Brandon Aiyuk is a Quitter! Pick #25, 2020 NFL Draft

Lets hope Pearsall and Cowing are great. Because it's unlikely he plays here again. Aiyuk is all about the money. How much he can make is all that he cares about.

Make him play here or sit out and lose millions. Pearsall, Deebo and McCaffrey can replace him without any consequences.

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by fropwns:
Remember, Aiyuk does not see himself that way.

I think this is the key. It's not about what any of us think, or hell, even what the 49ers' FO thinks. BA sees himself as a top tier WR like those other guys, and believes he should be paid as such. I think he's wrong. I think he misses the forest for the trees, but ce la vie.

YUCK may be a ONE aqui, but he's not A one .. I'm not sure if he's even a top 10?

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Lets hope Pearsall and Cowing are great. Because it's unlikely he plays here again. Aiyuk is all about the money. How much he can make is all that he cares about.

That's not true. If it was, he would have accepted the deals in NE and Cleveland. I think he wants both to win and the money. I bet he stays here in SF.

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Lets hope Pearsall and Cowing are great. Because it's unlikely he plays here again. Aiyuk is all about the money. How much he can make is all that he cares about.

That's not true. If it was, he would have accepted the deals in NE and Cleveland. I think he wants both to win and the money. I bet he stays here in SF.

Maybe but they better sign him soon. The season kicks off coming up. Most of the WR deals are done. So sign or go on your way.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
No way I am giving him anywhere near Lamb money. That's ridiculous imo.

Jerry Jones is an ego maniac. He loves having the highest paid players at their position. He's done it with players before. We've all become conditioned to the ridiculous money that athletes are making now. Sports were never considered a way to be among the top 300 earners in the whole country. The top 1/10th of 1%.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
No way I am giving him anywhere near Lamb money. That's ridiculous imo.

Yes it is.

Hopefully this Seedy deal speeds things a long, one way or another

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
How is this so confusing? I don't think it's a difficult concept.

On paper Ceedee has put up huge numbers while BAs numbers are speculative. Most realistic observers (like myself) would agree that BA would put up bigger numbers than he does in a different offense...but it is still speculative. Their talent levels are roughly equivalent.

Cede Lamb is 6'2" with a bigger frame. Aiyuk is listed at 6'0" but measured barely under at the combine. Already not the same guy. The numbers put up on yards and TD's are better for Lamb. Cede plays faster than his 40 time on the deep ball. Timed speed they are roughly the similar. But Cede plays faster especially deep. I'd say Lamb is certainly better. I would not put Aiyuk at his level.

Aiyuk has much better #s in terms of averages like YPC. Aiyuk is a more crisp route runner and has the wingspan of a guy 4 inches taller than him. Ceedee isn't a true burner, neither is BA. I think it's similar. I won't say BA is better but I can't say Ceedee clearly is better either.

I would say Lamb is clearly better. But we can disagree on that. The taller frame, more stats on yards and TD's and better deep GAME SPEED (they are close on timed speed) make him better IMO.

You can watch their highlights, the look identical… except for the run blocking

I would say going after the deep ball Lamb is better. He plays faster in GAME SPEED. He also has that tall 6'2" frame to go up and get the ball. I'd put Lamb in the elite category. Aiyuk is in the very good category. But not the top group IMO.

Sounds like you don't watch much of lamb and Aiyuk

I watch a lot of both and Lamb is better. Aiyuk has no claim to being at that level.

If you take out all bias towards the Niners and all hatred towards the Cowboys, yes Seedy is better. I would take him over Aiyuk any day and that's with all the stats that says they are comparable (if they played in the same offense). I just go by the eye test. Seedy does not have 4 other all-pros around him.

Seedy makes their offense "go" and can do it all by himself. He's a true #1 that defenses need to either double cover or tailor their game plan around. If Aiyuk went to the Steelers or the Washingtons, I still don't see defenses needing to double him or game plan around him. Maybe roll coverage towards him here and there.

I think our FO should stand pat at 28 mil because that's his worth.

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
How is this so confusing? I don't think it's a difficult concept.

On paper Ceedee has put up huge numbers while BAs numbers are speculative. Most realistic observers (like myself) would agree that BA would put up bigger numbers than he does in a different offense...but it is still speculative. Their talent levels are roughly equivalent.

