"3rd and Jauan" Jennings l WR Tennessee

Originally posted by raywm3:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Honestly, Jennings is the 2nd best WR on the team behind Pearsall. I say they give him a little bit of a raise and not overpay. If not trade him if something can't be done.

Fair point

He's way better than Pearsall, it's not even close.

Yeah, not sure about this statement. Two different types of receivers tho

It comes down to you can't reward players for holding in.

The 49ers made a mistake by signing the BA contract before last season and are intent on not making the same mistake with JJ.

Sadly, a couple of dollars more that JJ probably deserves is tied up in BA's contract. But after holding in? No, you can't reward that.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
He's way better than Pearsall, it's not even close.

I don't know whether this impass is about the money, the guarantee or the length of the contract. Maybe it's just about ego.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Honestly, Jennings is the 2nd best WR on the team behind Pearsall. I say they give him a little bit of a raise and not overpay. If not trade him if something can't be done.

Fair point

He's way better than Pearsall, it's not even close.

Disagree (and I like JJ).

Yeah, I think Pearsall may very well better than JJ already, even if us fans haven't seen it yet. Reports out of camp sounded a lot like they did two years ago with BA, when BA was dominating. Pearsall has the skills to be a go-to guy, something that JJ lacks. Either way, if Pearsall isn't better yet, he probably will be at some point this season, especially if Purdy continues to build rapport with the player that's here and practicing. JJ is not doing himself, or his future contract, any favors by letting Pearsall develop with Purdy.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Honestly, Jennings is the 2nd best WR on the team behind Pearsall. I say they give him a little bit of a raise and not overpay. If not trade him if something can't be done.

Fair point

He's way better than Pearsall, it's not even close.

Disagree (and I like JJ).

Yeah, I think Pearsall may very well better than JJ already, even if us fans haven't seen it yet. Reports out of camp sounded a lot like they did two years ago with BA, when BA was dominating. Pearsall has the skills to be a go-to guy, something that JJ lacks. Either way, if Pearsall isn't better yet, he probably will be at some point this season, especially if Purdy continues to build rapport with the player that's here and practicing. JJ is not doing himself, or his future contract, any favors by letting Pearsall develop with Purdy.

Nothing wrong with Jennings but he's not a prime receiver. He is very good at getting open on short routes and getting the first down. He's not going to get a lot of YAC. He's not a deep threat. He's a situational receiver that apparantly wants to be paid based on what he did last year when WR position was depleted.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Honestly, Jennings is the 2nd best WR on the team behind Pearsall. I say they give him a little bit of a raise and not overpay. If not trade him if something can't be done.

Fair point

He's way better than Pearsall, it's not even close.

Disagree (and I like JJ).

Yeah, I think Pearsall may very well better than JJ already, even if us fans haven't seen it yet. Reports out of camp sounded a lot like they did two years ago with BA, when BA was dominating. Pearsall has the skills to be a go-to guy, something that JJ lacks. Either way, if Pearsall isn't better yet, he probably will be at some point this season, especially if Purdy continues to build rapport with the player that's here and practicing. JJ is not doing himself, or his future contract, any favors by letting Pearsall develop with Purdy.

Ifs and maybes doesn't make him better than JJ.

JJ would have probably been the Super Bowl mvp. We don't want to let JJ go even after he requested a trade, JJ is a very valuable wr that can do it all and he's proven. I like the possibilities with Slick Rick, but JJ is the better wr.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Nothing wrong with Jennings but he's not a prime receiver. He is very good at getting open on short routes and getting the first down. He's not going to get a lot of YAC. He's not a deep threat. He's a situational receiver that apparantly wants to be paid based on what he did last year when WR position was depleted.

You NAILED it!

Originally posted by Chance:
Yeah, I think Pearsall may very well better than JJ already, even if us fans haven't seen it yet. Reports out of camp sounded a lot like they did two years ago with BA, when BA was dominating. Pearsall has the skills to be a go-to guy, something that JJ lacks. Either way, if Pearsall isn't better yet, he probably will be at some point this season, especially if Purdy continues to build rapport with the player that's here and practicing. JJ is not doing himself, or his future contract, any favors by letting Pearsall develop with Purdy.

