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Originally posted by Scoots:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
15-17k seems very reasonable to me given his performance and the market. It's not like BA asking for over 30etc. I would think it's not a major cap hurdle either so the question is do they want to keep him?

Khalil Shakir type contract?

Probably a little more.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
They have the cap space but I know they're hoping to use that for other players down the road. Some of it will be used for Purdy's new deal. I hope they resolve this without overpaying him.

This. I think he's worth around 15m maybe around 17m tops, but if he's asking over 20 (which tbh he may get as a fa next year) no way.

He's our most proven WR and just moves chains. It's a tough spot.

I am also not mad he wants a new deal. How many players get cut before their deal is up every year by every team etc. he's played his butt off outperforming his pay and never complained.

I'm with you to the last line ... how do we know he never complained? He could have been complaining non-stop and just not done it publicly ... we just don't know. This is just the first time his agent made it known. Most teams put a lot of effort into isolating their players from the press.

If they extend him 2 years at 15 a year I'm fine with that, but I think it's too much at this point, 2 years at 20 a year is too much.

After this year I think his value will go down, and I think JJ knows that and that is why he wants the new deal now.

You're correct, but I would still respect that regardless as that is between him and the team. Lynch never talks about contracts and I think that is how it should be done as well. It's up to each player (BA, Deebo, Bosa). Sounds like his agent is just doing his job.
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Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
All veteran RBs have an extensive injury history. Saquon Barkley is also aging and injury-prone. Would you not have paid him?
That is a false statement. When you say "all", every single RB needs to have it. Otherwise, its just a hyperbole.
Someone like Derrick Henry has barely missed any games throughout his nine years in the league

"Saquon Barkley is also aging and injury-prone. Would you not have paid him?"

No, I wouldn't pay him the money he got either. And I'd like to point out he didnt hold out and I didnt hear anything about any achilles issues.
I wouldnt be surprised if Barkley, after a very long season by his standards last year, breaks down early this season.

Our team was too reliant on CMC, and they need to learn how to operate without him anyway. The point is, you can't pay everybody. So starting with the most replaceable positions - Trent Williams can hold Niners at gunpoint and they wouldnt be able to find a suitable replacement anyway - RB, WRs are the ones who you can find in draft for very cheap and be quality. Yes, they wont be peak CMC, Barkley or Henry, but you cant have cake and eat it too. If you want to get younger and cheaper, paying old RBs who can break down 20m a year is probably the first thing you dont do.

I was with you for the most part, but top WRs not easy to find in the draft.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by bassmanr:
He is if you factor in playing history and injuries. The young ones may step up but that's an unknown. Right now he is the best available reciever. Not great news but statistically he is the best we have.

He's by far the best we have. It's not close. 2nd place is not close. Is that Pearsall? We don't even know. Not Cowing or the suspended guy.

part of it is a team failure, i said a long time ago, we need amari cooper or keenan allen or someone else. these are cheap vets who know how to get it done. robinson is a loser and should never have been signed. signing some drunk who probably won't be available early season, when BA is on pup, what sense does that make? so we put ourselves in a bad spot, and Jennings can see it and is trying to take advantage.
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If they let Juan go they will be getting rid of the enforcer on offense. Dude plays hard and to the whistle. Reminds me so much of Hines Ward he may not be the fastest on the field but he's gonna run a good route and if the ball is not coming his way he will contribute by blocking.
[ Edited by bud49 on Jul 16, 2025 at 2:14 PM ]
Originally posted by bud49:
If they let Juan go they will be getting rid of the enforcer on offense. Dude plays hard and to the whistle. Reminds me so much of Hines Wards.

agree. he's like a draymond green, if that makes sense. the enforcer. KS won't allow that. if you say play on it or don't, i bet he plays on it. do we see him saying i'm not playing and missing games? i don't think so.
Originally posted by Scoots:
I was with you for the most part, but top WRs not easy to find in the draft.

I mean sure, but depends on what you consider top WRs (and btw I never mentioned "top" WRs).

If its like top 3 WR in the league, yeah but like....have the Niners had one since TO ?

My point was moreso that good to great WRs can be found deep in the draft, whereas positions like QBs and franchise caliber LTs are not as likely to be found deep in the draft anymore. There are very few QBs starting in the NFL who weren't selected in top 2 rounds. Yeah, I know Brock is our QB, but its a very rare exception.

I mean, this is Jauan Jennings thread. Jennings was drafted in the 7th round, cut, passed waivers, stayed on PS for a year and then worked his way onto the team, improving and becoming a very good football player. By doing this, the team was able to save money and get much more output for a late round pick that contributed a lot to the teams success in the last few years. You can't do this when you pay all of your WRs market value money because those guys will always have priority in playing time then. So eventually, someone will have to be let go.
Originally posted by the_dynasty:
I mean sure, but depends on what you consider top WRs (and btw I never mentioned "top" WRs).

If its like top 3 WR in the league, yeah but like....have the Niners had one since TO ?

My point was moreso that good to great WRs can be found deep in the draft, whereas positions like QBs and franchise caliber LTs are not as likely to be found deep in the draft anymore. There are very few QBs starting in the NFL who weren't selected in top 2 rounds. Yeah, I know Brock is our QB, but its a very rare exception.

I mean, this is Jauan Jennings thread. Jennings was drafted in the 7th round, cut, passed waivers, stayed on PS for a year and then worked his way onto the team, improving and becoming a very good football player. By doing this, the team was able to save money and get much more output for a late round pick that contributed a lot to the teams success in the last few years. You can't do this when you pay all of your WRs market value money because those guys will always have priority in playing time then. So eventually, someone will have to be let go.

kyle has proved very good at developing WRs. jennings, BA, deebo all had great development. kyle was a wr himself. he understands the position.
Originally posted by 49ers808:

Ya there's no way we trade him.

