only this one. I wonder what the odds are in Vegas for a vaccine being approved, manufactured and available in large quantities within the next 6-12 months.