Brandon Aiyuk is a 49er! Pick #25, 2020 NFL Draft

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I agree but that's the market. If the 9ers could get Purdy to sign for less they would do it in a heartbeat.

Right and that's my point with BA and people saying they're fine with him leaving or whatever. That's the market you want a really good player (all-pro) that plays a premium position. It's gonna cost $$. His cap doesn't really matter for a couple yrs anyway. They can totally pay him, if they really want too.

you damn well know if he doesn't come back and Deebo gets hurt. Folks are gonna be complaining that Brock is throwing the ball to a couple rookies and JJ…even though folks are downplaying the importance of WRs overall.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
No one is saying we shouldn't pay wrs, it's we shouldn't overpay BA at this point.

you wanna overpay BA, then yeah.. all you gonna have is BA and Purdy in the future lol

would we do TW and BA to PIT for 2 ones?
PIT also has to agree that 80s 49ers > 70s Steelers

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by babarvaart:
Top 5 earning WRs all time.

https://www.nfl.com/news/the-five-highest-paid-wide-receivers-of-all-time-0ap3000000952004

How many SBs between them?

They were a collective 0-3 in super bowls.

Bill Walsh said you don't invest highly in a WR until the rest of your roster is built, and sure enough, he had won two Super Bowl before he drafted Jerry Rice.

Why don't people listen to Bill Walsh?

That totally checks out.....

I consider myself somewhat of a bill Walsh savant and own all his books, I must be getting old because I don't recall that.....but it absolutely checks out in practice....Bill Walsh only drafted a half dozen WRs his entire time with the 49ers with all but one being 3rd round or later. John Taylor in the 3rd round and Rice in the first stick out.

I do remember Bill Walsh saying you have to load up the defense first, because there is little smoke and mirrors to get by on, you have to out athlete the offense. Of course that was the cut block era and the offensive line had massive advantages they simply do not have today. it was like 10 out of the first 32 draft picks Walsh made was on offense most being later round picks minus Joe and a slew of RBs (Walsh had the worst luck at RB) and by late round I mean like 8-12 ...rounds that do not even exist any more. Got to remember there was MANY more draft picks back then, compared to today. 3 years would be 36 picks.

In his book about his time at Stanford, he was really dead set on taking the top off the defense, and recruited alot of speed at WR, he wrote at length about the differences in the college game and the NFL, and how he coveted rare size in the NFL, but that size was not as needed in the college game. You can get a feel for how his priorities changed at the college level vs the NFL He wanted shorter, faster WRs with lower centers of gravity....almost the anti-Rice version of WRs.

There might be very positive quotes out there talking about needing this WR or that WR....and I would bet they come Walsh talking about college...not the NFL.

Originally posted by pd24:
You pay QBs to execute the offense and not miss open guys. Pay them to limit turnovers and make positive plays. You can win with an average top 15ish QB with no all pro WRs. You can't win with a bad QB and all pro WRs

Why do you have to pay a QB like that $200M+ then? That sounds like a system QB/game manager. Go find one of those for half the price then.

You act like every WR can just "get open" or it's just play calling which simply isn't true.

I disagree you can win a bunch of games with a top 15 QB with no good receivers. You can win a bunch of games with a bunch of good receivers and a top 15ish QB.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
would we do TW and BA to PIT for 2 ones?
PIT also has to agree that 80s 49ers > 70s Steelers

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Aiyuk has done a great job of using the leverage he has. Sure the team has more and the final say on what happens but Aiyuk has taken away a lot of the teams options to get the best package for him.

1. 49ers can only trade him to a team that Aiyuk agrees to sign an extension with - meaning no team that isn't guaranteed an extension with him is going to offer anything worthwhile for Aiyuk.
2. It's so late in the off season that all of the normal options are off the table - so Aiyuk really can pick where he goes.
3. Aiyuk knows the niners can't afford to tag him multiple seasons in a row and force him to play on those. Even if they franchise tag him next season - he ultimately gets to say where he goes by saying he will sign an extension, limiting the 49ers trade ability.
4. the niners can force Aiyuk to play on the fifth year option but there are ways for Aiyuk to collect the money and year of eligibility without the team getting what they want out of him.

Aiyuk has figured out a way to maximize the little leverage he had to help guide himself to a spot he desires with what he desires financially.

this isn't over, so who knows what happens, but Aiyuk has done a good job fighting this.

