🏆 SF 49ERS vs KC CHIEFS PREGAME THREAD - SUPER BOWL LIV 🏆

Originally posted by wailers15:
Their speed is scary

Got to get physical with them.

This is how you disrupt the "unbeatable" offense.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
Back in 1984 the Dolphins had the most explosive QB in Dan Marino. He threw 48 touchdowns during the season and had the Marks brothers, Duper and Clayton to run past defenders. Fast forward to 2020 and the most explosive QB on the planet with super fast receivers. To quote Keena Turner from America's Game 1984, once a QB gets hit enough I don't care who he is, he becomes ordinary.

I wouldn't compare a statue to one of the most dynamic QB's in the NFL who also happens to be cerebral. Mahomes is no joke.

Mahomes is better than Dan Marino now?

No he's not. My point is that they are dangerous in very different ways. Marino was elusive within the pocket. Mahomes is in his element outside the pocket when the play starts to breakdown.

I didn't see your comment until now, yours is reasonable and I agree. The one I replied to is implying that Mahomes is superior to Marino which is a joke. Mahomes will literally have to have the game of his life to beat this defense. Even then our offense can still outscore them. I just don't see how we lose this game, aside from being -2 or worse in the turnover battle.

Wow. The implication wasn't that Mahomes is superior. It was that Mahomes is not Marino in that he is mobile and is successful using a different style. So the comparison of playing a game vs Marino is not the same as playing a game vs Mahomes in terms of defensive strategy.

You implied NONE of that with your comment. You responded to someone saying that we're facing another QB who everyone is saying is "unstoppable." This narrative has been pushed many times in history, and great defenses have found ways to win. We will too.

Just wow.

I know, words are hard.

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
Back in 1984 the Dolphins had the most explosive QB in Dan Marino. He threw 48 touchdowns during the season and had the Marks brothers, Duper and Clayton to run past defenders. Fast forward to 2020 and the most explosive QB on the planet with super fast receivers. To quote Keena Turner from America's Game 1984, once a QB gets hit enough I don't care who he is, he becomes ordinary.

I wouldn't compare a statue to one of the most dynamic QB's in the NFL who also happens to be cerebral. Mahomes is no joke.

Mahomes is better than Dan Marino now?

No he's not. My point is that they are dangerous in very different ways. Marino was elusive within the pocket. Mahomes is in his element outside the pocket when the play starts to breakdown.

I didn't see your comment until now, yours is reasonable and I agree. The one I replied to is implying that Mahomes is superior to Marino which is a joke. Mahomes will literally have to have the game of his life to beat this defense. Even then our offense can still outscore them. I just don't see how we lose this game, aside from being -2 or worse in the turnover battle.

Wow. The implication wasn't that Mahomes is superior. It was that Mahomes is not Marino in that he is mobile and is successful using a different style. So the comparison of playing a game vs Marino is not the same as playing a game vs Mahomes in terms of defensive strategy.

You implied NONE of that with your comment. You responded to someone saying that we're facing another QB who everyone is saying is "unstoppable." This narrative has been pushed many times in history, and great defenses have found ways to win. We will too.

Furlow just stop, you're CLEARLY wrong lol

You CLEARLY aren't following this entire conversation.

Originally posted by JedYork510:

Originally posted by Niners_D:
I would be curious to see the Chiefs vs. Chargers games this year. Both were Chiefs victories but:

Game 1: 24-17
Mahomes: 19-32, 182 YDS, 1 TD, 1 INT
Mahomes: 5 CAR, 59 YDS

Game 2: 31-21
Mahomes: 16-25, 174 YDS, 1 TD, 1 INT
Williams: 12 CAR, 124 YDS, 2 TD
Mahomes 7 CAR, 21 YDS

Wasn't hill hurt for both those games?

