Brandon Aiyuk is a Quitter! Pick #25, 2020 NFL Draft

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Some of you genuinely equate a torn ACL to a fully amputated leg. This isn't 1985.

Mid season return? lol

It's most likely he is fully available for camp but sits out preseason. And somewhat likely he misses the first two games. Literally every time the media checks in on his recovery they say he's ahead of schedule. They don't need to say that. They tell us Drake Jackson is way behind in those same conversations.

ACL, MCL and other damage. He had a horrendous knee injury. It's not run of the mill. The surgical techniques are better and the science advanced. But his injury is really bad. No guarantee he will be the same with that.

Adrian Peterson had a similar injury in 2011 on November 20. He came back week 1 of next season and ran for over 2k yards and won MVP which hasn't been done by a RB since then.

Not saying it's a slam dunk BA has a similar recovery and RB and WR(who lives off his route running) are different things BUT as okdkid implied, it's not like he lost a leg. If he's ahead of schedule in his recovery like mentioned it's not crazy to think he can make a full recovery. Now maybe he won't be back to 100% right away but let's see what happens and not bury him already.

Michael Thomas all over again

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Some of you genuinely equate a torn ACL to a fully amputated leg. This isn't 1985.

Mid season return? lol

It's most likely he is fully available for camp but sits out preseason. And somewhat likely he misses the first two games. Literally every time the media checks in on his recovery they say he's ahead of schedule. They don't need to say that. They tell us Drake Jackson is way behind in those same conversations.

ACL, MCL and other damage. He had a horrendous knee injury. It's not run of the mill. The surgical techniques are better and the science advanced. But his injury is really bad. No guarantee he will be the same with that.

Adrian Peterson had a similar injury in 2011 on November 20. He came back week 1 of next season and ran for over 2k yards and won MVP which hasn't been done by a RB since then.

Not saying it's a slam dunk BA has a similar recovery and RB and WR(who lives off his route running) are different things BUT as okdkid implied, it's not like he lost a leg. If he's ahead of schedule in his recovery like mentioned it's not crazy to think he can make a full recovery. Now maybe he won't be back to 100% right away but let's see what happens and not bury him already.

Each one of these types is kind of a one off. So I don't know how bad Peterson's injury was. You can have better and worse even in this category I think. But it's not a simple just ACL. Or MCL alone which would probably just heal on it's own. It's a lot of damage. For every Peterson there are also lots of guys who were never the same with this one. A pretty serious injury. I would think the worst one for a WR. Who relies on stopping, starting, turning, cutting, change of direction to get open. Aiyuk is all about routes. A sturdy, strong knee and explosive legs is essential for that.

Originally posted by replikante:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I read they save a TON if they move him before April 1st. Thats when his new deal money really kicks in. If it's true about the Yorks financial recession this wouldn't surprise me.

Trade Pre-June 1:

$18,400,000 dead cap
$7,650,176 cap savings

Trade Post June 1:

$4,600,000 dead cap
$6,149,824 cap savings

well, this is correct,.... but not the whole thing.
as I understand it (and I could be wrong very eaasily), and focussing on the cap hit (savings are just a reference to the expected cap hit, so don't mean anything):

Trade Pre-June 1:

$18,4 M dead cap in 2025
$0,0M dead cap in 2026

Trade Post June 1:

$4,6M dead cap in 2025
$13,8M dead cap in 2026

the total cap hit in both cases is 18,4M. In the first case the total cap hit comes this year entirely and in the second one is divided btwin 2025 and 2026 but in both cases amounts to 18,4M.

But then there are the "contract triggers" occurring this year before June 1st. On April 1st a total $20,875M become fully guaranteed (2025 season's $4M and 2026's $16M). If I'm not wrong (and there are ample possibilities that I'm) these almost 21M have to be accounted against the cap, one way or another.
So if the trade is made before April 1st the total cap hit would be 18,4M (the 21M cap hit is not triggered).
But if the trade is made after this date you have to add the 21M:
- trade made btwin april 1st and June 1st: the 18,4M+20,9M= $39,3M come entirely this year
- trade made after June1st, the $39,3M cap hit is divided btwin this and next year

So, IF the niners want to trade Aiyuk, and the above is correct, they have to do it before April 1st.
As the current cap space after trading Deebo is around $34M (including Aiyuk's 10M cap hit), if they trade Aiyuk before April 1st they would still have $26M in cap space. While if they do it after, they would have just $5M remaining.

