"3rd and Jauan" Jennings l WR Tennessee

Originally posted by Scoots:
Aiyuk is virtually certain to not be the best WR for his first game, but the fact that he might be the best by the end of the season is the point really. That we can see the possibility that a player, who is 2 years removed from good performance and 1 year from a major injury, COULD be the best WR over a fully healthy JJ is in itself telling about JJ.

JJ didn't get better to get opportunities, his teammates who were better gave theirs up. CMC, Aiyuk, Pearsall missing significant time creates those opportunities. Do you think Juice got better to get nearly double the targets from 2023 to 2024? Or maybe it was that there were a LOT more opportunities available because of injury?

But he rose to the occasion when those opportunities came up.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Scoots:
Aiyuk is virtually certain to not be the best WR for his first game, but the fact that he might be the best by the end of the season is the point really. That we can see the possibility that a player, who is 2 years removed from good performance and 1 year from a major injury, COULD be the best WR over a fully healthy JJ is in itself telling about JJ.

JJ didn't get better to get opportunities, his teammates who were better gave theirs up. CMC, Aiyuk, Pearsall missing significant time creates those opportunities. Do you think Juice got better to get nearly double the targets from 2023 to 2024? Or maybe it was that there were a LOT more opportunities available because of injury?

But he rose to the occasion when those opportunities came up.

He's a good WR3. He played basically the same game with those opportunities. He's reliable. It's not any kind of insult, he's just not going to be what they call a game changer. He's not going to surprise.

I could actually see his performance get better this coming year than last year because of confidence in the offense, but I think he's probably going to struggle early as teams focus on him, particularly if he's playing at X.

I think WR 2 with a good receiving TE and a running game is his best fit. Bonus if he is paired with a deep threat WR.
Or a WR 3 in a primarily 11 personnel.

I can not help but think his best fit is the Eagles/Lions and maybe Atlanta. He is also a near perfect fill in for Brown in a pinch.

It's getting to be 3rd and long in the negotiations but we know Jennings is the right player for that situation and hopefully so is his agent

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:
By having more success per opportunity.

Kittle had 19 fewer targets but managed 1 more catch than JJ. He also averaged 1.5 yards more and ended with 2 more touchdowns. In 2023 Aiyuk had 8 fewer targets than JJ last year but turned them into 400 more yards ... even though he got fewer chances than the year before his production went up.

JJ is a good WR3 and he's really perfect in that role for the 49ers. The only issue is people suddenly thinking he deserves to be a WR1.

I don't remember seeing anyone making that claim. What I have seen is people saying he was WR1 last season; myself included, and that he would be for this season as well.

Aiyuk was trash last season after missing camp. This year; he'll be coming off of major injury on top of missing camp. It might just be me; but I think anyone thinking that he will hit the ground running the moment that he comes back is delusional. I don't think we see Aiyuk return to himself or "our expectations" until the end of season/playoffs; if ever, this year at least.

And for the initial comment in bold; you have to get better to get opportunities, and you need opportunity in order to get better. The two go hand in hand and should go without saying; but I digress.

Aiyuk is virtually certain to not be the best WR for his first game, but the fact that he might be the best by the end of the season is the point really. That we can see the possibility that a player, who is 2 years removed from good performance and 1 year from a major injury, COULD be the best WR over a fully healthy JJ is in itself telling about JJ.

JJ didn't get better to get opportunities, his teammates who were better gave theirs up. CMC, Aiyuk, Pearsall missing significant time creates those opportunities. Do you think Juice got better to get nearly double the targets from 2023 to 2024? Or maybe it was that there were a LOT more opportunities available because of injury?

To your first point; again, nobody is claiming JJ is a better WR than Aiyuk if/when he returns to form. It should be that way; Aiyuk was a first round pick and is one of the highest paid WRs, certainly the highest on our team. JJ is asking for half of that if the reports are true; I think that's fair, and not "telling" in a way that you are trying to make it seem.

We can agree to disagree that JJ didn't get better. He was a 7th round pick who was initially cut by this team. Kid been trending up ever since. When all of those injuries occurred; yes that gave him more opportunities, and he got them because he got better, AGAIN; coming off of a SB MVP performance over all of those guys you mentioned fully healthy. They could have easily traded for a WR like they did E. Sanders if they didn't think JJ could step up to the plate but they didn't because JJ was a better WR than he was the year before at that same time.

