Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
like did you even read the tweet.... "Granted it's not an apples to apples comparison but interesting to note" lol..... not once did it mention rushing him back...
Referencing both tweets, 1st said optimistic by week 1 then you posted Diggs recovery in comparison to Ayuik which seems unfair to compare the two. It would be a miracle if Ayuik hit the field week 1 ready to go
In the diggs tweet it addresses that its not apples to apples comparison and at the end of the day its not outlandish or far fetched to say that Wk1 is a possibility. It also didn't mention forcing him to rush back again as a reminder.
Playing week one is a possibility and wouldn't necessarily mean we are rushing him back. Think I got it, makes sense
The 49ers hopefully learned a valuable lesson. The contract stalemate stretched out far too long in the offseason/preseason. Aiyuk was obviously not ready to play when he did and IMO his lack of conditioning likely had at least something to do with the injury. Aiyuk will probably never be the same and won't come close to producing to his contract. Hopefully, the team sees and owns their part in his injury and avoids similar holdouts in the future.
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
like did you even read the tweet.... "Granted it's not an apples to apples comparison but interesting to note" lol..... not once did it mention rushing him back...
Referencing both tweets, 1st said optimistic by week 1 then you posted Diggs recovery in comparison to Ayuik which seems unfair to compare the two. It would be a miracle if Ayuik hit the field week 1 ready to go
In the diggs tweet it addresses that its not apples to apples comparison and at the end of the day its not outlandish or far fetched to say that Wk1 is a possibility. It also didn't mention forcing him to rush back again as a reminder.
Playing week one is a possibility and wouldn't necessarily mean we are rushing him back. Think I got it, makes sense
Whether Aiyuk comes back at the start of the season or a few weeks later, it won't matter that much. Aiyuk is a good receiver but not a gamer changer. They overpaid when they gave in and signed him last season.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Whether Aiyuk comes back at the start of the season or a few weeks later, it won't matter that much. Aiyuk is a good receiver but not a gamer changer. They overpaid when they gave in and signed him last season.
Originally posted by WINiner:
The 49ers hopefully learned a valuable lesson. The contract stalemate stretched out far too long in the offseason/preseason. Aiyuk was obviously not ready to play when he did and IMO his lack of conditioning likely had at least something to do with the injury. Aiyuk will probably never be the same and won't come close to producing to his contract. Hopefully, the team sees and owns their part in his injury and avoids similar holdouts in the future.
How does the team prevent the contract holdout? Do they just give the player whatever amount of money they are asking for? That doesn't seem realistic.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Whether Aiyuk comes back at the start of the season or a few weeks later, it won't matter that much. Aiyuk is a good receiver but not a gamer changer. They overpaid when they gave in and signed him last season.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Whether Aiyuk comes back at the start of the season or a few weeks later, it won't matter that much. Aiyuk is a good receiver but not a gamer changer. They overpaid when they gave in and signed him last season.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Whether Aiyuk comes back at the start of the season or a few weeks later, it won't matter that much. Aiyuk is a good receiver but not a gamer changer. They overpaid when they gave in and signed him last season.
Define game changer for me please.
Define gamer changer too while you're at it
For me a game changer is a receiver that can make big plays and score a lot of TDs. Someone who can get open deep with speed. Aiyuk is a good receiver but I don't put hm in the same group with some of the better receivers. That's why I think they overpaid. He averages about 1000 yards per season based on if he plays 17 games and 5 TDs. Not bad but not great. I don't see the 49ers season being that much different with or without him. They'll just throw more to Jennings, Kittle and Pearsall. Plus CMC should be back.
Originally posted by genus49:
I will say this about the possible Aiyuk trade.
We all better hope if he's traded that it's for a day 2 pick at minimum.
If we trade Aiyuk for a day 3 pick just to clear that money I will expect this team to blow up very soon and the folks hoping that Kyle/John are gone will get their way sooner rather than later.
Because that will tell me Jed/Paraag are making football decisions now and bad ones. I can't see Kyle and/or John wanting to stick around once the owner and money guy push their weight around where you're selling off your best WR1 in decades for way below value just to clear $.
I think that might be a little harsh. The situation has changed, because there's been an injury. It's always been debatable whether we paid too much for Aiyuk with this contract in the first place. Now post injury and with the unknowns, there is no way we'd give him this contract. Much of this year is Likely to be lost, and the performance for both this year and the next appears to be anybody's guess. That being said, how can we expect another team to assume this contract. And now you're asking another team to do just that and additionally throw in a high draft pick or more as well. Color me skeptical.
Now we are due to make a large payment by April 1st, so we want a trade to go through before that. Time's about up. I am Not suggesting it, but just to understand the worst case options, can someone tell me what happens if we don't make that payment. Is that essentially cutting him, or can there be an injury settlement, and what would our obligations be in that event? Would it be more attractive to Aiyuk to take a settlement, and then find his own deal, and therefore not cooperate with any adjustments to facilitate a trade we're trying to make?
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Whether Aiyuk comes back at the start of the season or a few weeks later, it won't matter that much. Aiyuk is a good receiver but not a gamer changer. They overpaid when they gave in and signed him last season.
Define game changer for me please.
Define gamer changer too while you're at it
For me a game changer is a receiver that can make big plays and score a lot of TDs. Someone who can get open deep with speed. Aiyuk is a good receiver but I don't put hm in the same group with some of the better receivers. That's why I think they overpaid. He averages about 1000 yards per season based on if he plays 17 games and 5 TDs. Not bad but not great. I don't see the 49ers season being that much different with or without him. They'll just throw more to Jennings, Kittle and Pearsall. Plus CMC should be back.
Thanks for giving your definition. Ironically I feel like your own definition means you're off in your point that he's not a game changer.
I would imagine you wouldn't argue against Justin Jefferson being a game changing WR right?
That's comparing their first 4 seasons in the league. They both came in on the same draft. It does remove Aiyuk's last season to give a fair comparison.
Now obviously even in 2 less games JJ leads in every receiving category. But the two things you mention - big play ability and TDs are very close.
Aiyuk averages 14.6 YPR and has 5 less TDs while being fed the ball WAY less. Even with the 2 extra games the targets are miles apart.
BA with 399 targets
JJ with 576 targets
I also don't think it's a coincidence that Aiyuk had his best YPR seasons with Brock as QB. Jimmy would rarely take the bigger plays vs short stuff that was open. Aiyuk has been routinely open down the field without the ball going his way. Not to mention plenty of times where he'd be missed down the field. Just a small reminder
Now if you said your definition of game changer is the type of guy who has to routinely draw double coverage to stop then I'd give you that one but those players are incredibly rare.
Cuz as it stands(his injury being a key unknown) he's had as much of an impact making big time plays and scoring TDs IF given the opportunity. If he went to an offense which feeds its WRs and gave him a QB who isn't afraid to throw down the field his whole career then his numbers would certainly be higher than they've been in our offense.