Cede Lamb is 6'2" with a bigger frame. Aiyuk is listed at 6'0" but measured barely under at the combine. Already not the same guy. The numbers put up on yards and TD's are better for Lamb. Cede plays faster than his 40 time on the deep ball. Timed speed they are roughly the similar. But Cede plays faster especially deep. I'd say Lamb is certainly better. I would not put Aiyuk at his level.

Aiyuk has much better #s in terms of averages like YPC. Aiyuk is a more crisp route runner and has the wingspan of a guy 4 inches taller than him. Ceedee isn't a true burner, neither is BA. I think it's similar. I won't say BA is better but I can't say Ceedee clearly is better either.

I would say Lamb is clearly better. But we can disagree on that. The taller frame, more stats on yards and TD's and better deep GAME SPEED (they are close on timed speed) make him better IMO.

You can watch their highlights, the look identical… except for the run blocking

I would say going after the deep ball Lamb is better. He plays faster in GAME SPEED. He also has that tall 6'2" frame to go up and get the ball. I'd put Lamb in the elite category. Aiyuk is in the very good category. But not the top group IMO.

Sounds like you don't watch much of lamb and Aiyuk

I watch a lot of both and Lamb is better. Aiyuk has no claim to being at that level.

If you take out all bias towards the Niners and all hatred towards the Cowboys, yes Seedy is better. I would take him over Aiyuk any day and that's with all the stats that says they are comparable (if they played in the same offense). I just go by the eye test. Seedy does not have 4 other all-pros around him.

Seedy makes their offense "go" and can do it all by himself. He's a true #1 that defenses need to either double cover or tailor their game plan around. If Aiyuk went to the Steelers or the Washingtons, I still don't see defenses needing to double him or game plan around him. Maybe roll coverage towards him here and there.

I think our FO should stand pat at 28 mil because that's his worth.

Yeah I agree with a lot of what you said there.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
You're right. That's a valid argument. But I think watching his route running and understanding of the offense/spacing will show he is a big part of (maybe as important as CMC) the success. Not to mention his run blocking.

Some people cause chaos, some people benefit from chaos...

I think BA benefits from what is around him, much more than most players.

Clearly BA benefits more from the system, and players around him than the other guys he wants to be paid similar too.

BA is a good player to have, but he wants generational WR money...and he simply is not that...he is replaceable.

Maybe I am wrong, maybe I am hella wrong... the 49ers might not yet have a replacement for him, but I think the guy will be replaced in a year or two.

BA may never make All-Pro again so he's trying to squeeze out every dollar it.
John and Kyle drafted a 1st RD WR probably to reduce BA's leverage.
If Pearsall or Cowing balls out like the Rams rookies did last year then BA is going to lose a lot of money.

Originally posted by All22:
BA may never make All-Pro again so he's trying to squeeze out every dollar it.
John and Kyle drafted a 1st RD WR probably to reduce BA's leverage.
If Pearsall or Cowing balls out like the Rams rookies did last year then BA is going to lose a lot of money.

Could be a classic case of "pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered".

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Lets hope Pearsall and Cowing are great. Because it's unlikely he plays here again. Aiyuk is all about the money. How much he can make is all that he cares about.

For sure. He proved that when he turned down the pat's trade after they offered him $30+

Let's not act like we aren't better with BA than without.

we will still be a really good offense without him but he is good. If we don't resign him, and he won't play, we will be fine. Just maybe not the #1 O anymore.

I personally think we won't be able to resign him now but who knows. It isn't that I think BA is better than Lamb, I think BA thinks he's as good or so. So I think BA will want more guaranteed money now and $32M a year. I don't see the team doing that.

tbh, I'd rather we throw some of the money at Trent and then resign Demo/Ward. Extend Deebo and hopefully Pearsall/Cowing can be good. That or Aiyuk actually plays on his fifth year and we just tag/trade him next year.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Lets hope Pearsall and Cowing are great. Because it's unlikely he plays here again. Aiyuk is all about the money. How much he can make is all that he cares about.

For sure. He proved that when he turned down the pat's trade after they offered him $30+

I really think Aiyuk had his best leverage and position a few weeks ago and has decided to wait everyone out to try and get the most money. I think he's going to throw a fit now that he won't get more cause of the lamb deal.

I believe it's to a point of accepting the current offer, play on the fifth year, or sit the year.