Brandon Aiyuk is a Quitter! Pick #25, 2020 NFL Draft

Originally posted by Since07:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5542124/

According to this players with his injury have a 70% chance of returning that's not saying he'll be back at 100% but 30% of players with that injury never see the field again is pretty bad

Interesting, as noted the biggest question that's very hard to predict is not just " how many players come back from such a serious knee injury" but in what capacity as to how good of a player they were before getting injured. The difficult part is that the most important part of an athlete's recovery process is the Mental fortitude to not just recover but to push himself to return to the player he once was, imo, it's a similar question to how one evaluates players for the the draft, I.E. it can be very difficult to tell how tough, determined or dedicated a particular players is or will be in the future.

Originally posted by highway49:

Originally posted by Since07:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5542124/

According to this players with his injury have a 70% chance of returning that's not saying he'll be back at 100% but 30% of players with that injury never see the field again is pretty bad

Interesting, as noted the biggest question that's very hard to predict is not just " how many players come back from such a serious knee injury" but in what capacity as to how good of a player they were before getting injured. The difficult part is that the most important part of an athlete's recovery process is the Mental fortitude to not just recover but to push himself to return to the player he once was, imo, it's a similar question to how one evaluates players for the the draft, I.E. it can be very difficult to tell how tough, determined or dedicated a particular players is or will be in the future.

That's why I'm like don't rush him back week 1. If he'll be fully ready and conditioned by week 6, then wait. No sense in rushing at this point.

With that being said, will he be 100% week 1?

Originally posted by raywm3:
I would trade Aiyuk for a kicking tee if offered. The money, the injury & mostly the attitude. No thx. WR's are a dime-a-dozen these days.

I didn't like his negotiating tactics much either but they weren't that bad. At least he came to camp last year when Bosa and Trent Williams didnt even show up for camp. Other then that his attitude has been fine. You don't see him on the sidelines pouting like you do some WRs when they don't get the ball.

Yall give this man too hard of a time.

Originally posted by raywm3:
I would trade Aiyuk for a kicking tee if offered. The money, the injury & mostly the attitude. No thx. WR's are a dime-a-dozen these days.

You're certainly welcome to your opinion but that last part is hard to take seriously when this team hasn't had a proper WR1 like Aiyuk since maybe TO.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Everyone here drooling over all the cap space we're gonna save. Meanwhile I'm sitting here like "from Deebo + Aiyuk to Jennings + Pearsall.. "

jennings > deebo right now. deebo was very disappointing last season he was reduced to kick return man. jennings i would take over deebo. pearsall was strong the last month. he is a breakout candidate.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by raywm3:
I would trade Aiyuk for a kicking tee if offered. The money, the injury & mostly the attitude. No thx. WR's are a dime-a-dozen these days.

I didn't like his negotiating tactics much either but they weren't that bad. At least he came to camp last year when Bosa and Trent Williams didnt even show up for camp. Other then that his attitude has been fine. You don't see him on the sidelines pouting like you do some WRs when they don't get the ball.

Yall give this man too hard of a time.

Seriously. We didn't hear a peep from the guy before the contract talks got nasty(and let's be honest Paraag has a habit of low balling early) you have to know your audience. Some guys just take it as part of the business and other guys like Aiyuk may get offended and things may get nasty. Everyone should understand the situation. The deal was signed, time to move on.

Meanwhile you have AJ Brown and other WRs talking about not getting the ball enough when they're winning football games and I didn't see Eagles fans looking to trade him.

It's one thing to say he's getting a lot of money and I'm afraid he'll never play at the same level as he did before the injury, that I get. Saying he's not very good is another thing all together.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by raywm3:
I would trade Aiyuk for a kicking tee if offered. The money, the injury & mostly the attitude. No thx. WR's are a dime-a-dozen these days.

You're certainly welcome to your opinion but that last part is hard to take seriously when this team hasn't had a proper WR1 like Aiyuk since maybe TO.

Oh, I agree with you. For a million years it felt like great wideouts were rare but nowadays it just feels like the opposite to me. They're everywhere now, whether through the draft, free-agency or flipping a mid-round pick for one.

Originally posted by raywm3:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by raywm3:
I would trade Aiyuk for a kicking tee if offered. The money, the injury & mostly the attitude. No thx. WR's are a dime-a-dozen these days.

You're certainly welcome to your opinion but that last part is hard to take seriously when this team hasn't had a proper WR1 like Aiyuk since maybe TO.

Oh, I agree with you. For a million years it felt like great wideouts were rare but nowadays it just feels like the opposite to me. They're everywhere now, whether through the draft, free-agency or flipping a mid-round pick for one.

I don't think there are more great receivers. It's just the way the game has changed. Teams are passing more so WRs get more touches and naturally more yards and TDs. Rule changes that don't allow contact after 5 yards have helped too. Then we have those sticky gloves that make catching the ball easier. Add all those things together and we have more yards for WRs.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by raywm3:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by raywm3:
I would trade Aiyuk for a kicking tee if offered. The money, the injury & mostly the attitude. No thx. WR's are a dime-a-dozen these days.

You're certainly welcome to your opinion but that last part is hard to take seriously when this team hasn't had a proper WR1 like Aiyuk since maybe TO.

Oh, I agree with you. For a million years it felt like great wideouts were rare but nowadays it just feels like the opposite to me. They're everywhere now, whether through the draft, free-agency or flipping a mid-round pick for one.