Hill wasnt hurt for the 2nd game that was in week 17. KC honestly had 2 kind of fluke tds that propelled them in game 2. A hardman KR for a TD and a Damien Williams 85 yard td run where the Chargers didnt tackle and maybe thought the play was over. Mahomes threw 2 INTs (1 was called back by a penalty on the defense). Chargers definitely slowed them down which is exactly what SF needs to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX3IfYegirI

Philip Rivers literally imploded in the first game. Threw 4 picks. With 4 picks you'd think KC would've score alot more than 24 points. Whoever said the coaches need to watch the Chargers film is right. They are onto KC. But they are also a division opponent so they know them well kinda how the Cardinals gave us trouble this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzopYVd2wzY

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Snitch:


"Something has to be said about the Niners. They're success is misleading. They played a very light schedule and had little competition in a soft NFC this year. They're more like paper tigers than a cat that's actually dangerous. Still a good team, sure. But not a real threat to this high octane Chiefs team. Not even close."

I guess us having one of the toughest 2nd half schedules doesn't count. On top of the fact that the Vikings and Packers > Texans and Titans.

This is too good.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=328296&page=10

Man what a bunch of idiots lol.

I really hope they read stuff in this forum as well.

There's so many hilarious things in there. They obviously don't have a sus or CC to keep them grounded, just tons of homers.
"Most complete team, got them playing at a high level, front 7, Richard Sherman, George Kittle. Heard it before. Still not enough. Gonna be tough to beat us because eventually we will find a way to beat them and the way playoff games are nowdays with the huge timeouts and commercials, our defense won't be taxed at all playing in 50-60 degree weather. Expect a total blowout."

"Kyle will do everything to keep from having to put the game on Jimmy G's back to win. Kyle hopes he can Trent Dilfer/Mark Rypien his way through to a SB win with his defense for sure."

These guys obviously didn't watch the last 5 games of the season. They've just watched the 2 playoff games, LOL. Well, RIP them.

I feel dumber for visiting their forum. Oh myy

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Snitch:

"Something has to be said about the Niners. They're success is misleading. They played a very light schedule and had little competition in a soft NFC this year. They're more like paper tigers than a cat that's actually dangerous. Still a good team, sure. But not a real threat to this high octane Chiefs team. Not even close."

I guess us having one of the toughest 2nd half schedules doesn't count. On top of the fact that the Vikings and Packers > Texans and Titans.

This is too good.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=328296&page=10

Man what a bunch of idiots lol.

I really hope they read stuff in this forum as well.

There's so many hilarious things in there. They obviously don't have a sus or CC to keep them grounded, just tons of homers.
"Most complete team, got them playing at a high level, front 7, Richard Sherman, George Kittle. Heard it before. Still not enough. Gonna be tough to beat us because eventually we will find a way to beat them and the way playoff games are nowdays with the huge timeouts and commercials, our defense won't be taxed at all playing in 50-60 degree weather. Expect a total blowout."

So Chiefs are going to blow us out because, super bowl commercials....

Well alright then....

Jim Rome said it best. This team is just physical on offense and defense. If we can establish the run and get after mahomes it's ours.

Originally posted by JedYork510:

Originally posted by Niners_D:
I would be curious to see the Chiefs vs. Chargers games this year. Both were Chiefs victories but:

Game 1: 24-17
Mahomes: 19-32, 182 YDS, 1 TD, 1 INT
Mahomes: 5 CAR, 59 YDS

Game 2: 31-21
Mahomes: 16-25, 174 YDS, 1 TD, 1 INT
Williams: 12 CAR, 124 YDS, 2 TD
Mahomes 7 CAR, 21 YDS

Wasn't hill hurt for both those games?

He got hurt during the first one. But he played the 2nd one.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Snitch:

"Something has to be said about the Niners. They're success is misleading. They played a very light schedule and had little competition in a soft NFC this year. They're more like paper tigers than a cat that's actually dangerous. Still a good team, sure. But not a real threat to this high octane Chiefs team. Not even close."

I guess us having one of the toughest 2nd half schedules doesn't count. On top of the fact that the Vikings and Packers > Texans and Titans.

This is too good.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=328296&page=10

Man what a bunch of idiots lol.

I really hope they read stuff in this forum as well.

There's so many hilarious things in there. They obviously don't have a sus or CC to keep them grounded, just tons of homers.
"Most complete team, got them playing at a high level, front 7, Richard Sherman, George Kittle. Heard it before. Still not enough. Gonna be tough to beat us because eventually we will find a way to beat them and the way playoff games are nowdays with the huge timeouts and commercials, our defense won't be taxed at all playing in 50-60 degree weather. Expect a total blowout."

