"3rd and Jauan" Jennings l WR Tennessee

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Give him a 3-4 million bump this year and get the 4th round comp pick next year when some desperate team pays him 18 million per year

It would be a huge mistake to let him walk and not lock him up long term, especially if it's true that his agent is looking for 15-17 mil a year.

He's still got plenty of years in the tank, and will still be solid 3-4 years from now since he doesn't rely on his athletic ability.

We also have too many questions marks at WR going forward, especially with BA. Would love to lock him up for a 4-5 year deal. He will be a steal in a couple years from now at that 15-17 mil price range.

Do you think he'll be a steal in a few years at $17M because you think WR3s will be getting $20M a year in a few years?

Ok, what am I missing here? Everyone on this board keeps referring to JJ as #3 WR. So who is #2? I don't think there's any chance of Aiyuk returning to his old form before mid season at the earliest, if ever. If he does, I can see him being WR 1. So again, who exactly is 2??????

He's a slot WR which is normally a #3 WR.

There are some here who think nobody here ever said he could be WR1 so you are on that list now :)

He's a really good WR3, but he's not special at route running, getting separation, getting down field, or run after the catch ... he's VERY physical and a very good blocker. If he is the WR1 that means he's going to be the focus of the defense and I don't believe he will get open often enough.

The first 4 games of this season, based on what we know right now, JJ is the best available WR I don't think anyone has argued that. But Aiyuk, Pearsall, and Watkins all have potential to be better than JJ by the end of this year. I think that if JJ is the best WR by the end of this season the 49ers will have a losing record.

Huh? Really confusing, can you please explain this statement? Was just curious who WR 2 is if BA is able to return to his old form.

I think if Aiyuk is able to be 80% of his best self by the end of the year he and Pearsall are likely starting and JJ is getting his snaps mostly in the slot. If Cowing, Watkins, and Robinson are playing well too it gets more interesting.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Scoots:
Kittle, Aiyuk, and Samuel each have 1 season in their careers where they got more targets than JJ got last year. Do you think JJ will get that many (or close to that many targets) this year?

I think there is literally nothing pointing to JJ having a better year this year than last year and a lot of reasons to think the opposite. This is why he wants a new deal so hard now ... he knows his value will go down after this year.

I don't see the importance of this point. Ideally we have great targets everywhere and the ball is spread around. One thing we know following last season is that Jennings can produce in a starter role beyond what would be expected from a '#3 receiver'.

Take Demarcus Robinson for example. You have described him as a 'good' player. You argued Jennings production was simply because of injuries ahead of him, and then made a comparison between Robinson's and Jennings' best seasons' (not including last year). Not only was it laughable that you had to toss Jennings actual best year in the comparison, but you conveniently ignored Robinson has had 3 seasons with similar or more opportunities in games started, with better QBs and in arguably better passing offenses, and wasn't able to produce the type of season Jennings had especially in terms of volume.

Ultimately I tend to agree with at least one of your points here: that we probably don't want to get into a longterm extension with Jennings at this point. But you are also omitting numbers, downplaying critical performances, and misrepresenting what people are saying here seemingly in an effort to discount what Jennings has actually accomplished.

Jennings performance isn't "simply" anything. He's a good player, but I don't think he got significantly better from 23 to 24, I think he got more chances. His total yards and TDs went up a lot, but his targets went up a lot too.

I don't think Robinson is better than Jennings, and certainly not for this team, but I do think he's a good player, but I also said Jennings was very good. They both have similar PER TARGET performance, so it's not unreasonable that if Robinson suddenly got 3 times as many targets in a season he'd likely get significantly more yards too.

What I think about Jennings, and I've been very consistent about it, is that he's a very good WR in his role. Last year was a broken year and the results were likely not indicative of the future. This year, because of injury and DUI and lack of experience elsewhere on the roster, JJ is going to be playing out of position from day 1, teams can adjust and scheme against him, and he's not going to get nearly as many targets. I think it's fine and good to value the player he is without assuming last years increased total numbers mean more than they do.

I'm not going to spend the time to go back dozens of pages finding every time someone or other talked up Jennings as a WR1, I just jumped on the one that I happened to see. I'm okay letting that be something we disagree on.

Originally posted by Scoots:
I think if Aiyuk is able to be 80% of his best self by the end of the year he and Pearsall are likely starting and JJ is getting his snaps mostly in the slot. If Cowing, Watkins, and Robinson are playing well too it gets more interesting.

Are you basing that off of anything other than where they were drafted? Because Jennings has proven a helluva lot more than Pearsall on the field.

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Scoots:
I think if Aiyuk is able to be 80% of his best self by the end of the year he and Pearsall are likely starting and JJ is getting his snaps mostly in the slot. If Cowing, Watkins, and Robinson are playing well too it gets more interesting.