Agree.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Nothing wrong with Jennings but he's not a prime receiver. He is very good at getting open on short routes and getting the first down. He's not going to get a lot of YAC. He's not a deep threat. He's a situational receiver that apparantly wants to be paid based on what he did last year when WR position was depleted.

You NAILED it!

TRADE any players who do not want to be w/the team.. it's as ez as ABC !!! Love the guy, but he ain't a ONE !!!

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Players have to realize that when they're asking for a raise and want the team to do something out of the norm (or a practice you don't want players to do often), you have to do it in a certain way.

Let the niners pay for more than just JJ, but culture building. If he worked his ass off and was a great teammate etc, I feel like the Niners would of been happier to pay him but they don't want to encourage this approach by paying him.

who knows if it would of actually worked but I feel like it's the best approach - the Niners would be buying culture and expectation through that type of transaction. There is always the risk he could get hurt but that's just football - he isnr getting Micah parsons type life changing money regardless.

just my 2 cents, i think JJ is awesome and I hope we figure it out. It's just a tough position to put the team in and expect them to cave.

that's a big reason I loved what kittle/brock/warner did this year. Did their job and showed up, while contract negotiations were good. Showed other players how it's done.

I think the difference from the team side is these are premium players (or at least premium importance to our team) and Jennings isn't. The team has made it pretty clear they are drawing a line in the sand with spending and player negotiations this offseason.

I couldn't really agree more with your other recent posts in this thread.

Yeah, and the niners shouldn't be paying big bucks to anyone that isn't a top tier player. I agree with that. JJ's agent should of known that his best bet for a pay raise was through an incentive laden structure for this year and then goes into the off season (that or a trade which is really out of his control).

JJ never deserved big time money (but he has out performed his current contract IMO) but if he did everything right, I think the niners would have paid him a couple extra mil in incentives or something because of the message it would send to other guys. IMO. At least that was the best path to take IMO.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Players have to realize that when they're asking for a raise and want the team to do something out of the norm (or a practice you don't want players to do often), you have to do it in a certain way.

Let the niners pay for more than just JJ, but culture building. If he worked his ass off and was a great teammate etc, I feel like the Niners would of been happier to pay him but they don't want to encourage this approach by paying him.

who knows if it would of actually worked but I feel like it's the best approach - the Niners would be buying culture and expectation through that type of transaction. There is always the risk he could get hurt but that's just football - he isnr getting Micah parsons type life changing money regardless.

just my 2 cents, i think JJ is awesome and I hope we figure it out. It's just a tough position to put the team in and expect them to cave.

that's a big reason I loved what kittle/brock/warner did this year. Did their job and showed up, while contract negotiations were good. Showed other players how it's done.

I think the difference from the team side is these are premium players (or at least premium importance to our team) and Jennings isn't. The team has made it pretty clear they are drawing a line in the sand with spending and player negotiations this offseason.

I couldn't really agree more with your other recent posts in this thread.

Yeah, and the niners shouldn't be paying big bucks to anyone that isn't a top tier player. I agree with that. JJ's agent should of known that his best bet for a pay raise was through an incentive laden structure for this year and then goes into the off season (that or a trade which is really out of his control).

JJ never deserved big time money (but he has out performed his current contract IMO) but if he did everything right, I think the niners would have paid him a couple extra mil in incentives or something because of the message it would send to other guys. IMO. At least that was the best path to take IMO.

Here's the problem, we paid him like a #4 based on nfl wr salary standards, now he's asked to be a #1 or #2. The WR contracts are crazy, so this puts our F/O in a bind.

He's already requested a trade and we said no, which means we need him so the leverage is on his side. WR's cost a lot of coin in this 7on7 passing NFL. So what happens when B.A and Pearsall's contracts expire? The NFL contract situations are tricky, scary terry just got paid right after they took on Deebo's contract.

WR = $, it's the nfl way.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
He's way better than Pearsall, it's not even close.

He is as of now. Until Persall proves it and he might. But on this date yes you would say Jennings is better and the best WR we have. Aiyuk is injured and recovering.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
He's way better than Pearsall, it's not even close.