Reports are that he's looking for 15-17 mil a year. That's a good price for him. Give him 3 years 50 mil, win-win for both sides.

And if I was GM, I would lock him into a 5 year contract. This dude will be fine even at 35 because he doesn't rely on being an elite athlete. He will still play at a high level even in his early/mid 30s, like Boldin/Hines Ward did. 5 years 80 mil will be a steal, especially since we can keep his cap low for the first 2-3 years, by the time his 4th/5th year kicks in, that will still be a steal because of the cap going up a lot more.
[ Edited by GoreGoreGore on Jul 16, 2025 at 3:52 PM ]
Originally posted by HearstFan:
This thing where guys sign an extension and then within a year or two want to renegotiate their deal because they should be paid more really irritates me. There should be some penalty for players not honoring their contract. I guess trading them to the "Jets" is a penalty - lol. But the team has little recourse except cutting a player if the player doesn't perform up to their contract.

Maybe the CBA should be renegotiated that every player every year is salary slotted based on prior year performance - similar to draft status. As for the Cap - it would only apply to adding new players not already under contract. In other words, you have a player on a 3 year contract - his cap number is the contract number even if his salary is increased due to the performance slotting during his existing 3 year contract, his cap number remains the contract number for compliance reasons. But if a team were to add a new player, then the team would need to have available contract cap space to add the new player.

Complex I know - but somehow these constant not living up to their contract agreements should end.

What should be the penalty for teams that release a player before the contract is up?
I doubt Jennings holds out. One,because it doesn't seem to be in his character. Two, he hasn't made much in his career. To hold out in only the second year of him making real money isn't likely.
Tired of the 9ers giving big contracts on demand to WR who have had 1 outlier year.

Tell him to play or retire. If he has another good year, he'll be in a good position to make demands.
Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Originally posted by Scoots:
I was with you for the most part, but top WRs not easy to find in the draft.

I mean sure, but depends on what you consider top WRs (and btw I never mentioned "top" WRs).

If its like top 3 WR in the league, yeah but like....have the Niners had one since TO ?

My point was moreso that good to great WRs can be found deep in the draft, whereas positions like QBs and franchise caliber LTs are not as likely to be found deep in the draft anymore. There are very few QBs starting in the NFL who weren't selected in top 2 rounds. Yeah, I know Brock is our QB, but its a very rare exception.

I mean, this is Jauan Jennings thread. Jennings was drafted in the 7th round, cut, passed waivers, stayed on PS for a year and then worked his way onto the team, improving and becoming a very good football player. By doing this, the team was able to save money and get much more output for a late round pick that contributed a lot to the teams success in the last few years. You can't do this when you pay all of your WRs market value money because those guys will always have priority in playing time then. So eventually, someone will have to be let go.

You said "cheap and quality" ... the implication certainly being that it's easy. But when we look at 49ers WR draft picks we find that about half of the picks Lynchahan have spent on WR (Ronnie Bell, Danny Gray, Jalen Hurd, Dante Pettis) have been not "quality". WR is one of the harder positions to find functional players in the draft "cheap". Even spending high draft capital has a high failure rate.

Great WRs CAN be found deep in the draft but it's incredibly rare.

The QB argument is kind of funny considering Joe was not a top 2 round pick, neither was Tom Brady. So arguably the top 2 to ever play were not in the first 2 rounds. Look at the top WR list and you'll find virtually all of them were 1st round picks.

JJ is "quality" but his value is being wildly overblown. His career average before the team basically was running out of options was around 350 yards and a little better than 50% success rate on targets.

The cap means no team can pay all their best players (unless they don't have many). It's not a WR thing, it's a NFL thing. And Aiyuk is making less than $10M this year, so it's not like they are blowing out their cap at WR. Deebo is costing $34M in dead money, not because they gave him an unreasonable contract (3 years $70M coming off his best year), but because they restructured his deal to intentionally move literally half the contract into dead money. Aiyuk's deal is setup so they can cut him before 2027 and save more than $60M on his "record" contract.
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by 49ers808:

Ya there's no way we trade him.

Reports are that he's looking for 15-17 mil a year. That's a good price for him. Give him 3 years 50 mil, win-win for both sides.

And if I was GM, I would lock him into a 5 year contract. This dude will be fine even at 35 because he doesn't rely on being an elite athlete. He will still play at a high level even in his early/mid 30s, like Boldin/Hines Ward did. 5 years 80 mil will be a steal, especially since we can keep his cap low for the first 2-3 years, by the time his 4th/5th year kicks in, that will still be a steal because of the cap going up a lot more.

He's not worth that. He's a good player, he's not worth $15M a year for a long term to me.
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by HearstFan:
This thing where guys sign an extension and then within a year or two want to renegotiate their deal because they should be paid more really irritates me. There should be some penalty for players not honoring their contract. I guess trading them to the "Jets" is a penalty - lol. But the team has little recourse except cutting a player if the player doesn't perform up to their contract.

Maybe the CBA should be renegotiated that every player every year is salary slotted based on prior year performance - similar to draft status. As for the Cap - it would only apply to adding new players not already under contract. In other words, you have a player on a 3 year contract - his cap number is the contract number even if his salary is increased due to the performance slotting during his existing 3 year contract, his cap number remains the contract number for compliance reasons. But if a team were to add a new player, then the team would need to have available contract cap space to add the new player.

Complex I know - but somehow these constant not living up to their contract agreements should end.

What should be the penalty for teams that release a player before the contract is up?

Dead money.
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