Are you basing that off of anything other than where they were drafted? Because Jennings has proven a helluva lot more than Pearsall on the field.

More that JJ's natural position is in the slot, and "starting WR" does not usually include the slot WR. Of the other WRs Pearsall is the most talented/experienced of the remaining group (not Aiyuk/JJ).

Of course it could be a total disaster and Aiyuk may not be able to play even at 80% of his best level, Pearsall may not be able to be the good version of himself and only be the invisible version, Watkins, Cowing, and the other kids may flame out completely. Robinson may not be able to cope with the offense. CMC and Kittle may get injured. And suddenly JJ gets 90% of the targets :)

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Scoots:
I think if Aiyuk is able to be 80% of his best self by the end of the year he and Pearsall are likely starting and JJ is getting his snaps mostly in the slot. If Cowing, Watkins, and Robinson are playing well too it gets more interesting.

Are you basing that off of anything other than where they were drafted? Because Jennings has proven a helluva lot more than Pearsall on the field.

More that JJ's natural position is in the slot, and "starting WR" does not usually include the slot WR. Of the other WRs Pearsall is the most talented/experienced of the remaining group (not Aiyuk/JJ).

Of course it could be a total disaster and Aiyuk may not be able to play even at 80% of his best level, Pearsall may not be able to be the good version of himself and only be the invisible version, Watkins, Cowing, and the other kids may flame out completely. Robinson may not be able to cope with the offense. CMC and Kittle may get injured. And suddenly JJ gets 90% of the targets :)

Well he doesn't need 90% of the targets to deserve what he's asking for. Based on your comment it seems you agree that if Aiyuk does find a way to return to form at some point, JJ would be the #2 option, which is on par with what he's seeking.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Give him a 3-4 million bump this year and get the 4th round comp pick next year when some desperate team pays him 18 million per year

It would be a huge mistake to let him walk and not lock him up long term, especially if it's true that his agent is looking for 15-17 mil a year.

He's still got plenty of years in the tank, and will still be solid 3-4 years from now since he doesn't rely on his athletic ability.

We also have too many questions marks at WR going forward, especially with BA. Would love to lock him up for a 4-5 year deal. He will be a steal in a couple years from now at that 15-17 mil price range.

Do you think he'll be a steal in a few years at $17M because you think WR3s will be getting $20M a year in a few years?

Ok, what am I missing here? Everyone on this board keeps referring to JJ as #3 WR. So who is #2? I don't think there's any chance of Aiyuk returning to his old form before mid season at the earliest, if ever. If he does, I can see him being WR 1. So again, who exactly is 2??????

He's a slot WR which is normally a #3 WR.

There are some here who think nobody here ever said he could be WR1 so you are on that list now :)

He's a really good WR3, but he's not special at route running, getting separation, getting down field, or run after the catch ... he's VERY physical and a very good blocker. If he is the WR1 that means he's going to be the focus of the defense and I don't believe he will get open often enough.

The first 4 games of this season, based on what we know right now, JJ is the best available WR I don't think anyone has argued that. But Aiyuk, Pearsall, and Watkins all have potential to be better than JJ by the end of this year. I think that if JJ is the best WR by the end of this season the 49ers will have a losing record.

Huh? Really confusing, can you please explain this statement? Was just curious who WR 2 is if BA is able to return to his old form.

I think if Aiyuk is able to be 80% of his best self by the end of the year he and Pearsall are likely starting and JJ is getting his snaps mostly in the slot. If Cowing, Watkins, and Robinson are playing well too it gets more interesting.

That's a Lotta ifs...

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Scoots:
I think if Aiyuk is able to be 80% of his best self by the end of the year he and Pearsall are likely starting and JJ is getting his snaps mostly in the slot. If Cowing, Watkins, and Robinson are playing well too it gets more interesting.

Are you basing that off of anything other than where they were drafted? Because Jennings has proven a helluva lot more than Pearsall on the field.

More that JJ's natural position is in the slot, and "starting WR" does not usually include the slot WR. Of the other WRs Pearsall is the most talented/experienced of the remaining group (not Aiyuk/JJ).

Of course it could be a total disaster and Aiyuk may not be able to play even at 80% of his best level, Pearsall may not be able to be the good version of himself and only be the invisible version, Watkins, Cowing, and the other kids may flame out completely. Robinson may not be able to cope with the offense. CMC and Kittle may get injured. And suddenly JJ gets 90% of the targets :)

Well he doesn't need 90% of the targets to deserve what he's asking for. Based on your comment it seems you agree that if Aiyuk does find a way to return to form at some point, JJ would be the #2 option, which is on par with what he's seeking.

I think the team wants someone else to be the #2 WR. Pearsall being the front runner at the moment.

Being the best on a team does not mean you should be paid in a certain salary slot. If Trent Williams retires today, it's not like McKivitz would suddenly deserve tens of millons a year just by being the best OT on the roster.