He is as of now. Until Persall proves it and he might. But on this date yes you would say Jennings is better and the best WR we have. Aiyuk is injured and recovering.

I'll send both 11, 15 and our 2nd rounder next year for LV's 1st and TE (Mayer) and their 3th.

then we're good to go !!

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Here's the problem, we paid him like a #4 based on nfl wr salary standards, now he's asked to be a #1 or #2. The WR contracts are crazy, so this puts our F/O in a bind.

He's already requested a trade and we said no, which means we need him so the leverage is on his side. WR's cost a lot of coin in this 7on7 passing NFL. So what happens when B.A and Pearsall's contracts expire? The NFL contract situations are tricky, scary terry just got paid right after they took on Deebo's contract.

WR = $, it's the nfl way.

I think most, if not all of us, would agree Jennings is underpaid (not dramatically but on the lower end of his tier) - I was personally surprised at how Low the 2 year extension he signed was.

we also have to keep In mind that we don't know what he's asking for and/or what the team is offering to do, if anything.

IMO, JJs real leverage is just in the fact that our WR room is super injured. JJ is a really solid player, especially the way he blocks and energy he plays with.

what I was saying above is that the team is never going to pay him a top dollar for what he brings to the table, they don't pay his caliber player that way (nor should they).

I think his approach should have been more "win/win" for him and the team. Work his ass off, be there for his team, and help them get better. Set a top notch example for other players.

that way the niners feel more comfortable giving him some sort of pay raise because they're encouraging that kind of behavior (doesn't mean they'd always pay guys who did that, but it sets an example).

paying him now gives the message to other players that if you do this, you'll be rewarded financially or sent elsewhere at your demand. The dynamic of this situation is bigger than just JJ in the eyes of the team. They don't want other players to see this as an option.

As a whole, I don't think JJ has a ton of leverage cause he isn't BA, bosa, Kittle, or Warner etc. he's a solid player, that's all.

I personally love JJ and hope they come to a win-win. You just have to look at this from the perspective of management and the player.

I hope this is resolved soon. We are better with him than without.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Here's the problem, we paid him like a #4 based on nfl wr salary standards, now he's asked to be a #1 or #2. The WR contracts are crazy, so this puts our F/O in a bind.

He's already requested a trade and we said no, which means we need him so the leverage is on his side. WR's cost a lot of coin in this 7on7 passing NFL. So what happens when B.A and Pearsall's contracts expire? The NFL contract situations are tricky, scary terry just got paid right after they took on Deebo's contract.

WR = $, it's the nfl way.

I think most, if not all of us, would agree Jennings is underpaid (not dramatically but on the lower end of his tier) - I was personally surprised at how Low the 2 year extension he signed was.

we also have to keep In mind that we don't know what he's asking for and/or what the team is offering to do, if anything.

IMO, JJs real leverage is just in the fact that our WR room is super injured. JJ is a really solid player, especially the way he blocks and energy he plays with.

what I was saying above is that the team is never going to pay him a top dollar for what he brings to the table, they don't pay his caliber player that way (nor should they).

I think his approach should have been more "win/win" for him and the team. Work his ass off, be there for his team, and help them get better. Set a top notch example for other players.

that way the niners feel more comfortable giving him some sort of pay raise because they're encouraging that kind of behavior (doesn't mean they'd always pay guys who did that, but it sets an example).

paying him now gives the message to other players that if you do this, you'll be rewarded financially or sent elsewhere at your demand. The dynamic of this situation is bigger than just JJ in the eyes of the team. They don't want other players to see this as an option.

As a whole, I don't think JJ has a ton of leverage cause he isn't BA, bosa, Kittle, or Warner etc. he's a solid player, that's all.

I personally love JJ and hope they come to a win-win. You just have to look at this from the perspective of management and the player.

I hope this is resolved soon. We are better with him than without.

Would if B.A or CMC would have taken this approach where would they be now? We are the most injury prone team I've ever seen.

We paid CMC, T.W, B.A, when they chose to go this route, so the precedent is already set.