Brandon Aiyuk is a 49er! Pick #25, 2020 NFL Draft

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Its not a binary choice between robot and say whatever the f**k you want to the detriment of the team.

What s**tty fans? The ones that buy his jerseys at $200 and go to the games and empty their wallet or spend hundreds of dollars to stream 49ers games.........those ones.

Your right. He owes me nothing nor did i say he should but he owes his teammates and the sport that has given him the opportunity, a level of professionalism and maturity.

*You're right

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Jerry Rice got SB MVP over the winning quarterback Montana in SB XXIII. How often does that happen? That was his fourth year in the league. That's recognition.

At the end of his career, he was asked who was his favorite quarterback. He's caught more touchdowns from Steve Young than Joe Montana, but nope, it was still Montana.

I do remember Jerry teasing retirement immediately after a SB win, while obviously he never quit until he wasn't allowed off the bench many years later.

Someone needs to refresh my memory how he resented Montana's fame and felt insufficiently recognized.

Rice absolutely has diva qualities, who cares anyway? s**t so did Montana..along with some animosity towards this franchise. Who cares?

players are allowed to have feelings lol. They're allowed to have some diva qualities…so long as they're good teammates and play good football.

I think its fine to voice your concerns within but to make it public especially during a holdout is unprofessional. I don't recall Rice or Montana doing that I'd like to see evidence. Comparing them to TO and "if" they had instagram they'd be as dramatic is bs. TO didn't have instagram. BA needs to shut up and prove us wrong

Jerry made several issues public in different ways. I remember him being snippy with fans as a rookie. The only one I could find online was this one https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1989/09/01/49ers-rice-super-bowl-star-still-awaits-his-day-in-the-sun/55e523cf-b7e7-4b9a-8306-8aa143fa6afe/

God, it's a little depressing seeing dates for events I was there for being 40 years ago. WWII to Jerry Rice being a 49er is the same distance away as Jerry in Red and Gold to now. Ugh.

Maybe we all have different opinions on what makes a diva. Jerry was pure class on the field. When he scored a TD, he didn't celebrate, he politely handed the ball to the ref. Juxtapose that with TO's celebrations.

But part of the point is Jerry changed over his career. Early on he was more showy, more interested in attention, he quieted as he did better and better. The opposite of TO who was quiet at the beginning and only got loud with success.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
My concern isn't about his attitude.

I wanted him traded to Pittsburgh when all the contract stuff was happening.

My key concern is, after a very serious injury, he won't be nearly as good as he was.

The Pittsburgh trade thing is a tougher sell to me. Deebo was in decline so the 49ers wanted to secure their best WR. Marathe is notorious for pissing off agents who then tell their clients that the team is disrespecting them and to hold out and not talk to them etc. At some point the agent plays the "trade demand" card to get the deal they want and check the market. This is common these days. Trent Williams has held out but his teammates are GLOWING about him as a person and a teammate.

The injury concern is completely reasonable.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
You just dont get it. Its about attitude.

What attitude have you seen from him on the field that was negative? Like I said it's not like I'm loving all his social media BS but we're still talking about football right?

Other than him looking like a child in practice...

Ya.....ignore the posts.

You were at practice? I thought their practices are almost entirely closed now?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Alot of hold outs?Who? Missed entire offseason? And did zero? Not in shape? BS.

Bosa held out, Trent held out all last off season, Deebo held out. How about SF gets a freaking deal done, so players don't have to hold out? Any good player due a massive deal shouldn't be on the field risking injury.

Bosa, Trent and Deebo all played subpar coming into the new season after their contract extensions.

Thats it? I thought it was ALOT.

Sub par.... is that a good thing?

You really hate those guys right? How dare they hold out!! How dare they say no to the low ball deal offered from my beloved team!

no one said it was a good thing…how about YOUR team signs them when they should have, so no one has to holdout? Why are you not holding YOUR team accountable at all?

I get it now. Your not a team fan. You are a player fan. Makes sense. GO BA.

Originally posted by TD49ers:
I get it now. Your not a team fan. You are a player fan. Makes sense. GO BA.

You just can't hold the team accountable for any wrongdoing, that's your problem. That and being dramatic about short colors and instagram posts that you "think" are some cheap shot at your team.