JJ is a very good slot WR, he shouldn't be paid like a good split end. If they go two years at $15M starting in 2026 that's fine with me, but I suspect if he plays out this year the 49ers would not offer him $15M for 2026. Again, the reason he's making his move now is he knows his value is at it's peak right now, and potentially every day from the start of camp his leverage goes down.

That $15M to $20M annually range is Cooper Kupp, Courtland Sutton, Jerry Jeudy, Deebo, Christian Kirk, Keenan Allen, and Mike Evans. I would put all of those players above JJ except maybe Christian Kirk.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Give him a 3-4 million bump this year and get the 4th round comp pick next year when some desperate team pays him 18 million per year

It would be a huge mistake to let him walk and not lock him up long term, especially if it's true that his agent is looking for 15-17 mil a year.

He's still got plenty of years in the tank, and will still be solid 3-4 years from now since he doesn't rely on his athletic ability.

We also have too many questions marks at WR going forward, especially with BA. Would love to lock him up for a 4-5 year deal. He will be a steal in a couple years from now at that 15-17 mil price range.

Do you think he'll be a steal in a few years at $17M because you think WR3s will be getting $20M a year in a few years?

Ok, what am I missing here? Everyone on this board keeps referring to JJ as #3 WR. So who is #2? I don't think there's any chance of Aiyuk returning to his old form before mid season at the earliest, if ever. If he does, I can see him being WR 1. So again, who exactly is 2??????

He's a slot WR which is normally a #3 WR.

There are some here who think nobody here ever said he could be WR1 so you are on that list now :)

He's a really good WR3, but he's not special at route running, getting separation, getting down field, or run after the catch ... he's VERY physical and a very good blocker. If he is the WR1 that means he's going to be the focus of the defense and I don't believe he will get open often enough.

The first 4 games of this season, based on what we know right now, JJ is the best available WR I don't think anyone has argued that. But Aiyuk, Pearsall, and Watkins all have potential to be better than JJ by the end of this year. I think that if JJ is the best WR by the end of this season the 49ers will have a losing record.

Huh? Really confusing, can you please explain this statement? Was just curious who WR 2 is if BA is able to return to his old form.

I think if Aiyuk is able to be 80% of his best self by the end of the year he and Pearsall are likely starting and JJ is getting his snaps mostly in the slot. If Cowing, Watkins, and Robinson are playing well too it gets more interesting.

That's a Lotta ifs...

Welcome to the 49ers. If 3 rookies and a reject from the Eagles can fix the D line. If Luter or Stout can hold up to big snaps without being picked on. If Brown can figure out how to play S in the NFL. If Bartch can play OG. If CMC can stay healthy. If Guerendo can pass block. If Cowing can play WR. If Mustapha can come back healthy. If Kyle can figure out how to win the big game.

Originally posted by Scoots:
Welcome to the 49ers. If 3 rookies and a reject from the Eagles can fix the D line. If Luter or Stout can hold up to big snaps without being picked on. If Brown can figure out how to play S in the NFL. If Bartch can play OG. If CMC can stay healthy. If Guerendo can pass block. If Cowing can play WR. If Mustapha can come back healthy. If Kyle can figure out how to win the big game.

This is why we watch no? Every year you have what ifs across the league.

Even the teams who look like they're setup across the board have their what ifs - can the Eagles repeat with the added pressure? Can they stay healthy? Will their FA losses leave them weaker? Can they deal with their OC change, etc.

I'm just ready to watch the camp battles and hoping the guys stay healthy so we can see what we actually have for a team.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Scoots:
Welcome to the 49ers. If 3 rookies and a reject from the Eagles can fix the D line. If Luter or Stout can hold up to big snaps without being picked on. If Brown can figure out how to play S in the NFL. If Bartch can play OG. If CMC can stay healthy. If Guerendo can pass block. If Cowing can play WR. If Mustapha can come back healthy. If Kyle can figure out how to win the big game.

This is why we watch no? Every year you have what ifs across the league.

Even the teams who look like they're setup across the board have their what ifs - can the Eagles repeat with the added pressure? Can they stay healthy? Will their FA losses leave them weaker? Can they deal with their OC change, etc.

I'm just ready to watch the camp battles and hoping the guys stay healthy so we can see what we actually have for a team.

Yep. I like the what ifs more than the certainties a lot of the time.

Scary Terry saying all the options are on the table including a trade…

Good lord our week 1 receiving corps is going to look terrible.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Good lord our week 1 receiving corps is going to look terrible.

Don't know yet.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Scary Terry saying all the options are on the table including a trade…

Believable, if the trade offer is solid. Until we know what JJ is looking for contract wise its all speculation. I guess we will find out soon enough.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Good lord our week 1 receiving corps is going to look terrible.

It's OK....McCaffrey can carry the mail with 35 touches...