"3rd and Jauan" Jennings l WR Tennessee

Originally posted by GNS1310:

snap count
2024 - 689 - 63%
2023 - 361 - 33% (with Deebo/Aiyuk)
2022 - 489 - 44%
2021 - 337 - 30%
He had a good year last season...I don't feel it's enough though. Add some incentives, let's see what he does this year.
He isn't a #1 not even sure he's a #2. What's he going to do vs a starting CB?
He's a Stokes behind Rice and Taylor.
We have to stand our ground eventually. Enough of this WR crap. Bring in a vet or 2 and let him walk? Maybe.

But he isn't behind anyone on the current roster.
Aiyuk was just meh last year and he may have lost a step.
Robinson is a 10 year veteran who has a career high of 505 yards in a season.
The draft picks haven't panned out yet.

Offer him a 1-2 yr incentive based contract. From what I've read he's only costing 940k this yr. He's is definitely worth more than that but I don't see giving him 10+m contract. Problem is he is, at this moment our #1 receiver until BA comes back and he will probably take half the season to get back in football shape. Catch22. But I do like the way he plays the game. Just my opinion

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by HearstFan:
This thing where guys sign an extension and then within a year or two want to renegotiate their deal because they should be paid more really irritates me. There should be some penalty for players not honoring their contract. I guess trading them to the "Jets" is a penalty - lol. But the team has little recourse except cutting a player if the player doesn't perform up to their contract.

Maybe the CBA should be renegotiated that every player every year is salary slotted based on prior year performance - similar to draft status. As for the Cap - it would only apply to adding new players not already under contract. In other words, you have a player on a 3 year contract - his cap number is the contract number even if his salary is increased due to the performance slotting during his existing 3 year contract, his cap number remains the contract number for compliance reasons. But if a team were to add a new player, then the team would need to have available contract cap space to add the new player.

Complex I know - but somehow these constant not living up to their contract agreements should end.

What should be the penalty for teams that release a player before the contract is up?

Dead money.

That isn't really a penalty. Dead money is money that you have already paid being accounted for against the cap. Deebo has a big dead money hit because he has been paid that amount but it never hit the cap due to restructures. If they had cut Trent Williams last year before they gave him that new deal, there wouldn't have been any dead money.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by GNS1310:
snap count
2024 - 689 - 63%
2023 - 361 - 33% (with Deebo/Aiyuk)
2022 - 489 - 44%
2021 - 337 - 30%
He had a good year last season...I don't feel it's enough though. Add some incentives, let's see what he does this year.
He isn't a #1 not even sure he's a #2. What's he going to do vs a starting CB?
He's a Stokes behind Rice and Taylor.
We have to stand our ground eventually. Enough of this WR crap. Bring in a vet or 2 and let him walk? Maybe.

But he isn't behind anyone on the current roster.
Aiyuk was just meh last year and he may have lost a step.
Robinson is a 10 year veteran who has a career high of 505 yards in a season.
The draft picks haven't panned out yet.

Yes he is behind someone else on the current roster ... Aiyuk. Aiyuk had a bad year and got hurt, but he's still the WR with the most experience and talent on the roster. JJ's just penciled in to start because they don't know if they have a better option yet. If Watkins kills it in camp he might start and JJ may go back to the slot.

You know until last year when so many players were lost to injury JJ's best year was worse than Robinson's best year? And last year JJ's performance numbers went down relative to targets ... he got bigger numbers not because he was better but because he got more chances.

Originally posted by Cg9erSF:
Offer him a 1-2 yr incentive based contract. From what I've read he's only costing 940k this yr. He's is definitely worth more than that but I don't see giving him 10+m contract. Problem is he is, at this moment our #1 receiver until BA comes back and he will probably take half the season to get back in football shape. Catch22. But I do like the way he plays the game. Just my opinion

I think the team has Pearsall as WR1 going in to camp, and while JJ is a known quantity they hope several of the kids step up and take a bunch of snaps for themselves.

He's the last chip to fall now. Lets get a deal done. 3 years for $45 million. $23 million guaranteed. $15 million a year average. With the top guys making $30, $32, $35 million it's not out of bounds. When the cap increases some will make $40 million a year. This will look like a steal. He has vastly out played his current deal. He's in the Anquan Boldin mold. He has it all but straight line speed. Every other category.

Offer him some incentives for this year & see if he can play his way into a big contract next offseason with another team

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by HearstFan:
This thing where guys sign an extension and then within a year or two want to renegotiate their deal because they should be paid more really irritates me. There should be some penalty for players not honoring their contract. I guess trading them to the "Jets" is a penalty - lol. But the team has little recourse except cutting a player if the player doesn't perform up to their contract.

Maybe the CBA should be renegotiated that every player every year is salary slotted based on prior year performance - similar to draft status. As for the Cap - it would only apply to adding new players not already under contract. In other words, you have a player on a 3 year contract - his cap number is the contract number even if his salary is increased due to the performance slotting during his existing 3 year contract, his cap number remains the contract number for compliance reasons. But if a team were to add a new player, then the team would need to have available contract cap space to add the new player.

Complex I know - but somehow these constant not living up to their contract agreements should end.

