All Pro OT Trent Williams

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
They shouldn't own a team if that's how they are going to operate. I know it's not my money, but that'd bush league. That's the s**t you see in places like CIN or other cheap organizations

People just have to look at their cash spending over the last handful of years. It was extremely high. Ownership got uncomfortable with it and Aiyuk's deal was the last straw.

It's unfortunate and there's a nuanced argument to be had about it. You definitely can't argue they have been cheap, but they clearly want to get cheaper… the unfortunate part is the spending has coincided with their most successful run as owners, from an on-field perspective. It's just not going to be win at 'any' cost. It's a business.

I agree, they've not been cheap. But going the complete opposite route like this is what loser franchises do and is not conducive to winning. There should be a middle ground. Not to mention the precedent that would set with coaches and players .

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Superbowl:
Would you make a trade with Kansas City?

I'd f**king pay him, lol. But yes, I would trade him to whoever offered the most even if it was a team we didn't like.

I would take a 3rd round pick for him

Originally posted by Superbowl:
I would take a 3rd round pick for him

That seems reasonable and realistic to me. We probably wouldn't get his full value because teams can also see his contract and understand our position.

He has a big bonus due here in a couple weeks.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Superbowl:
I would take a 3rd round pick for him

That seems reasonable and realistic to me. We probably wouldn't get his full value because teams can also see his contract and understand our position.

He has a big bonus due here in a couple weeks.

If someone offered a third I would take it

There is no replacement for Trent Williams. But he is getting very old, is slowing down a bit, and costs a fortune. I will agree that we don't have a replacement in place, but the Niners realistically need to rebuild with youth, notwithstanding their improbable record last season. Trent will be in the Hall of Fame, and he may be the best in team history to ever play left tackle, and we've had some good ones. But doubling down on him at this stage of his career feels like a bad move. McCaffrey has lost a step. Kittle, with the achilles, is going to lose a step. Warner, with the broken and dislocated ankle will probably lose a step. Trent has lost a step. All four are arguably headed for the Hall of Fame, and it's been a privilege to watch them, but it's time to suck it up and get young.

Originally posted by BSofSF:
There is no replacement for Trent Williams. But he is getting very old, is slowing down a bit, and costs a fortune. I will agree that we don't have a replacement in place, but the Niners realistically need to rebuild with youth, notwithstanding their improbable record last season. Trent will be in the Hall of Fame, and he may be the best in team history to ever play left tackle, and we've had some good ones. But doubling down on him at this stage of his career feels like a bad move. McCaffrey has lost a step. Kittle, with the achilles, is going to lose a step. Warner, with the broken and dislocated ankle will probably lose a step. Trent has lost a step. All four are arguably headed for the Hall of Fame, and it's been a privilege to watch them, but it's time to suck it up and get young.

I somewhat agree with you, especially about Trent. But, whomever the Niners trade, they are going to have to hit on in FA/the draft.

So they won't pay Trent Williams because he's old and expensive but they just gave a 32 year old WR $60 million.

Originally posted by Gemini10:
So they won't pay Trent Williams because he's old and expensive but they just gave a 32 year old WR $60 million.

No they didn't.

Originally posted by Gemini10:
So they won't pay Trent Williams because he's old and expensive but they just gave a 32 year old WR $60 million.

Read up on evans contract first, then come back

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Gemini10:
So they won't pay Trent Williams because he's old and expensive but they just gave a 32 year old WR $60 million.

No they didn't.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Read up on evans contract first, then come back

Willfully obtuse. They still allocated large amounts of cap to another aging, injury plagued player at another position instead of getting younger and faster.

Originally posted by Gemini10:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Gemini10:
So they won't pay Trent Williams because he's old and expensive but they just gave a 32 year old WR $60 million.

No they didn't.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Read up on evans contract first, then come back

Willfully obtuse. They still allocated large amounts of cap to another aging, injury plagued player at another position instead of getting younger and faster.

42 million plus incentives is not 60 million. And they still have a bunch of mid to high picks to get one or two youngsters.

You don't very often post here so I will give you one unofficial warning. Calling fellow posters names is unpleasant. Read the Rules.

Originally posted by Superbowl:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Superbowl:
I would take a 3rd round pick for him

That seems reasonable and realistic to me. We probably wouldn't get his full value because teams can also see his contract and understand our position.

He has a big bonus due here in a couple weeks.

If someone offered a third I would take it

f**k that. Top 5 HOF OT who just wants some GTD $. SF eats a massive DM hit moving him (which isn't the end all be all).

my god we're asking for a 1st for Mac Jones. We're not trying to get rid of Trent.

Also this draft blows, a 3rd this yr isn't as valuable as other yrs. I'm not moving Trent so they can draft another s**t RB in the 3rd.

I want a proven young player and a pick. Something like BTJ and a day 3 pick.

Originally posted by Gemini10:
Willfully obtuse. They still allocated large amounts of cap to another aging, injury plagued player at another position instead of getting younger and faster.

My guy, it's not about cap space it's about actual dollars. Trent wants GTD cash, he's always gonna want GTD cash. Evans got like $14M GTD, so no it's not $60M unless he plays like a top 5 WR the life of that deal.

folks gonna separate cap space from real $$.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Gemini10:
Willfully obtuse. They still allocated large amounts of cap to another aging, injury plagued player at another position instead of getting younger and faster.

My guy, it's not about cap space it's about actual dollars. Trent wants GTD cash, he's always gonna want GTD cash. Evans got like $14M GTD, so no it's not $60M unless he plays like a top 5 WR the life of that deal.

folks gonna separate cap space from real $$.

how much gtd does he want is my question.

Originally posted by Gemini10:
Willfully obtuse. They still allocated large amounts of cap to another aging, injury plagued player at another position instead of getting younger and faster.

Guy, it's a 1 year $16m deal