And then there are the injury guarantees. As OTC puts it:
"Another $31 million in injury guarantees vest on April 1, 2025."

I have no clue how this $31M count against the salary cap but I guess that it has to be also accounted one way or another. And this would make the post-April 1st trade even more disadvantageous.

All the information above was taken fron the OTC website:
https://overthecap.com/player/brandon-aiyuk/8765

Correct, they've only paid like $10 million of this new deal. After April it really kicks in. So if it's true they do not like that contract, trading him now means they offloaded 90% of that deal before it ever hit them etc.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Some of you genuinely equate a torn ACL to a fully amputated leg. This isn't 1985.

Mid season return? lol

It's most likely he is fully available for camp but sits out preseason. And somewhat likely he misses the first two games. Literally every time the media checks in on his recovery they say he's ahead of schedule. They don't need to say that. They tell us Drake Jackson is way behind in those same conversations.

ACL, MCL and other damage. He had a horrendous knee injury. It's not run of the mill. The surgical techniques are better and the science advanced. But his injury is really bad. No guarantee he will be the same with that.

MCL was healed months ago.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Some of you genuinely equate a torn ACL to a fully amputated leg. This isn't 1985.

Mid season return? lol

It's most likely he is fully available for camp but sits out preseason. And somewhat likely he misses the first two games. Literally every time the media checks in on his recovery they say he's ahead of schedule. They don't need to say that. They tell us Drake Jackson is way behind in those same conversations.

ACL, MCL and other damage. He had a horrendous knee injury. It's not run of the mill. The surgical techniques are better and the science advanced. But his injury is really bad. No guarantee he will be the same with that.

Adrian Peterson had a similar injury in 2011 on November 20. He came back week 1 of next season and ran for over 2k yards and won MVP which hasn't been done by a RB since then.

Not saying it's a slam dunk BA has a similar recovery and RB and WR(who lives off his route running) are different things BUT as okdkid implied, it's not like he lost a leg. If he's ahead of schedule in his recovery like mentioned it's not crazy to think he can make a full recovery. Now maybe he won't be back to 100% right away but let's see what happens and not bury him already.

Michael Thomas all over again

AD was the exception

Originally posted by JMC52:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Some of you genuinely equate a torn ACL to a fully amputated leg. This isn't 1985.

Mid season return? lol

It's most likely he is fully available for camp but sits out preseason. And somewhat likely he misses the first two games. Literally every time the media checks in on his recovery they say he's ahead of schedule. They don't need to say that. They tell us Drake Jackson is way behind in those same conversations.

ACL, MCL and other damage. He had a horrendous knee injury. It's not run of the mill. The surgical techniques are better and the science advanced. But his injury is really bad. No guarantee he will be the same with that.

Adrian Peterson had a similar injury in 2011 on November 20. He came back week 1 of next season and ran for over 2k yards and won MVP which hasn't been done by a RB since then.

Not saying it's a slam dunk BA has a similar recovery and RB and WR(who lives off his route running) are different things BUT as okdkid implied, it's not like he lost a leg. If he's ahead of schedule in his recovery like mentioned it's not crazy to think he can make a full recovery. Now maybe he won't be back to 100% right away but let's see what happens and not bury him already.

Michael Thomas all over again

AD was the exception

CORRECT... and tho they AD played a different position, AD a beast !!

pretty good wr group of jennings, pearsall and BA. now maybe get keenan allen, fomer cal bear, to help in offseason and early season if BA needs time. that vet would help the young wrs, pearsall and cowing.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by bud49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by miked1978:
__PRESENT__PRESENT

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Some of the focus did shift to him after they started paying him like a #1 and how did that workout for him?

What are you even trying to argue here? He's literally improved statistically every season until last year when he missed camp because of the holdout and then tore his knee up. Are you saying he sucks because he got paid?
__PRESENT

No I'm saying he's always been above average at best and greatly benefitted from the talent around him and when teams shifted some focus to him after he was paid as a #1 he didn't look like a #1WR to me.

To be fair, Aiyuk didn't have an off season. rust was expected.