Question for you; does your analogy hold true for Purdy too? Another 7th round pick that got his opportunity due to injuries. He didn't get better with those opportunities because the two go hand in hand?

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:
By having more success per opportunity.

Kittle had 19 fewer targets but managed 1 more catch than JJ. He also averaged 1.5 yards more and ended with 2 more touchdowns. In 2023 Aiyuk had 8 fewer targets than JJ last year but turned them into 400 more yards ... even though he got fewer chances than the year before his production went up.

JJ is a good WR3 and he's really perfect in that role for the 49ers. The only issue is people suddenly thinking he deserves to be a WR1.

I don't remember seeing anyone making that claim. What I have seen is people saying he was WR1 last season; myself included, and that he would be for this season as well.

Aiyuk was trash last season after missing camp. This year; he'll be coming off of major injury on top of missing camp. It might just be me; but I think anyone thinking that he will hit the ground running the moment that he comes back is delusional. I don't think we see Aiyuk return to himself or "our expectations" until the end of season/playoffs; if ever, this year at least.

And for the initial comment in bold; you have to get better to get opportunities, and you need opportunity in order to get better. The two go hand in hand and should go without saying; but I digress.

Aiyuk is virtually certain to not be the best WR for his first game, but the fact that he might be the best by the end of the season is the point really. That we can see the possibility that a player, who is 2 years removed from good performance and 1 year from a major injury, COULD be the best WR over a fully healthy JJ is in itself telling about JJ.

JJ didn't get better to get opportunities, his teammates who were better gave theirs up. CMC, Aiyuk, Pearsall missing significant time creates those opportunities. Do you think Juice got better to get nearly double the targets from 2023 to 2024? Or maybe it was that there were a LOT more opportunities available because of injury?

To your first point; again, nobody is claiming JJ is a better WR than Aiyuk if/when he returns to form. It should be that way; Aiyuk was a first round pick and is one of the highest paid WRs, certainly the highest on our team. JJ is asking for half of that if the reports are true; I think that's fair, and not "telling" in a way that you are trying to make it seem.

We can agree to disagree that JJ didn't get better. He was a 7th round pick who was initially cut by this team. Kid been trending up ever since. When all of those injuries occurred; yes that gave him more opportunities, and he got them because he got better, AGAIN; coming off of a SB MVP performance over all of those guys you mentioned fully healthy. They could have easily traded for a WR like they did E. Sanders if they didn't think JJ could step up to the plate but they didn't because JJ was a better WR than he was the year before at that same time.

Question for you; does your analogy hold true for Purdy too? Another 7th round pick that got his opportunity due to injuries. He didn't get better with those opportunities because the two go hand in hand?

He didn't have a "SB MVP Performance" that's CRAZY talk. You say nobody is saying crazy over the top glowing praise of JJ but you say he had an MVP performance in the super bowl?

The 49ers were in a losing season and they knew it, they weren't trying to add more old talent for nothing.

I haven't said anything negative about JJ asking for more money or criticized him for that choice at all, I said it made sense for him to act now because he (and the 49ers) know his numbers are likely to go down. I don't care what players make other than the game of tetris the front office has to play to fit a whole team. Independent of how much we like JJ or how good a WR3 he is, I just think it never makes sense to pay the player you hope is your 3rd best WR $17M or more a year.

Where they were picked doesn't matter. I was saying he didn't get significantly better between 2023 and 2024. It's not an analogy. And I don't think Purdy has gotten significantly better from 2023 to 2024 either. He has progressed some but there was nothing transformative about his game from one year to the next either.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by bud49:
This team in my opinion has spent money on players who are a lot less worthy of it than JJ. JMO

And THAT is a problem. It's like Pandora's box. Everyone who has a good year suddenly wants a pay raise.

I'm afraid they are going to start making an example or a change in this situation and IMO that will be mistake. JJ got more of a chance last year and proved he can do it he became more of a factor. And his attitude and physical play cannot be taught you either have it or you don't.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:
By having more success per opportunity.