Why does the FO have to try and "win" every single negotiation? They usually end up paying the player what they wanted and it's now deep into TC if not later. That helps no one.

why does the FO have to leak out that some of them didn't want to give him an extension? How the hell does that help anything?

look if they had no intentions of signing him, TRADE him. Do it when his worth is the highest pre-draft. Understand that the player actually does have some negotiation power and has all the right in the world to use it…just like you would.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
I get it now. Your not a team fan. You are a player fan. Makes sense. GO BA.

You just can't hold the team accountable for any wrongdoing, that's your problem. That and being dramatic about short colors and instagram posts that you "think" are some cheap shot at your team.

Why does the FO have to try and "win" every single negotiation? They usually end up paying the player what they wanted and it's now deep into TC if not later. That helps no one.

why does the FO have to leak out that some of them didn't want to give him an extension? How the hell does that help anything?

look if they had no intentions of signing him, TRADE him. Do it when his worth is the highest pre-draft. Understand that the player actually does have some negotiation power and has all the right in the world to use it…just like you would.

They did try and trade him......BA was the one f**king around.

Its not the fact they have negoiating power its how they use it. To me there is a difference between Bosa and BA. Bosa didnt act like an bipolar 5 year old.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
I get it now. Your not a team fan. You are a player fan. Makes sense. GO BA.

You just can't hold the team accountable for any wrongdoing, that's your problem. That and being dramatic about short colors and instagram posts that you "think" are some cheap shot at your team.

Why does the FO have to try and "win" every single negotiation? They usually end up paying the player what they wanted and it's now deep into TC if not later. That helps no one.

why does the FO have to leak out that some of them didn't want to give him an extension? How the hell does that help anything?

look if they had no intentions of signing him, TRADE him. Do it when his worth is the highest pre-draft. Understand that the player actually does have some negotiation power and has all the right in the world to use it…just like you would.

They did try and trade him......BA was the one f**king around.

Its not the fact they have negoiating power its how they use it. To me there is a difference between Bosa and BA. Bosa didnt act like an bipolar 5 year old.

Rumors of a 2nd rd pick from DC before the draft and they said no.

they could have moved him, it would have cost less than what they wanted because he might not have resigned with the new team…tough tits that negotiation power. No one seems to care if the teams uses it.

They could have let him play out his final yr for god sake

Bosa didn't have to request a trade because our FO came out and said zero chance of that happening. You act like BA is the only one who requested a trade, he was like the 4th player to do that with this regime.

again, you're problem is you can't hold the team accountable for letting s**t get to that point. You don't think leaking that the FO might not have wanted to resign him after they just did wouldn't bring any animosity?

BA didn't handle it perfectly, I believe he even said he got too emotional over it. Fans still can't get over it and have a meltdown if he posts anything.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Well, as I've said a couple of different times. I think, when all is said and done, I would have preferred to see them trade Aiyuk and extend Jennings last year, which they probably could have done for half the money. I like Aiyuk, I just don't think he's worth what they're paying him.

Fans spent all last yr making excuses for Brock's play because no one was separating. He was clearly a need.

Jennings is a good WR, he ain't BA. People acting like JJ would never holdout for more cash. Guess what he probably would. It's a business. Fans gotta be able to separate all of it.

Based on what? Here is Jennings 2023 stat line
2023 SF - Jennings
GMS 13
REC 19
TARG 33
REC YDS 265
AVG YPG 20.4
TDS 1

There is no place in the known universe that those stats get him $30 million a year, except may inside of your head. Now here is his stat line for 2024
2024 SF - Jennings

GMS 15
REC 77
TARG 113
REC YDS 975
AVG YPG 12.7
TDS 6

With Deebo gone, Aiyuk out for an unknown length of time, Conley retired, and Robinson maybe suspended for four games, Jennings suddenly becomes the most reliable veteran target on the team through at least the first part of the season. If he ends up putting together another season like last year, or better, than all of the sudden he's put himself in the conversation for a bigger payday. Whereas, if they had extended him before last season, for $15 million a year, or less perhaps, he would cost them half of what they are paying Aiyuk who, as I said, I like, but don't consider to be a game changer the way Jefferson is for Minnesota. As an additional FYI, except for the rec yards, where Aiyuk had 1300 in 2023, the other numbers between Aiyuk's 2023 season and Jennings 2024 season are fairly comparable.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Well, as I've said a couple of different times. I think, when all is said and done, I would have preferred to see them trade Aiyuk and extend Jennings last year, which they probably could have done for half the money. I like Aiyuk, I just don't think he's worth what they're paying him.