If he is still here he will be rusty again this year also.

USELESS to this team now... he got his money and the hunger went away... this team needs to find those hungry players...

You're amazing sir. Your ability to tell the future while also getting inside the psyche of the players from your couch is truly special.

Thank you Sir.. You continue to wear them blinders and it prevents you from seeing what is obvious... the moment YUCK posted that " DON'T FORGET HOW YOU GOT HERE " was enough to realize what kind of person he is..

The guy is a very good player, but we can win w/o him.

We went 3-3 with him playing the majority of the games.
We went 3-7 without him.
We lost the one game where he got injured in the first half.

Facts say we did not win w/o him.

Let's talk about those blinders...

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Some of you genuinely equate a torn ACL to a fully amputated leg. This isn't 1985.

Mid season return? lol

It's most likely he is fully available for camp but sits out preseason. And somewhat likely he misses the first two games. Literally every time the media checks in on his recovery they say he's ahead of schedule. They don't need to say that. They tell us Drake Jackson is way behind in those same conversations.

ACL, MCL and other damage. He had a horrendous knee injury. It's not run of the mill. The surgical techniques are better and the science advanced. But his injury is really bad. No guarantee he will be the same with that.

Adrian Peterson had a similar injury in 2011 on November 20. He came back week 1 of next season and ran for over 2k yards and won MVP which hasn't been done by a RB since then.

Not saying it's a slam dunk BA has a similar recovery and RB and WR(who lives off his route running) are different things BUT as okdkid implied, it's not like he lost a leg. If he's ahead of schedule in his recovery like mentioned it's not crazy to think he can make a full recovery. Now maybe he won't be back to 100% right away but let's see what happens and not bury him already.

Michael Thomas all over again

Remind me when Michael Thomas had an ACL/MCL injury? Otherwise you're 100% correct.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
pretty good wr group of jennings, pearsall and BA. now maybe get keenan allen, fomer cal bear, to help in offseason and early season if BA needs time. that vet would help the young wrs, pearsall and cowing.

Allen looked like a shell of himself. I'd love to sign Christian Kirk but he may want more than we'd want to offer. Wouldn't shock me if we brought in one of the Rams former receivers - Atwell, Demarcus Robinson or maybe even Cooks. Guys familiar with the scheme, provide good depth and shouldn't break the bank and have a speed element to their game.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by bud49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by miked1978:
__PRESENT__PRESENT

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Some of the focus did shift to him after they started paying him like a #1 and how did that workout for him?

What are you even trying to argue here? He's literally improved statistically every season until last year when he missed camp because of the holdout and then tore his knee up. Are you saying he sucks because he got paid?
__PRESENT

No I'm saying he's always been above average at best and greatly benefitted from the talent around him and when teams shifted some focus to him after he was paid as a #1 he didn't look like a #1WR to me.

To be fair, Aiyuk didn't have an off season. rust was expected.

If he is still here he will be rusty again this year also.

USELESS to this team now... he got his money and the hunger went away... this team needs to find those hungry players...

You're amazing sir. Your ability to tell the future while also getting inside the psyche of the players from your couch is truly special.

Thank you Sir.. You continue to wear them blinders and it prevents you from seeing what is obvious... the moment YUCK posted that " DON'T FORGET HOW YOU GOT HERE " was enough to realize what kind of person he is..

The guy is a very good player, but we can win w/o him.

We went 3-3 with him playing the majority of the games.
We went 3-7 without him.
We lost the one game where he got injured in the first half.

Facts say we did not win w/o him.

Let's talk about those blinders...

yes, we WON 3 games.. and that's w/o him.. so what point are you making?

did you see me post WE WILL WIN MORE GAMES W/O HIM..

Also, there's a difference when you expect a player to be playing vs knowing that he wont be playing in the upcoming season..

this year, we CAN win MORE games w/o him... because we'll be more prepared... J1 and Slick Rick will be ready to make their stand..

still wearing your blinders?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Some of you genuinely equate a torn ACL to a fully amputated leg. This isn't 1985.

Mid season return? lol

It's most likely he is fully available for camp but sits out preseason. And somewhat likely he misses the first two games. Literally every time the media checks in on his recovery they say he's ahead of schedule. They don't need to say that. They tell us Drake Jackson is way behind in those same conversations.