"Kyle will do everything to keep from having to put the game on Jimmy G's back to win. Kyle hopes he can Trent Dilfer/Mark Rypien his way through to a SB win with his defense for sure."

These guys obviously didn't watch the last 5 games of the season. They've just watched the 2 playoff games, LOL. Well, RIP them.

The confidence they have is great but they also fail to mention that they play in one of the weakest divisions in football. Of course your offense is going to be explosive when you play the raiders, broncos and chargers 6 times a year in total. Especially when Rivers did his best job to gift turnovers to opposing teams all year.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

They lost to the Packers in the regular season, we beat the Packers twice

they also lost to the texans, titans, and colts

To be fair Mahomes was out

Originally posted by jonnydel:

For the old guys that remember the SB vs the Dolphins. Fan marino came in with the list explosive passing offense the league had ever seen and wouldn't see again for almost 30 years, they were unstoppable.

After Danny boy went 10/11, the pass rush started to get home and we rolled them 38-17. That's how I see this game going. We only have to stop mahomes from scoring on 3 drives total. If we do that, I believe our offense is efficient enough against them that we take home the Lombardi.
I do not fear them.

My brother and I were lucky enough to be at the game at Stanford stadium, where you literally are right on the field. At that time there was no track and field rimming the field. We sat amongst al Miami fans and they were really knowledgeable football fans. They applauded good plays even if by the 9ers.

Marino was good, but he was no Mahomes. This guy is incredible, able to throw no look passes across his body that just blow your mind. Also he is pinpoint accurate. Unfortunately, watching some recent games film, he is as dangerous running as he is passing. Titans really played his running TD miserably , however.

Mahomes to me just seems to be a qB like we have never seen before. Entire question is whether our DLine rush can even out the mahomes factor. We have the best front 7 in the league but Mahommes is just something special.

GMFB's Peter Schrager, who has been a 49er believer all yr, just kind of shakes his head when he talks about mahomes and his passing/running. In the end , can our D keep mahomes from being the MVP with his arm. Also, can we match them in a shootout? Jimmy G has done that in N.O, and that was no picnic, yet we won. Still, i think mahomes is a way bigger problem than Brees and Sean Payton. Also Andy Reid is one of the few really brite lites in O football. He is constantly changing things up, just like kyle.

Normally kyle is a huge advantage over opponents HC. In N.O, it was even. Against Reid....HCs are equal. Teamwise we have the advantage when you go thru each position, except at QB. And there, definitely KC has the edge. No flies on JG, but mahomes...is just hard to match. He has Tyrek Hill and Kielce among others but overall i like our talent better.

So can a magician QB from KC outshine a SF team that has overall better talent? The DL passrush either wins it for us, or it's going to be a long day. JimmyG could get in a shoot out with mahomes, but there, they have the advantage. KC has only had one game this yr where they scored less than 30 (or maybe it is 32 ) pts. Kinda like our average.

Only bet i'd Consider would be the over at 54. Got a feeling it is going to be reached relatively early.

I guess my only thing is that he needs that as his steady diet. If you can limit his running and make him throw from the pocket, he's nothing extraordinary, in terms of head and shoulders above any other QB. Not saying that's easy, at all, but the plan, first and foremost, has to be contain.
I can see why he was passed over by a few teams, in terms of, he has to see it throw it. He's not a big time anticipation thrower. But, IF he see's it he's gonna throw a dart on a rope.
He's like a better throwing version of Kaepernick. He's a smart guy, understands coverages, has a real knack for maneuvering in the pocket, big time arm, struggles in a rhythm offense if the first read isn't there, relies heavily on the roll out and making a play.
What's not talked about is how many yards after catch his guys get. If you make him take what's underneath and methodically drive down the field, they're not going to beat you.

I like how our defense matches up. Think about when Seattle lost to NE in the SB. We're running a very similar scheme and NE was an explosive offensive team that year. But, they weren't in the SB. TB won because he took the 5, 6, 7 yard passes all game long and methodically drove the ball down the field. Mahomes isn't that guy. He's so aggressive he wants the big play every play. As long we keep everything in front of us and those edge guys contain, I feel good. I don't see them putting up more than 20 if that happens. If not, I still don't see them putting up more than 27.
I do not fear them.