Kittle had 19 fewer targets but managed 1 more catch than JJ. He also averaged 1.5 yards more and ended with 2 more touchdowns. In 2023 Aiyuk had 8 fewer targets than JJ last year but turned them into 400 more yards ... even though he got fewer chances than the year before his production went up.

JJ is a good WR3 and he's really perfect in that role for the 49ers. The only issue is people suddenly thinking he deserves to be a WR1.

I don't remember seeing anyone making that claim. What I have seen is people saying he was WR1 last season; myself included, and that he would be for this season as well.

Aiyuk was trash last season after missing camp. This year; he'll be coming off of major injury on top of missing camp. It might just be me; but I think anyone thinking that he will hit the ground running the moment that he comes back is delusional. I don't think we see Aiyuk return to himself or "our expectations" until the end of season/playoffs; if ever, this year at least.

And for the initial comment in bold; you have to get better to get opportunities, and you need opportunity in order to get better. The two go hand in hand and should go without saying; but I digress.

Aiyuk is virtually certain to not be the best WR for his first game, but the fact that he might be the best by the end of the season is the point really. That we can see the possibility that a player, who is 2 years removed from good performance and 1 year from a major injury, COULD be the best WR over a fully healthy JJ is in itself telling about JJ.

JJ didn't get better to get opportunities, his teammates who were better gave theirs up. CMC, Aiyuk, Pearsall missing significant time creates those opportunities. Do you think Juice got better to get nearly double the targets from 2023 to 2024? Or maybe it was that there were a LOT more opportunities available because of injury?

To your first point; again, nobody is claiming JJ is a better WR than Aiyuk if/when he returns to form. It should be that way; Aiyuk was a first round pick and is one of the highest paid WRs, certainly the highest on our team. JJ is asking for half of that if the reports are true; I think that's fair, and not "telling" in a way that you are trying to make it seem.

We can agree to disagree that JJ didn't get better. He was a 7th round pick who was initially cut by this team. Kid been trending up ever since. When all of those injuries occurred; yes that gave him more opportunities, and he got them because he got better, AGAIN; coming off of a SB MVP performance over all of those guys you mentioned fully healthy. They could have easily traded for a WR like they did E. Sanders if they didn't think JJ could step up to the plate but they didn't because JJ was a better WR than he was the year before at that same time.

Question for you; does your analogy hold true for Purdy too? Another 7th round pick that got his opportunity due to injuries. He didn't get better with those opportunities because the two go hand in hand?

He didn't have a "SB MVP Performance" that's CRAZY talk. You say nobody is saying crazy over the top glowing praise of JJ but you say he had an MVP performance in the super bowl?

The 49ers were in a losing season and they knew it, they weren't trying to add more old talent for nothing.

I haven't said anything negative about JJ asking for more money or criticized him for that choice at all, I said it made sense for him to act now because he (and the 49ers) know his numbers are likely to go down. I don't care what players make other than the game of tetris the front office has to play to fit a whole team. Independent of how much we like JJ or how good a WR3 he is, I just think it never makes sense to pay the player you hope is your 3rd best WR $17M or more a year.

Where they were picked doesn't matter. I was saying he didn't get significantly better between 2023 and 2024. It's not an analogy. And I don't think Purdy has gotten significantly better from 2023 to 2024 either. He has progressed some but there was nothing transformative about his game from one year to the next either.

That's not crazy talk at all. Only reason he didn't get it is because we didn't win.

Who's the two WRs on our team that is better than him? You have no idea how Aiyuk will look coming off of that injury. He doesn't even seem like he wants to be with the 49ers even after getting paid. If his asking price reported is true; than your $17M or more isn't accurate, I saw $15-$17M.

You conviently added the word significantly. Your initial wording was that he wasn't better; he just got more opportunities. We can just agree to disagree there; I'll go to my grave with my thoughts of the two going hand in hand. You don't get better without opportunity and you don't get opportunities if you aren't getting better.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:
By having more success per opportunity.

Kittle had 19 fewer targets but managed 1 more catch than JJ. He also averaged 1.5 yards more and ended with 2 more touchdowns. In 2023 Aiyuk had 8 fewer targets than JJ last year but turned them into 400 more yards ... even though he got fewer chances than the year before his production went up.