I don't think there are more great receivers. It's just the way the game has changed. Teams are passing more so WRs get more touches and naturally more yards and TDs. Rule changes that don't allow contact after 5 yards have helped too. Then we have those sticky gloves that make catching the ball easier. Add all those things together and we have more yards for WRs.

I think last year's class is kind of muddying up the picture for some people.

We haven't had a WR1 like Aiyuk in like 20+ years. Teams like the Steelers were dying for one.

If you look at the top 10 WRs(per receiving yards) from last year you had

Ja'Marr Chase
Justin Jefferson
Brian Thomas
Drake London
Amon-Ra St Brown
Jerry Jeudy
Malik Nabers
Brock Bowers
Ceedee Lamb
Ladd McConkey

First of all...holy LSU Batman. Top 3 guys all LSU, Malik gives them 4 in the top 7

One common theme among these guys? Targets. The average in targets is 150 per each one. Aiyuk's highest targets were in 2022 where he had 114.

Another thing in common? Almost all of them were first round picks. St Brown and McConkey only guys selected in round 2+, outside of those guys everyone else was at least a top 23 pick.

So yes you can find some really good WRs but you have to be in position to take them and some luck sometimes too.

BA a wash this year. If he comes back mid season or later, will need to time to build up. I think a wash this year. If we can get out of the contract, do so. He won't be the first and he won't be the last WR here. I prefer a new addition as part of the replenish program and someone who can contribute this year. Get him off the books dead money wise as soon as possible.

Originally posted by highway49:

Originally posted by Since07:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5542124/

According to this players with his injury have a 70% chance of returning that's not saying he'll be back at 100% but 30% of players with that injury never see the field again is pretty bad

Interesting, as noted the biggest question that's very hard to predict is not just " how many players come back from such a serious knee injury" but in what capacity as to how good of a player they were before getting injured. The difficult part is that the most important part of an athlete's recovery process is the Mental fortitude to not just recover but to push himself to return to the player he once was, imo, it's a similar question to how one evaluates players for the the draft, I.E. it can be very difficult to tell how tough, determined or dedicated a particular players is or will be in the future.

Navarro Bowman LB 2014
Actually had a bounce back year but you can tell he wasn't quite the same and fizzled out shortly after

Marcus Latimore RB 2012
Never really had a chance to see him in the NFL but he was a superstar in college never was the same

Nick Chubb RB 2023
Looks like his career is over, came back in 2024 only rushing for 330 yards in 8 games averaging 3.3 yards per carry

T.J Hockenson TE 2023
Returned middle of last year and had 450 yards 0 TDs through 10 games in his return

Rob Gronkowski TE 2013
Was able to return and still be dominant, he played more like a Frankenstein with power and contesting catches with his big body so it might have not affected him as much having Tom Brady probably helped as well

Adrain Peterson RB 2011
Now this is the only glimpse of hope of seeing a player coming back at 100%. Not only was he back week won but rushed for 2100 yards 12tds almost breaking the single season rushing record and winning nfl mvp,

Honestly looking at this list isn't very hopeful AP is a literal freak of a human, I thought he only tore his ACL that season. Also Ayuik tore his meniscus on top of the ACL/MCL

Originally posted by Since07:
Navarro Bowman LB 2014
Actually had a bounce back year but you can tell he wasn't quite the same and fizzled out shortly after

Marcus Latimore RB 2012
Never really had a chance to see him in the NFL but he was a superstar in college never was the same

Nick Chubb RB 2023
Looks like his career is over, came back in 2024 only rushing for 330 yards in 8 games averaging 3.3 yards per carry

T.J Hockenson TE 2023
Returned middle of last year and had 450 yards 0 TDs through 10 games in his return

Rob Gronkowski TE 2013
Was able to return and still be dominant, he played more like a Frankenstein with power and contesting catches with his big body so it might have not affected him as much having Tom Brady probably helped as well

Adrain Peterson RB 2011
Now this is the only glimpse of hope of seeing a player coming back at 100%. Not only was he back week won but rushed for 2100 yards 12tds almost breaking the single season rushing record and winning nfl mvp,

Honestly looking at this list isn't very hopeful AP is a literal freak of a human, I thought he only tore his ACL that season. Also Ayuik tore his meniscus on top of the ACL/MCL

Some of these guys literally had their entire knee fall apart. These are not the same. Hell just for fun let's throw Tank Dell in there.

Somehow the internet has equated a straightforward ACL and MCL (healed in November) tear with actual leg amputation.

The NFL needs to start the new season in April because the offseason content gets worse by the year.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by raywm3:
I would trade Aiyuk for a kicking tee if offered. The money, the injury & mostly the attitude. No thx. WR's are a dime-a-dozen these days.

You're certainly welcome to your opinion but that last part is hard to take seriously when this team hasn't had a proper WR1 like Aiyuk since maybe TO.

He must've figured that out and started to try to act like him

Originally posted by JMC52:
He must've figured that out and started to try to act like him

Come on, lol. He's been nothing like TO from an attitude perspective. He used leverage in a hold out.

That said, he's also not close to as good of a player as TO.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Come on, lol. He's been nothing like TO from an attitude perspective. He used leverage in a hold out.

That said, he's also not close to as good of a player as TO.

The most fun I ever had as a 9er fan was watching TO and wondering what he would do to celebrate each week. I'd love to go back!

He had a number of stunts but when he made a score and then ran over to the cheerleaders and took one of their sets of pom poms was just classic. The sharpie was great fun too but those pom poms. Dude.

Football was so much more fun to watch then. Now he'd probably be ejected (-: