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Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Sorry, man - it's the way I feel.

this makes no sense tbh

if there's someone you should be mad at it's bill walsh. he traded for steve and then promised him he'd start. being upset because a player wants to play is, odd...

I know it maybe odd, but it's just how I felt at the time and even as time has passed, I still have the same strong feelings about it.

Didn't you recently divulge that you are 26?

No, your thinking of someone else, I'm 50.

No it was you. I think it was the Warriors thread. Folks thought you were pretty young based on your posts and you responded that you were 26 and they were surprised . You may have been joking, but you said you were 26.

Yeah, I was joking.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by aQBnamedtouchback:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by aQBnamedtouchback:
Originally posted by Mayor:
Haley was cancerous in the locker room.

Yeah, but why trade to Dallas of all teams. Why not the the browns? They should have got him the help and been patient. That s**t cost us 92 and 93. If Dallas doesn't have Haley they would not have been as good period. Still contenders, but not as good. That's like trading Bosa to the Packers or Seattle.

Yeah, trade him out of conference or something. But, no it had to be Dallas, who we faced in the NFCCG it seemed like every year.

Does anyone know what was Seifert's reasoning for trading Haley to Dallas? Was he senile or what? I wasn't old enough to remember.

Seifert didn't trade him, Policy and Eddie D did, and it was because he was a menace in the locker room. He was in dire need of bipolar medication, but wasn't diagnosed. He used to bully and attack people regularly. He would masturbate in front of teammates in the locker room while talking about their wife, he crapped on a position coaches desk, and the final straw was when he threatened Jerry Rice. I don't blame them at all for trading him, but its a shame he couldn't be controlled after Ronnie Lott left.

How could you trade a talent like Haley to your #1 nemesis? Did the Niners even contact any other team for trade? I honestly believe this was a calculated move, as they knew Haley was a disruption, and they hoped he would rip apart the cowboys organization internally. Unfortunately, it totally backfired.
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Originally posted by JimA49ers:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by aQBnamedtouchback:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by aQBnamedtouchback:
Originally posted by Mayor:
Haley was cancerous in the locker room.

Yeah, but why trade to Dallas of all teams. Why not the the browns? They should have got him the help and been patient. That s**t cost us 92 and 93. If Dallas doesn't have Haley they would not have been as good period. Still contenders, but not as good. That's like trading Bosa to the Packers or Seattle.

Yeah, trade him out of conference or something. But, no it had to be Dallas, who we faced in the NFCCG it seemed like every year.

Does anyone know what was Seifert's reasoning for trading Haley to Dallas? Was he senile or what? I wasn't old enough to remember.

Seifert didn't trade him, Policy and Eddie D did, and it was because he was a menace in the locker room. He was in dire need of bipolar medication, but wasn't diagnosed. He used to bully and attack people regularly. He would masturbate in front of teammates in the locker room while talking about their wife, he crapped on a position coaches desk, and the final straw was when he threatened Jerry Rice. I don't blame them at all for trading him, but its a shame he couldn't be controlled after Ronnie Lott left.

How could you trade a talent like Haley to your #1 nemesis? Did the Niners even contact any other team for trade? I honestly believe this was a calculated move, as they knew Haley was a disruption, and they hoped he would rip apart the cowboys organization internally. Unfortunately, it totally backfired.

Yeah, he ended up being a perfect fit for them.
[ Edited by mayo49 on Jan 2, 2020 at 8:19 AM ]
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by smithgdwg:

God, I hate that guy.


How could anyone hate young lol

Seriously. Young is my all time favorite player EVER. Unbelievable talent, heart, and determination. Loved watching him play.

Yeah Idk.

The other Young... BY, who was my favorite player for a long time. My friend told me that he was an a*****e to him at SJSU. I've heard it from another football player from there too.

So yeah... BY maybe, but Steve Young there's no logical reason to hate.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by smithgdwg:

God, I hate that guy.


How could anyone hate young lol

Seriously. Young is my all time favorite player EVER. Unbelievable talent, heart, and determination. Loved watching him play.

Yeah Idk.

The other Young... BY, who was my favorite player for a long time. My friend told me that he was an a*****e to him at SJSU. I've heard it from another football player from there too.

So yeah... BY maybe, but Steve Young there's no logical reason to hate.

Its hard to call famous people a-holes, because you cant really know what its like to be approached by random people constantly who want something. At some point you have to be kind of a dick, or youll waste too much of your life people pleasing. Too many fans are selfish and rude, so its off putting. Some people are very generous and patient, some just arent wired that way. Hard to stamp them a jerk under brief circumstances from individual sources.

You hear famous people talk about fans interrupting them out to dinner with their families for pictures. Then when the celebrity tells them to kick rocks they go tell everyone that person is a dick.
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Originally posted by Niners99:
Its hard to call famous people a-holes, because you cant really know what its like to be approached by random people constantly who want something. At some point you have to be kind of a dick, or youll waste too much of your life people pleasing. Too many fans are selfish and rude, so its off putting. Some people are very generous and patient, some just arent wired that way. Hard to stamp them a jerk under brief circumstances from individual sources.

You hear famous people talk about fans interrupting them out to dinner with their families for pictures. Then when the celebrity tells them to kick rocks they go tell everyone that person is a dick.