JJ is a good WR3 and he's really perfect in that role for the 49ers. The only issue is people suddenly thinking he deserves to be a WR1.

I don't remember seeing anyone making that claim. What I have seen is people saying he was WR1 last season; myself included, and that he would be for this season as well.

Aiyuk was trash last season after missing camp. This year; he'll be coming off of major injury on top of missing camp. It might just be me; but I think anyone thinking that he will hit the ground running the moment that he comes back is delusional. I don't think we see Aiyuk return to himself or "our expectations" until the end of season/playoffs; if ever, this year at least.

And for the initial comment in bold; you have to get better to get opportunities, and you need opportunity in order to get better. The two go hand in hand and should go without saying; but I digress.

Aiyuk is virtually certain to not be the best WR for his first game, but the fact that he might be the best by the end of the season is the point really. That we can see the possibility that a player, who is 2 years removed from good performance and 1 year from a major injury, COULD be the best WR over a fully healthy JJ is in itself telling about JJ.

JJ didn't get better to get opportunities, his teammates who were better gave theirs up. CMC, Aiyuk, Pearsall missing significant time creates those opportunities. Do you think Juice got better to get nearly double the targets from 2023 to 2024? Or maybe it was that there were a LOT more opportunities available because of injury?

To your first point; again, nobody is claiming JJ is a better WR than Aiyuk if/when he returns to form. It should be that way; Aiyuk was a first round pick and is one of the highest paid WRs, certainly the highest on our team. JJ is asking for half of that if the reports are true; I think that's fair, and not "telling" in a way that you are trying to make it seem.

We can agree to disagree that JJ didn't get better. He was a 7th round pick who was initially cut by this team. Kid been trending up ever since. When all of those injuries occurred; yes that gave him more opportunities, and he got them because he got better, AGAIN; coming off of a SB MVP performance over all of those guys you mentioned fully healthy. They could have easily traded for a WR like they did E. Sanders if they didn't think JJ could step up to the plate but they didn't because JJ was a better WR than he was the year before at that same time.

Question for you; does your analogy hold true for Purdy too? Another 7th round pick that got his opportunity due to injuries. He didn't get better with those opportunities because the two go hand in hand?

He didn't have a "SB MVP Performance" that's CRAZY talk. You say nobody is saying crazy over the top glowing praise of JJ but you say he had an MVP performance in the super bowl?

The 49ers were in a losing season and they knew it, they weren't trying to add more old talent for nothing.

I haven't said anything negative about JJ asking for more money or criticized him for that choice at all, I said it made sense for him to act now because he (and the 49ers) know his numbers are likely to go down. I don't care what players make other than the game of tetris the front office has to play to fit a whole team. Independent of how much we like JJ or how good a WR3 he is, I just think it never makes sense to pay the player you hope is your 3rd best WR $17M or more a year.

Where they were picked doesn't matter. I was saying he didn't get significantly better between 2023 and 2024. It's not an analogy. And I don't think Purdy has gotten significantly better from 2023 to 2024 either. He has progressed some but there was nothing transformative about his game from one year to the next either.

That's not crazy talk at all. Only reason he didn't get it is because we didn't win.

Who's the two WRs on our team that is better than him? You have no idea how Aiyuk will look coming off of that injury. He doesn't even seem like he wants to be with the 49ers even after getting paid. If his asking price reported is true; than your $17M or more isn't accurate, I saw $15-$17M.

You conviently added the word significantly. Your initial wording was that he wasn't better; he just got more opportunities. We can just agree to disagree there; I'll go to my grave with my thoughts of the two going hand in hand. You don't get better without opportunity and you don't get opportunities if you aren't getting better.

You think 4 catches for 80 yards is MVP worthy?

I don't think two WRs on the team are necessarily better, I think the 49ers want Aiyuk, Pearsall, Watkins, and Cowing to be better.

The $17M and more is from what other people have been saying. I have no idea what Jauan wants.

Do you think Purdy got significantly better from his first year to 2nd? He got more opportunities in his 2nd year than his 1st.

Originally posted by Scoots:
You think 4 catches for 80 yards is MVP worthy?

I don't think two WRs on the team are necessarily better, I think the 49ers want Aiyuk, Pearsall, Watkins, and Cowing to be better.