Fans spent all last yr making excuses for Brock's play because no one was separating. He was clearly a need.

Jennings is a good WR, he ain't BA. People acting like JJ would never holdout for more cash. Guess what he probably would. It's a business. Fans gotta be able to separate all of it.

Based on what? Here is Jennings 2023 stat line
2023 SF - Jennings
GMS 13
REC 19
TARG 33
REC YDS 265
AVG YPG 20.4
TDS 1

There is no place in the known universe that those stats get him $30 million a year, except may inside of your head. Now here is his stat line for 2024
2024 SF - Jennings

GMS 15
REC 77
TARG 113
REC YDS 975
AVG YPG 12.7
TDS 6

With Deebo gone, Aiyuk out for an unknown length of time, Conley retired, and Robinson maybe suspended for four games, Jennings suddenly becomes the most reliable veteran target on the team through at least the first part of the season. If he ends up putting together another season like last year, or better, than all of the sudden he's put himself in the conversation for a bigger payday. Whereas, if they had extended him before last season, for $15 million a year, or less perhaps, he would cost them half of what they are paying Aiyuk who, as I said, I like, but don't consider to be a game changer the way Jefferson is for Minnesota. As an additional FYI, except for the rec yards, where Aiyuk had 1300 in 2023, the other numbers between Aiyuk's 2023 season and Jennings 2024 season are fairly comparable.

If jj does what he did last yr, he's gonna get like $14-$15M per yr (probably more) Cap space goes up contracts go up. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets Jerry Jeudy like cash.

also why wouldn't he hold out? It's not like this team isn't known got low balling

and no JJ is not the same caliber WR as BA. Love them both though

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Well, as I've said a couple of different times. I think, when all is said and done, I would have preferred to see them trade Aiyuk and extend Jennings last year, which they probably could have done for half the money. I like Aiyuk, I just don't think he's worth what they're paying him.

Fans spent all last yr making excuses for Brock's play because no one was separating. He was clearly a need.

Jennings is a good WR, he ain't BA. People acting like JJ would never holdout for more cash. Guess what he probably would. It's a business. Fans gotta be able to separate all of it.

Based on what? Here is Jennings 2023 stat line
2023 SF - Jennings
GMS 13
REC 19
TARG 33
REC YDS 265
AVG YPG 20.4
TDS 1

There is no place in the known universe that those stats get him $30 million a year, except may inside of your head. Now here is his stat line for 2024
2024 SF - Jennings

GMS 15
REC 77
TARG 113
REC YDS 975
AVG YPG 12.7
TDS 6

With Deebo gone, Aiyuk out for an unknown length of time, Conley retired, and Robinson maybe suspended for four games, Jennings suddenly becomes the most reliable veteran target on the team through at least the first part of the season. If he ends up putting together another season like last year, or better, than all of the sudden he's put himself in the conversation for a bigger payday. Whereas, if they had extended him before last season, for $15 million a year, or less perhaps, he would cost them half of what they are paying Aiyuk who, as I said, I like, but don't consider to be a game changer the way Jefferson is for Minnesota. As an additional FYI, except for the rec yards, where Aiyuk had 1300 in 2023, the other numbers between Aiyuk's 2023 season and Jennings 2024 season are fairly comparable.

If jj does what he did last yr, he's gonna get like $14-$15M per yr. Cap space goes up contracts go up. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets Jerry Jeudy like cash.

also why wouldn't he hold out? It's not like this team isn't known got low balling

and no JJ is not the same caliber WR as BA. Love them both though

You could make an argument that he might hold out if he has another year like last year, but then again, we're not talking about next year, are we? The discussion was about whether it would have been better for the team to extend Jennings LAST YEAR, before the season started, when they might have gotten him to sign a deal in the $12-15 million a year range, and trade Aiyuk. I don't know if Jennings is an URFA next year or not, but if he puts up another season like last year, his price tag is definitely going up. Whereas if they had given him a four-year deal last year, they would have potentially gotten him at a bargain rate.