No he hasn't. Lol. He is still a 49er and doesn't have a new team or extension.

Well played BA.

1. False. The 9ers could trade BA anywhere as long as they're willing to take less. They aren't. Which means, Aiyuk isn't going anywhere that the 9ers don't feel they get value.

2. Aiyuk is under contract. He can't pick anything except to not sign an extension for any team, or to hold out, or to play under the contract he has.

3. Niners would find it more cost effective to tag him next season than to pay 30m. In fact, if you include 2 years of tagging and the 14m of this year, it's still cheaper than a 30m extension.

4. Yes, this is true. And if Aiyuk choses to do it, it will directly impact his value on his next contract. He'd be shooting himself in the foot.

Lol obviously they can trade him anywhere - they just can't maximize his value in a trade since no one is going to give up valuable assets if it's a one year rental. I thought that was common sense and didn't know it needed to be explained in that detail.

2. once again, I expect posters to use common sense when reading the post - out of the available trade destinations, he can say if he's signing an extension or not - meaning he gets to choose where he goes cause no one in their right mind would give up valuable assets for a one year rental. Assuming the team is trying to trade him for anything valuable.

3. def not cost effective to use the franchise tag. Please learn how those tools impact the salary cap. Paying someone $30M a year on a multi year extension is exponentially better than paying $30M on a franchise tag for your salary cap.

1. You said the 9ers can only trade him to a team he wants to go to. That's simply false. Justify it how you want.

2. Plenty of teams will take a player on a 1 year flyer to see if they can convince him to stay. It happens. Doesn't always work. 9ers would still get some value in that situation..just not a 1st round pick. The reason this won't happen isn't because of the influence that BA has over the circumstances. It's because the 9ers are in such a position of strength having a contract.

3. It becomes cost effective when you consider the 14m is the first year. 14+22+(28ish)= 64m. VS 90m?? Even if you factor in a 4th year with 0 income, which is unlikely, we're still talking about 22m/y over a 4 year contract vs 21m a year average using tags. And the later has no guaranteed except for the year being played...meaning less injury risk for the team.

One thing I'll add is folks don't realize how important a true XWR is in Kyle offense. Going back to his days as OC in Texas.

Houston-Andre Johnson
Washington-Pierre Garçon
Cleveland-had Josh Gordon (got suspended) when he came back he was on pace for like 150 targets
ATL-Julio Jones

at this point they're gonna toss out Conley or JJ as their split end. That's not acceptable for a team that's in SB or bust mode.

hopefully he comes back or at this pt they get a good enough player to play that position and some picks back.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
One thing I'll add is folks don't realize how important a true XWR is in Kyle offense. Going back to his days as OC in Texas.

Houston-Andre Johnson
Washington-Pierre Garçon
Cleveland-had Josh Gordon (got suspended) when he came back he was on pace for like 150 targets
ATL-Julio Jones

at this point they're gonna toss out Conley or JJ as their split end. That's not acceptable for a team that's in SB or bust mode.

hopefully he comes back or at this pt they get a good enough player to play that position and some picks back.

XWR is important to help the offense put up stats. But winning it's a team thing and this dude asking for 30+ f**ks with the team. Don't know if you realize that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
lol don't lump me into an argument that you are having with someone else. Did I say anything that isn't true?

You guessing on Brock, that hasn't happened yet. A lot can change in a year. Put me down as someone who does not believe WE will make Brock the highest paid in the NFL nor do I think he's the type that will "Aiyuk" for it.

The bold is completely irrelevant and actually supports my argument of being run first.

What I stated isn't logic. That's the problem of you quoting what I said and lumping me in with another argument. Guys like Deebo/Kittle/Trent got paid for their contributions to both pass and the run game, wrong guys to choose there and a stupid thing to post lol

So BA doesn't contribute to the run game lol?

SF is clearly not guessing on Brock. They're setting up their cap to get him paid. Unless he falls off a cliff he's gonna be one of if not the highest paid player in the NFL when he makes his deal. That's how it works at QB….so you believe that because we don't throw it more, Brock won't be paid as much?

Dude what? lol, as someone stated, you feisty today and lots of strawman.

Where did I say Aiyuk doesn't contribute to the run game? YOU brought up Trent/Kittle/Deebo as if they only got paid based on their contribution to the passing game.