The $17M and more is from what other people have been saying. I have no idea what Jauan wants.

Do you think Purdy got significantly better from his first year to 2nd? He got more opportunities in his 2nd year than his 1st.

Lol. You could at least add the two TD's… one of them passing.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:
By having more success per opportunity.

Kittle had 19 fewer targets but managed 1 more catch than JJ. He also averaged 1.5 yards more and ended with 2 more touchdowns. In 2023 Aiyuk had 8 fewer targets than JJ last year but turned them into 400 more yards ... even though he got fewer chances than the year before his production went up.

JJ is a good WR3 and he's really perfect in that role for the 49ers. The only issue is people suddenly thinking he deserves to be a WR1.

I don't remember seeing anyone making that claim. What I have seen is people saying he was WR1 last season; myself included, and that he would be for this season as well.

Aiyuk was trash last season after missing camp. This year; he'll be coming off of major injury on top of missing camp. It might just be me; but I think anyone thinking that he will hit the ground running the moment that he comes back is delusional. I don't think we see Aiyuk return to himself or "our expectations" until the end of season/playoffs; if ever, this year at least.

And for the initial comment in bold; you have to get better to get opportunities, and you need opportunity in order to get better. The two go hand in hand and should go without saying; but I digress.

Aiyuk is virtually certain to not be the best WR for his first game, but the fact that he might be the best by the end of the season is the point really. That we can see the possibility that a player, who is 2 years removed from good performance and 1 year from a major injury, COULD be the best WR over a fully healthy JJ is in itself telling about JJ.

JJ didn't get better to get opportunities, his teammates who were better gave theirs up. CMC, Aiyuk, Pearsall missing significant time creates those opportunities. Do you think Juice got better to get nearly double the targets from 2023 to 2024? Or maybe it was that there were a LOT more opportunities available because of injury?

To your first point; again, nobody is claiming JJ is a better WR than Aiyuk if/when he returns to form. It should be that way; Aiyuk was a first round pick and is one of the highest paid WRs, certainly the highest on our team. JJ is asking for half of that if the reports are true; I think that's fair, and not "telling" in a way that you are trying to make it seem.

We can agree to disagree that JJ didn't get better. He was a 7th round pick who was initially cut by this team. Kid been trending up ever since. When all of those injuries occurred; yes that gave him more opportunities, and he got them because he got better, AGAIN; coming off of a SB MVP performance over all of those guys you mentioned fully healthy. They could have easily traded for a WR like they did E. Sanders if they didn't think JJ could step up to the plate but they didn't because JJ was a better WR than he was the year before at that same time.

Question for you; does your analogy hold true for Purdy too? Another 7th round pick that got his opportunity due to injuries. He didn't get better with those opportunities because the two go hand in hand?

He didn't have a "SB MVP Performance" that's CRAZY talk. You say nobody is saying crazy over the top glowing praise of JJ but you say he had an MVP performance in the super bowl?

The 49ers were in a losing season and they knew it, they weren't trying to add more old talent for nothing.

I haven't said anything negative about JJ asking for more money or criticized him for that choice at all, I said it made sense for him to act now because he (and the 49ers) know his numbers are likely to go down. I don't care what players make other than the game of tetris the front office has to play to fit a whole team. Independent of how much we like JJ or how good a WR3 he is, I just think it never makes sense to pay the player you hope is your 3rd best WR $17M or more a year.

Where they were picked doesn't matter. I was saying he didn't get significantly better between 2023 and 2024. It's not an analogy. And I don't think Purdy has gotten significantly better from 2023 to 2024 either. He has progressed some but there was nothing transformative about his game from one year to the next either.

That's not crazy talk at all. Only reason he didn't get it is because we didn't win.

Who's the two WRs on our team that is better than him? You have no idea how Aiyuk will look coming off of that injury. He doesn't even seem like he wants to be with the 49ers even after getting paid. If his asking price reported is true; than your $17M or more isn't accurate, I saw $15-$17M.

You conviently added the word significantly. Your initial wording was that he wasn't better; he just got more opportunities. We can just agree to disagree there; I'll go to my grave with my thoughts of the two going hand in hand. You don't get better without opportunity and you don't get opportunities if you aren't getting better.