ACL, MCL and other damage. He had a horrendous knee injury. It's not run of the mill. The surgical techniques are better and the science advanced. But his injury is really bad. No guarantee he will be the same with that.

Adrian Peterson had a similar injury in 2011 on November 20. He came back week 1 of next season and ran for over 2k yards and won MVP which hasn't been done by a RB since then.

Not saying it's a slam dunk BA has a similar recovery and RB and WR(who lives off his route running) are different things BUT as okdkid implied, it's not like he lost a leg. If he's ahead of schedule in his recovery like mentioned it's not crazy to think he can make a full recovery. Now maybe he won't be back to 100% right away but let's see what happens and not bury him already.

Michael Thomas all over again

Remind me when Michael Thomas had an ACL/MCL injury? Otherwise you're 100% correct.

WHY does YUCK needs to have an ACL/MCL injury in order to become useless? the fact is we have two young WRs that will make YOU forget about DEEVAH and YUCK...

Just give them a chance this year ..

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
pretty good wr group of jennings, pearsall and BA. now maybe get keenan allen, fomer cal bear, to help in offseason and early season if BA needs time. that vet would help the young wrs, pearsall and cowing.

Allen looked like a shell of himself. I'd love to sign Christian Kirk but he may want more than we'd want to offer. Wouldn't shock me if we brought in one of the Rams former receivers - Atwell, Demarcus Robinson or maybe even Cooks. Guys familiar with the scheme, provide good depth and shouldn't break the bank and have a speed element to their game.

oh damn, you ait @ genus? I can't believe you continue to be OFF today?

Why would you want Atwell, Demarcus or Cooks.. just because they are familiar w/this offense? better yet, why even consider KIRK even for FREE?

all them will just get in the way of J1, Slick Rick and Lil Train .. trust me, you do not want any of them.. we better off promoting the WRs we have in camp..

plus, the only WR I personally would consider from the list of the FA, may just be PALMER of the Chargers.. and that's M A Y B E...

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Some of you genuinely equate a torn ACL to a fully amputated leg. This isn't 1985.

Mid season return? lol

It's most likely he is fully available for camp but sits out preseason. And somewhat likely he misses the first two games. Literally every time the media checks in on his recovery they say he's ahead of schedule. They don't need to say that. They tell us Drake Jackson is way behind in those same conversations.

ACL, MCL and other damage. He had a horrendous knee injury. It's not run of the mill. The surgical techniques are better and the science advanced. But his injury is really bad. No guarantee he will be the same with that.

Adrian Peterson had a similar injury in 2011 on November 20. He came back week 1 of next season and ran for over 2k yards and won MVP which hasn't been done by a RB since then.

Not saying it's a slam dunk BA has a similar recovery and RB and WR(who lives off his route running) are different things BUT as okdkid implied, it's not like he lost a leg. If he's ahead of schedule in his recovery like mentioned it's not crazy to think he can make a full recovery. Now maybe he won't be back to 100% right away but let's see what happens and not bury him already.

Each one of these types is kind of a one off. So I don't know how bad Peterson's injury was. You can have better and worse even in this category I think. But it's not a simple just ACL. Or MCL alone which would probably just heal on it's own. It's a lot of damage. For every Peterson there are also lots of guys who were never the same with this one. A pretty serious injury. I would think the worst one for a WR. Who relies on stopping, starting, turning, cutting, change of direction to get open. Aiyuk is all about routes. A sturdy, strong knee and explosive legs is essential for that.

Peterson is also a freak of nature...guy was a top 10 all timer with his physical numbers. Aiyuk is certainly not at that level and came into the league with avg speed to begin with.

Originally posted by 9moon:
yes, we WON 3 games.. and that's w/o him.. so what point are you making?

did you see me post WE WILL WIN MORE GAMES W/O HIM..

Also, there's a difference when you expect a player to be playing vs knowing that he wont be playing in the upcoming season..

this year, we CAN win MORE games w/o him... because we'll be more prepared... J1 and Slick Rick will be ready to make their stand..

still wearing your blinders?

You have no clue what you're talking about. Every post you make is a reminder of that. I'd explain it to you but your post history says you're not here to understand the sport better. You're here to get attention. Enjoy it.