One of the highest paid and "WE gonna make Brock the highest paid player in the NFL" is completely different things, and you've said both in two posts. I know he'll get paid, I do know how it works, and unless you have reading comprehension issues then you wouldn't interpret what I said as otherwise.

I actually think that Brock knows that he is what he is in the NFL in large part due to his supporting cast and will want to keep it that way. He knows his limitations and has said as much. He will want to continue competing for championships and a QB taking up the majority of the cap makes it all the more tougher to field strong and competitive rosters. Thats just my opinion, we'll see what happens.

Will be interesting to see if anything comes from BA's agent visiting the Raiders. Adams is the only receiver that can make this team better now. Would be crazy to see him in red and gold.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
One thing I'll add is folks don't realize how important a true XWR is in Kyle offense. Going back to his days as OC in Texas.

Houston-Andre Johnson
Washington-Pierre Garçon
Cleveland-had Josh Gordon (got suspended) when he came back he was on pace for like 150 targets
ATL-Julio Jones

at this point they're gonna toss out Conley or JJ as their split end. That's not acceptable for a team that's in SB or bust mode.

hopefully he comes back or at this pt they get a good enough player to play that position and some picks back.

Made it to a SB in 209 with a rookie WR and an old WR we traded for in the middle of the season.

we have a better team now than then and some how we suck if BA is gone.. when we already showed we can get there without him ?

shoot, JJ was the star of the last SB for us

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:
Will be interesting to see if anything comes from BA's agent visiting the Raiders. Adams is the only receiver that can make this team better now. Would be crazy to see him in red and gold.

I have to imagine he his agent has players on the Raiders also.

Originally posted by Jakemall:
1. You said the 9ers can only trade him to a team he wants to go to. That's simply false. Justify it how you want.

2. Plenty of teams will take a player on a 1 year flyer to see if they can convince him to stay. It happens. Doesn't always work. 9ers would still get some value in that situation..just not a 1st round pick. The reason this won't happen isn't because of the influence that BA has over the circumstances. It's because the 9ers are in such a position of strength having a contract.

3. It becomes cost effective when you consider the 14m is the first year. 14+22+(28ish)= 64m. VS 90m?? Even if you factor in a 4th year with 0 income, which is unlikely, we're still talking about 22m/y over a 4 year contract vs 21m a year average using tags. And the later has no guaranteed except for the year being played...meaning less injury risk for the team.

I mean he's not unhappy here. He wants to play in SF. He just wants to get paid. Teams aren't gonna give up anything meaningful if there's no extension included. Kinda disagree there.

Folks gotta understand APY means nothing. His cap hit is not gonna be $30M, $30M, $30M each yr for the life of his deal. It's not evenly distributed like that. It's ALL about the GTD cash. Go look at every contract and how the cap is distributed.

You're basically saying tag him twice and give straight up $64M FGTD for 3 yrs of football? That's a s**t ton of gtd $ that we can't spread out at all & have no long-term commitment. There's no way to manipulate that on the cap, no restructuring nothing.

Unless this is some blockbuster three-team deal where we get Adams, I don't want to trade him

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SD49er:
NY, I agree that Brock and Aiyuk should be the future. But I also agree that the cap requires the team to prioritize certain players/positions over others - WR should not be one of those positions because of Brock. If Brock is a true franchise QB, which I believe he is (this year will provide needed data on this topic as well), moving forward Brock is going to have to do more with less. This is just the reality of today's NFL. I think Brock's skillset (accuracy, delivering the ball on time, working in the offense) can translate to less talented WRs. Given the reports earlier this year about considering trading Deebo or Aiyuk, the team seems to believe its unable to pay both. I also think the assumption that Deebo will be gone after the year, or that Shanny would choose Aiyuk over Deebo is not necessarily true. I think the team would have liked to make this decision next year, but Aiyuk has forced their hand. They cannot now make bad emotional decisions to either overpay Aiyuk or trade him for trash. Paying Aiyuk what he wants at the risk of the next 2-3 years would also be a bad business decision. They have to balance the now versus the later.

Brock has a WR that creates separation, wins vs man (consistently) within timing of the play, has great hands, great YAC/Y/R etc.

I think Brock is a good QB. I don't think he's a mahomes level QB that doesn't need good WRs to make plays.

So you believe Brock will be better this yr even with BA gone?

I don't think Brock will be better (Mahomes was not better without Hill last year) but he will still be really good. It's about balancing the team while maintaining a high level of offensive play.