You think 4 catches for 80 yards is MVP worthy?

I don't think two WRs on the team are necessarily better, I think the 49ers want Aiyuk, Pearsall, Watkins, and Cowing to be better.

The $17M and more is from what other people have been saying. I have no idea what Jauan wants.

Do you think Purdy got significantly better from his first year to 2nd? He got more opportunities in his 2nd year than his 1st.

lol you going to conveniently leave out his TD catch and TD pass? Second player in SB history to achieve that feat and the previous one who did it was the SB MVP. Yeah I do think what he did was MVP worthy and I am not alone with that thought. Who do you think would have got it had we won?

You literally said "your 3rd best WR $17M or more a year." Now you say I don't think two WRs on the team are necessarily better, which is it?

Yes I do think Purdy got better from year one to two. "Significantly?" I never said that, you did, but he got better enough to go from 3rd string to 1st and MVP consideration. He got more opportunities in his 2nd year than his first because he made the most of them. Before you come back with the "due to injuries," do you think he's the starter his 2nd year if he s**t the bed in his first season? He ain't getting that 2nd year if he didn't get better from the first.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Scoots:
You think 4 catches for 80 yards is MVP worthy?

I don't think two WRs on the team are necessarily better, I think the 49ers want Aiyuk, Pearsall, Watkins, and Cowing to be better.

The $17M and more is from what other people have been saying. I have no idea what Jauan wants.

Do you think Purdy got significantly better from his first year to 2nd? He got more opportunities in his 2nd year than his 1st.

Lol. You could at least add the two TD's… one of them passing.

A gimmick play doesn't matter that much for that award I don't think. The TD is fine, but has there ever been an MVP with such soft numbers?

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:
By having more success per opportunity.

Kittle had 19 fewer targets but managed 1 more catch than JJ. He also averaged 1.5 yards more and ended with 2 more touchdowns. In 2023 Aiyuk had 8 fewer targets than JJ last year but turned them into 400 more yards ... even though he got fewer chances than the year before his production went up.

JJ is a good WR3 and he's really perfect in that role for the 49ers. The only issue is people suddenly thinking he deserves to be a WR1.

I don't remember seeing anyone making that claim. What I have seen is people saying he was WR1 last season; myself included, and that he would be for this season as well.

Aiyuk was trash last season after missing camp. This year; he'll be coming off of major injury on top of missing camp. It might just be me; but I think anyone thinking that he will hit the ground running the moment that he comes back is delusional. I don't think we see Aiyuk return to himself or "our expectations" until the end of season/playoffs; if ever, this year at least.

And for the initial comment in bold; you have to get better to get opportunities, and you need opportunity in order to get better. The two go hand in hand and should go without saying; but I digress.

Aiyuk is virtually certain to not be the best WR for his first game, but the fact that he might be the best by the end of the season is the point really. That we can see the possibility that a player, who is 2 years removed from good performance and 1 year from a major injury, COULD be the best WR over a fully healthy JJ is in itself telling about JJ.

JJ didn't get better to get opportunities, his teammates who were better gave theirs up. CMC, Aiyuk, Pearsall missing significant time creates those opportunities. Do you think Juice got better to get nearly double the targets from 2023 to 2024? Or maybe it was that there were a LOT more opportunities available because of injury?

To your first point; again, nobody is claiming JJ is a better WR than Aiyuk if/when he returns to form. It should be that way; Aiyuk was a first round pick and is one of the highest paid WRs, certainly the highest on our team. JJ is asking for half of that if the reports are true; I think that's fair, and not "telling" in a way that you are trying to make it seem.

We can agree to disagree that JJ didn't get better. He was a 7th round pick who was initially cut by this team. Kid been trending up ever since. When all of those injuries occurred; yes that gave him more opportunities, and he got them because he got better, AGAIN; coming off of a SB MVP performance over all of those guys you mentioned fully healthy. They could have easily traded for a WR like they did E. Sanders if they didn't think JJ could step up to the plate but they didn't because JJ was a better WR than he was the year before at that same time.

Question for you; does your analogy hold true for Purdy too? Another 7th round pick that got his opportunity due to injuries. He didn't get better with those opportunities because the two go hand in hand?

