Originally posted by Leathaface:
The 49ers won't get any acceptable compensation for Aiyuk unless he agrees to sign an extension with said team.
Obviously they can trade him anywhere they want for say a 6th round pick and he can't choose the destination. But that's the level of comp you would get for a 1 year rental. I am sure there are 31 teams that will trade like a 4th-5th rounder for Aiyuk for 1 year. But why would the 49ers do that? They won't.
He does have leverage in this situation and he is using it to force the 49ers to increase their offer (which they already have) or trade him to a spot that he will sign.
49ers can make him play on the 5th year but he can also take the "nuclear option" and just hold out into the season. He will lose a lot of money in this scenario in both the short (2024) and long term (next contract) but if he's set on his principles then it is a card he holds.
He doesn't really have an option. The 49ers can tell him he's playing on a 5th year option, if he holds out, then under the CBA he doesn't accrue the season - he must play for it to count as his 5th year to allow him to get to his next contract.
Further to that, we can franchise tag him for 2 years as well, if he doesn't play those years then he doesn't accrue them either and would still be under contract the next season again.
In short, he has minimal leverage and we've allowed him to explore the market to see his worth.
Originally posted by 9moon:
any team that will give us a 1st would be a FOOH !!!! YUCK maybe that good and we may deserve a 1st rounder, but why would any teams give up their 1st rounder on a guy who wants to be traded.. he ain't a SUPERSTAR .. he aint !!
He's currently coming off an all-pro season with ridiculous metrics given not being peppered with targets like other guys.
I don't think brandin cooks is a "superstar" he got moved twice for a 1st. Hollywood brown got moved with a 1st being part of the deal. Harvin got moved for a 1st…You can't tell me he's worse than those guys.
AJ brown (who I like more) got moved for a 1st and 3rd. BA should be right around there imo. SF doesn't have to move him, so it's gonna take some over compensation to make it work.
End of the day there's too many parts that have to be good for multiple parties to get moved. It's just BA trying to squeeze out a little more cash.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Aug 20, 2024 at 1:08 PM ]
Originally posted by Buchy:
He doesn't really have an option. The 49ers can tell him he's playing on a 5th year option, if he holds out, then under the CBA he doesn't accrue the season - he must play for it to count as his 5th year to allow him to get to his next contract.
Further to that, we can franchise tag him for 2 years as well, if he doesn't play those years then he doesn't accrue them either and would still be under contract the next season again.
In short, he has minimal leverage and we've allowed him to explore the market to see his worth.
He can sit out a certain amount of games and still have an accrued season (can't remember how long he can hold out before it's not accrued) Chris jones did it last yr.
Originally posted by 49ers808:
lol soooooo what exactly are you disagreeing with again? You leaving out my tidbit about if the 49ers like the compensation. As I said, Hassan Reddick is proving MY point, a player having ZERO say. Imma go with the not the brightest comment
I don't know how to explain it any further. All i'm saying is Aiyuk does have a say bc he simply doesnt have to sign an extension with the team that trades for him. Thus no team is going to give us fair value. Thus Aiyuk does have some say in this.
It was reported yesterday Pit was willing to give up a 2nd round pick and offer him 26 million but Aiyuk wouldn't agree to that number. Do you think the Steelers pull that trigger knowing he won't agree?
You just don't get it. You think Aiyuk has some say because he simply doesn't have to sign an extension. And that means what? You think the 49ers can't trade him because of that? I'm saying if they like the compensation, they sure as F can, regardless of how Aiyuk feels or wants. What happens after that is the new team and Aiyuks problem, hence the Reddick reference. If you can't comprehend that then I don't know what to tell you.
Like I originally said, and you disagreed with, if and where a trade happens is 100% up to the 49ers. They are not obligated to trade him or succumb to ANY of his demands, including an extension, point blank period.
The 49ers won't get any acceptable compensation for Aiyuk unless he agrees to sign an extension with said team.
Obviously they can trade him anywhere they want for say a 6th round pick and he can't choose the destination. But that's the level of comp you would get for a 1 year rental. I am sure there are 31 teams that will trade like a 4th-5th rounder for Aiyuk for 1 year. But why would the 49ers do that? They won't.
He does have leverage in this situation and he is using it to force the 49ers to increase their offer (which they already have) or trade him to a spot that he will sign.
49ers can make him play on the 5th year but he can also take the "nuclear option" and just hold out into the season. He will lose a lot of money in this scenario in both the short (2024) and long term (next contract) but if he's set on his principles then it is a card he holds.
Thank you
@miked - The bolded is where it began and stopped with you. You disagreed, but I still don't know what you disagreed with for certain. If it's Aiyuk having any leverage, we can just agree to disagree there. He doesn't. Again, any extension, trade, X, Y, or Z, it's up to the 49ers, not Aiyuk.
@Leatha - My point is that anything that happens is up to the 49ers, not Aiyuk. Increasing their offer or trade to a spot he will sign……up to the 49ers. They are not obligated to do either, no matter how much of a hissy fit or tantrum he throws. We've seen that nuclear option play out before and if that is the card or leverage he wants to use, it's not a very good one. I'll applaud the guy if he has the balls to choose that route
Originally posted by Buchy:
He doesn't really have an option. The 49ers can tell him he's playing on a 5th year option, if he holds out, then under the CBA he doesn't accrue the season - he must play for it to count as his 5th year to allow him to get to his next contract.
Further to that, we can franchise tag him for 2 years as well, if he doesn't play those years then he doesn't accrue them either and would still be under contract the next season again.
In short, he has minimal leverage and we've allowed him to explore the market to see his worth.
He can sit out a certain amount of games and still have an accrued season (can't remember how long he can hold out before it's not accrued) Chris jones did it last yr.
Yes, he can, lose money when the whole point in all of this for him is more money, and then get tagged next year and we do this song and dance again. Great "leverage"
Originally posted by 49erKing:
Remember the time we traded TO for Brandon Whiting, lulz
Yup, Brandon fkin Whiting.
It was a weird situation. Compensation for TO should have been nothing, but his agent screwed up his free agency filing. Then SF had a trade in place with Baltimore for a 2nd, but TO filed a grievance with the league and got that trade nixed. The Eagles trade for Whiting & conditional 5th was the result.
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Yes, he can, lose money when the whole point in all of this for him is more money, and then get tagged next year and we do this song and dance again. Great "leverage"
I mean that's the only leverage they have. He's got all the right in the world to do it. Not super smart because he will never recoup that missed cash, but I'm not gonna hate on a player trying to get whatever he can…even if it is annoying.
I'll root for him the moment he steps on the field and catches TDs.
Sources: The #49ers and WR Brandon Aiyuk had another meeting yesterday and talks continue to progress on a long-term contract extension. There has been movement on a deal, but there are some minor details that still need to be ironed out with ownership approval. pic.twitter.com/Z0OWumelSF
Sources: The #49ers and WR Brandon Aiyuk had another meeting yesterday and talks continue to progress on a long-term contract extension. There has been movement on a deal, but there are some minor details that still need to be ironed out with ownership approval. pic.twitter.com/Z0OWumelSF
Sources: The #49ers and WR Brandon Aiyuk had another meeting yesterday and talks continue to progress on a long-term contract extension. There has been movement on a deal, but there are some minor details that still need to be ironed out with ownership approval. pic.twitter.com/Z0OWumelSF