Great response and also your much later one to do a contain on mahomes, No question he has a lot of Russ Wilson in him when it comes to bailing out if first read is gone. Whereas he isn't terribly fast, he is really quick. One thing that is a huge difference is his ability to see wider than 180 degrees. Some call this "He has eyes in the back of his head." I once saw the great Bob Cousy, best pure passer in basketball about a million yrs ago...walk into a room and he could see at least 30 degrees past the 180 degree mark on each side.

I got no explanation for that other than Mahomes has "it " also. But i like your idea of contain, something Nicky B will have to control because sometimes he makes a beeline instead of containing. Once established, then he can go for the sack/hit/ hurry. The real question for me is just how good is our DL? To me i have never seen one better, with Dee healthy. And he is as of now. Question is , is THAT fast enough? If we literally hit and pound mahomes all day, he may start playing a little less well...we'll see on that one. I HOPE we get to him...but that is my one BIG question. Can we?

If they get up on us, then it will be interesting to see how JG plays. We've already seen him in N.O, so we KNOW he can do it. But kyle hasn't given Andy Reid anything to think about except our Run O. We know JG can do it. They may not, tho surely they have seen all our film . What a fascinating matchup, and i got no idea how this plays out. If we contain, and if we pound on mahomes, we win. Otherwise, IDK. Pick 'Em.

Originally posted by smithgdwg:

At least we can acknowledge that KC is a great team that is going to take everything we got to beat them.

KC fans think they can just walk through this game and win.

They are going to get a rude awakening like the Ravens fans did when we played them at their house and almost beat them, and the Saints fans when we showed them what Jimmy was capable of.

I hope that's what KCs team is thinking. It will be real easy that way. Jimmy is ELITE. He will show it in the SB if they need him to. NO DOUBT IN MY MIND. Keep saying Jimmy is meh and the 49ers cant stop them. I hope our players are reading that crap. Going to be epic.

If KC jumps out to an early lead I'm expecting an unexpected power outage in the stadium to allow SF to regroup.

Originally posted by xfactor67:

The confidence they have is great but they also fail to mention that they play in one of the weakest divisions in football. Of course your offense is going to be explosive when you play the raiders, broncos and chargers 6 times a year in total. Especially when Rivers did his best job to gift turnovers to opposing teams all year.

Chiefs are fast, but I think they're going to be surprised by the Niners team speed on D. That, and this team just hits different than anyone else they've faced.

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Snitch:


"Something has to be said about the Niners. They're success is misleading. They played a very light schedule and had little competition in a soft NFC this year. They're more like paper tigers than a cat that's actually dangerous. Still a good team, sure. But not a real threat to this high octane Chiefs team. Not even close."

I guess us having one of the toughest 2nd half schedules doesn't count. On top of the fact that the Vikings and Packers > Texans and Titans.

This is too good.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=328296&page=10

Man what a bunch of idiots lol.

I really hope they read stuff in this forum as well.

There's so many hilarious things in there. They obviously don't have a sus or CC to keep them grounded, just tons of homers.
"Most complete team, got them playing at a high level, front 7, Richard Sherman, George Kittle. Heard it before. Still not enough. Gonna be tough to beat us because eventually we will find a way to beat them and the way playoff games are nowdays with the huge timeouts and commercials, our defense won't be taxed at all playing in 50-60 degree weather. Expect a total blowout."

So Chiefs are going to blow us out because, super bowl commercials....

Well alright then....

The laughs keep coming:
Niners are tou"gh but overrated. They had a soft schedule in the regular season. And the team they beat in the NFCC nearly lost to good Ole' Midnight Hour. Their DL is great but their secondary cant come close to matching our speed. I'm very confident.

Two words I have to describe the Niners: Uncontested. Unexplosive."

"uncontested, unexplosive"
Are you F'ing kidding me? I guess it was just an "unexplosive" offense that managed to score more PPG than theirs and 30 other teams in the NFL.