With the addition of Pearsall last season, and maybe Watkins this year, the team doesn't need Jennings to be as good as Aiyuk, they just need him to be the best Juan Jennings he can be and see if Pearsall and Watkins can fill in the gaps between what Jennings gives them statistically and what they got from Aiyuk, which is about 400 more yards in receptions and one more TD. Doesn't seem like a lot to ask.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
You could make an argument that he might hold out if he has another year like last year, but then again, we're not talking about next year, are we? The discussion was about whether it would have been better for the team to extend Jennings LAST YEAR, before the season started, when they might have gotten him to sign a deal in the $12-15 million a year range, and trade Aiyuk. I don't know if Jennings is an URFA next year or not, but if he puts up another season like last year, his price tag is definitely going up. Whereas if they had given him a four-year deal last year, they would have potentially gotten him at a bargain rate.

With the addition of Pearsall last season, and maybe Watkins this year, the team doesn't need Jennings to be as good as Aiyuk, they just need him to be the best Juan Jennings he can be and see if Pearsall and Watkins can fill in the gaps between what Jennings gives them statistically and what they got from Aiyuk, which is about 400 more yards in receptions and one more TD. Doesn't seem like a lot to ask.

They did extend him last yr.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Since07:
I think its fine to voice your concerns within but to make it public especially during a holdout is unprofessional. I don't recall Rice or Montana doing that I'd like to see evidence. Comparing them to TO and "if" they had instagram they'd be as dramatic is bs. TO didn't have instagram. BA needs to shut up and prove us wrong

So half the league is unprofessional. Quit acting like BA is the only player that's gone that route. Also who gives a crap if they hold out and how they go about trying to get paid? That's none of our business. Those players don't owe us anything. How about our FO stops being notoriously shrewd and get it done all the same? Why do they get a pass all the time?

You don't have to be a holdout player to have diva qualities or hold some animosity towards the franchise (which Joe did).

How about fans need to shut up and stop being hypocritical emotional babies…So long as he's a good teammate and produces on the field who cares? I don't need PR robots like Russell Wilson.

Half the league it's been the way he's gone about it none of us called him a diva until he started posting cryptic passive aggressive posts. Hardly anyone thought Bosa was a diva for holding out and as a fan that's bought 10+ jerseys and countless 9ers things I feel he does owe it to us and the organization to be professional after getting paid. I'm not even mad about hold outs really just be ready when you get paid it appeared he was out of football shape not as bad as Deebo granted. Who gave the front office a pass on all these hold outs? 😂 Your just making things up now

Originally posted by Since07:
Half the league it's been the way he's gone about it none of us called him a diva until he started posting cryptic passive aggressive posts. Hardly anyone thought Bosa was a diva for holding out and as a fan that's bought 10+ jerseys and countless 9ers things I feel he does owe it to us and the organization to be professional after getting paid. I'm not even mad about hold outs really just be ready when you get paid it appeared he was out of football shape not as bad as Deebo granted. Who gave the front office a pass on all these hold outs? 😂 Your just making things up now

Every damn off season players are holding out and asking to be traded

folks in here asking to trade for hendrickson, who's currently holding out…every time there's a top end player holding out or requesting a trade, all of you are up in here saying go get him lol, yet if it's one of our own he's a piece of s**t lol.

what cryptic passive aggressive posts? a pic of TO. Oh wow how horrible. Totally worth getting all riled up over as a fan

oh please folks in here were calling Bosa and Trent divas for holding out. Some of ya'll wanted to move on from Trent all the same.

TD who I've been arguing with hasn't said one thing about the team being part of the problem. The whole situation was done poorly all around.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
I get it now. Your not a team fan. You are a player fan. Makes sense. GO BA.

You just can't hold the team accountable for any wrongdoing, that's your problem. That and being dramatic about short colors and instagram posts that you "think" are some cheap shot at your team.

Why does the FO have to try and "win" every single negotiation? They usually end up paying the player what they wanted and it's now deep into TC if not later. That helps no one.

why does the FO have to leak out that some of them didn't want to give him an extension? How the hell does that help anything?

look if they had no intentions of signing him, TRADE him. Do it when his worth is the highest pre-draft. Understand that the player actually does have some negotiation power and has all the right in the world to use it…just like you would.

They did try and trade him......BA was the one f**king around.

Its not the fact they have negoiating power its how they use it. To me there is a difference between Bosa and BA. Bosa didnt act like an bipolar 5 year old.

Glad we didn't trade him, we would be in trouble right now. Hope he recovers from the injury and returns to his old self, hoping the same for CMC but we will see.