He didn't have a "SB MVP Performance" that's CRAZY talk. You say nobody is saying crazy over the top glowing praise of JJ but you say he had an MVP performance in the super bowl?

The 49ers were in a losing season and they knew it, they weren't trying to add more old talent for nothing.

I haven't said anything negative about JJ asking for more money or criticized him for that choice at all, I said it made sense for him to act now because he (and the 49ers) know his numbers are likely to go down. I don't care what players make other than the game of tetris the front office has to play to fit a whole team. Independent of how much we like JJ or how good a WR3 he is, I just think it never makes sense to pay the player you hope is your 3rd best WR $17M or more a year.

Where they were picked doesn't matter. I was saying he didn't get significantly better between 2023 and 2024. It's not an analogy. And I don't think Purdy has gotten significantly better from 2023 to 2024 either. He has progressed some but there was nothing transformative about his game from one year to the next either.

That's not crazy talk at all. Only reason he didn't get it is because we didn't win.

Who's the two WRs on our team that is better than him? You have no idea how Aiyuk will look coming off of that injury. He doesn't even seem like he wants to be with the 49ers even after getting paid. If his asking price reported is true; than your $17M or more isn't accurate, I saw $15-$17M.

You conviently added the word significantly. Your initial wording was that he wasn't better; he just got more opportunities. We can just agree to disagree there; I'll go to my grave with my thoughts of the two going hand in hand. You don't get better without opportunity and you don't get opportunities if you aren't getting better.

You think 4 catches for 80 yards is MVP worthy?

I don't think two WRs on the team are necessarily better, I think the 49ers want Aiyuk, Pearsall, Watkins, and Cowing to be better.

The $17M and more is from what other people have been saying. I have no idea what Jauan wants.

Do you think Purdy got significantly better from his first year to 2nd? He got more opportunities in his 2nd year than his 1st.

lol you going to conveniently leave out his TD catch and TD pass? Second player in SB history to achieve that feat and the previous one who did it was the SB MVP. Yeah I do think what he did was MVP worthy and I am not alone with that thought. Who do you think would have got it had we won?

You literally said "your 3rd best WR $17M or more a year." Now you say I don't think two WRs on the team are necessarily better, which is it?

Yes I do think Purdy got better from year one to two. "Significantly?" I never said that, you did, but he got better enough to go from 3rd string to 1st and MVP consideration. He got more opportunities in his 2nd year than his first because he made the most of them. Before you come back with the "due to injuries," do you think he's the starter his 2nd year if he s**t the bed in his first season? He ain't getting that 2nd year if he didn't get better from the first.

LOL, you compare a thrown and caught TD pass with 4 receptions to being SB MVP because Nick Foles did it ... you don't think it was maybe the 373 yards and other 2 TDs were a factor? I don't know who would have won it ... could still have been Mahomes, or it could have gone to whoever got the winning TD that never came.

I said "the player you hope is your 3rd best WR" ... as in the team would like to have to WRs better than Jennings. I didn't say he was the 3rd best. You left out the hope.

Purdy being 3rd string was immaterial. He got his chance because of injury, he kept it because he was good ... he got more chances in his 2nd year because he was the starter all year. If he was good in his first year and just as good the 2nd year as long as they don't have someone better he's going to start. He doesn't have to get better to keep the job until someone better comes along. I think he has gotten better but it's in the margins. Your contention was the getting more chances makes you better, or that you can't get better without more chances, and there is a LONG list of players who have got more chances early in their careers only to prove they don't deserve them, and of players who got few chances and then took the job and kept it.

Originally posted by Scoots:
A gimmick play doesn't matter that much for that award I don't think. The TD is fine, but has there ever been an MVP with such soft numbers?

A thrown TD pass doesn't factor into winning a Super Bowl MVP, lol? Come on man, you're reaching. It's just lazy or disingenuous to not include his biggest impact plays when you are talking about his production in the game. Throwing a TD pass to the far sideline as a WR, while getting crushed by a rusher, is an impressive play. It was a huge play for us, just as his 4th down TD reception was.

Time for the 49ers to overpay him its what they do best. 3 years 75m with 50m guaranteed. Youve got this Paraag