What should be the penalty for teams that release a player before the contract is up?

Dead money.

That isn't really a penalty. Dead money is money that you have already paid being accounted for against the cap. Deebo has a big dead money hit because he has been paid that amount but it never hit the cap due to restructures. If they had cut Trent Williams last year before they gave him that new deal, there wouldn't have been any dead money.

Deebo still got the money he was owed when restructures happened, that's how a restructure works, that's what helps teams save salary cap room.

Uh wrong on the last sentence, Williams would have left dead money in 2027 no matter what, they had restructured his deal before.

Jennings seeing Alfred get his contract signed.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by HearstFan:
This thing where guys sign an extension and then within a year or two want to renegotiate their deal because they should be paid more really irritates me. There should be some penalty for players not honoring their contract. I guess trading them to the "Jets" is a penalty - lol. But the team has little recourse except cutting a player if the player doesn't perform up to their contract.

Maybe the CBA should be renegotiated that every player every year is salary slotted based on prior year performance - similar to draft status. As for the Cap - it would only apply to adding new players not already under contract. In other words, you have a player on a 3 year contract - his cap number is the contract number even if his salary is increased due to the performance slotting during his existing 3 year contract, his cap number remains the contract number for compliance reasons. But if a team were to add a new player, then the team would need to have available contract cap space to add the new player.

Complex I know - but somehow these constant not living up to their contract agreements should end.

What should be the penalty for teams that release a player before the contract is up?

Dead money.

That isn't really a penalty. Dead money is money that you have already paid being accounted for against the cap. Deebo has a big dead money hit because he has been paid that amount but it never hit the cap due to restructures. If they had cut Trent Williams last year before they gave him that new deal, there wouldn't have been any dead money.

You don't think losing cap space is a penalty?

Not read the thread assuming based on zone history most have turned against JJ lol.

Originally posted by tohara3:
Offer him some incentives for this year & see if he can play his way into a big contract next offseason with another team

Incentives is all I would offer as well.

Originally posted by Scoots:
Yes he is behind someone else on the current roster ... Aiyuk. Aiyuk had a bad year and got hurt, but he's still the WR with the most experience and talent on the roster. JJ's just penciled in to start because they don't know if they have a better option yet. If Watkins kills it in camp he might start and JJ may go back to the slot.

You know until last year when so many players were lost to injury JJ's best year was worse than Robinson's best year? And last year JJ's performance numbers went down relative to targets ... he got bigger numbers not because he was better but because he got more chances.

Well yes, more chances equals more statistical output, while also usually lowering efficiency(outside of generational talents).
Would Jamar chase have 127 rec if he has 113 targets? NO.

And comparing a 3 year player to a 8 year player for their best season is just insane, then throw in the 3 year player was a 7th round pick with an extremely limited first two offseason's due to world events. But the first opportunity he has when not buried on the depth chart, he nails it.

He is not a first on the depth chart guy. But #2 on a team with a good TE is suitable. Can anyone name a team where he is not contending for WR #2 outside of Cin, Min, and Phi.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by HearstFan:
This thing where guys sign an extension and then within a year or two want to renegotiate their deal because they should be paid more really irritates me. There should be some penalty for players not honoring their contract. I guess trading them to the "Jets" is a penalty - lol. But the team has little recourse except cutting a player if the player doesn't perform up to their contract.

Maybe the CBA should be renegotiated that every player every year is salary slotted based on prior year performance - similar to draft status. As for the Cap - it would only apply to adding new players not already under contract. In other words, you have a player on a 3 year contract - his cap number is the contract number even if his salary is increased due to the performance slotting during his existing 3 year contract, his cap number remains the contract number for compliance reasons. But if a team were to add a new player, then the team would need to have available contract cap space to add the new player.

Complex I know - but somehow these constant not living up to their contract agreements should end.

What should be the penalty for teams that release a player before the contract is up?

Dead money.

That isn't really a penalty. Dead money is money that you have already paid being accounted for against the cap. Deebo has a big dead money hit because he has been paid that amount but it never hit the cap due to restructures. If they had cut Trent Williams last year before they gave him that new deal, there wouldn't have been any dead money.

You don't think losing cap space is a penalty?

Relative. Teams do it all the time whenever your value doesn't match up with production and there's an out. Unless you have a massive cap hit, they'll take the hit if your value just isn't there.

My issue is the idea that players are just opting to honor contracts when the reality is all sides are operating in their best interests, as they should.

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by tohara3:
Offer him some incentives for this year & see if he can play his way into a big contract next offseason with another team

Incentives is all I would offer as well.

I would not. I would either say play this year and we will look to trade you at the deadline, or give him a 3yr $60ish extension, would even go 4yr $80ish through his age 31-32 season. It would also have him clearing the books by 2029 TV deal.
It depends on how they see him. If they are going to let him go, give that to him early. If they think re-signing is their route, give that to him early.

Or if this is out of nowhere and not a part of ongoing talks or past promises, just say f**k you enjoy the Saints/Giants/Browns/Colts. Trade him for whatever they offer, and caveat that if they trade him they owe the 49ers an additional Nth round pick.