I like young very much but at the time and still am... of the opinion.. we should have kept montana. groomed bono. traded young who lost two nfc title games in a row. that was when the fan base, unlike now. did not tolerate losing those sorts of games . you trade him to the chiefs for derrick thomas. you then should have kept lott which meant you could keep haley. the defense would be fixed. we would never have had to go to salary cap hell in order to buy steve young a defense. and by keeping montana. the team would have been forced to address the running back spot which they never did after ricky left which cost us bad
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Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
Bill Walsh once said, 'It's better to get rid of a player a year early rather than a year too late.'

that worked with craig . should have dumped him early but failed miserably with lott
Who hates steve young?
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Its hard to call famous people a-holes, because you cant really know what its like to be approached by random people constantly who want something. At some point you have to be kind of a dick, or youll waste too much of your life people pleasing. Too many fans are selfish and rude, so its off putting. Some people are very generous and patient, some just arent wired that way. Hard to stamp them a jerk under brief circumstances from individual sources.

You hear famous people talk about fans interrupting them out to dinner with their families for pictures. Then when the celebrity tells them to kick rocks they go tell everyone that person is a dick.

I like young very much but at the time and still am... of the opinion.. we should have kept montana. groomed bono. traded young who lost two nfc title games in a row. that was when the fan base, unlike now. did not tolerate losing those sorts of games . you trade him to the chiefs for derrick thomas. you then should have kept lott which meant you could keep haley. the defense would be fixed. we would never have had to go to salary cap hell in order to buy steve young a defense. and by keeping montana. the team would have been forced to address the running back spot which they never did after ricky left which cost us bad

First off, Bono was not a good starter. I lived in KC while he was the starter. Everyone hated him. You're talking about trading away a HOF QB in favor of grooming Steve Bono. Mega derp. The rest of your plan is all 20/20 hindsight, woulda shoulda coulda. Obviously we should've kept Lott, gotten Haley help, kept Watters, etc. We let Lott leave because his best years were behind him. We were an elite team in the early 90's, things just didn't go our way at the end. As the 1990 nfc championship game proved, a Montana led team was not immune from an upset defeat at the end. Young gets crucified for losing in 92 and 93, but we didn't get it done in 90 either.

Montana was retired by the end of 1994. So from 95-99 we would've had nothing at QB while Young made KC a regular SB contender.

The anti-Young sentiment is such a weird stance from some Niners fans. They just want to close their eyes and pretend Montana would've just had another magical decade in the 90's.
Yikes didn't mean to bring up the Young/Montana bad blood. Just wanted to refer to us getting the Seattle monkey off our back.
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Originally posted by Niners99:
First off, Bono was not a good starter. I lived in KC while he was the starter. Everyone hated him. You're talking about trading away a HOF QB in favor of grooming Steve Bono. Mega derp. The rest of your plan is all 20/20 hindsight, woulda shoulda coulda. Obviously we should've kept Lott, gotten Haley help, kept Watters, etc. We let Lott leave because his best years were behind him. We were an elite team in the early 90's, things just didn't go our way at the end. As the 1990 nfc championship game proved, a Montana led team was not immune from an upset defeat at the end. Young gets crucified for losing in 92 and 93, but we didn't get it done in 90 either.

Montana was retired by the end of 1994. So from 95-99 we would've had nothing at QB while Young made KC a regular SB contender.

The anti-Young sentiment is such a weird stance from some Niners fans. They just want to close their eyes and pretend Montana would've just had another magical decade in the 90's.
montana would have won those games vs the cowboys. he never s**t down his leg in big games. bono. in our system on our team would have thrived in my opinion. aside from joe the guys we had to went to kc did nothing. you are wrong about lott. he proved he could still play and we lost a huge leader which does not show up in quik stats, terrible mistake. we lost the 90 game because we kept craig to long
Originally posted by cciowa:
I like young very much but at the time and still am... of the opinion.. we should have kept montana. groomed bono. traded young who lost two nfc title games in a row. that was when the fan base, unlike now. did not tolerate losing those sorts of games . you trade him to the chiefs for derrick thomas. you then should have kept lott which meant you could keep haley. the defense would be fixed. we would never have had to go to salary cap hell in order to buy steve young a defense. and by keeping montana. the team would have been forced to address the running back spot which they never did after ricky left which cost us bad

Agree....Young was a great QB, but Montana was better still.
Originally posted by smithgdwg:
Yikes didn't mean to bring up the Young/Montana bad blood. Just wanted to refer to us getting the Seattle monkey off our back.

You might as well throw an Alex Smith meme in here while you're at it
Originally posted by Ottawa49er:
Originally posted by cciowa:
I like young very much but at the time and still am... of the opinion.. we should have kept montana. groomed bono. traded young who lost two nfc title games in a row. that was when the fan base, unlike now. did not tolerate losing those sorts of games . you trade him to the chiefs for derrick thomas. you then should have kept lott which meant you could keep haley. the defense would be fixed. we would never have had to go to salary cap hell in order to buy steve young a defense. and by keeping montana. the team would have been forced to address the running back spot which they never did after ricky left which cost us bad

Agree....Young was a great QB, but Montana was better still.


Personally I dont really blame Young for those nfc championship losses, or any other playoff loss they took during his run. Even though the team did a lot of winning in the 90s, they also made some dicey roster decisions, but trading Montana wasn't one of them, although I can understand why people would make a case for it. the ones that hurt the most was trading Charles Haley and letting Ricky Watters walk, especially Haley. Could you imagine the early 90s 49ers roster if they would've just dealt with his antics???? He would've been a trump card, if the card literally flipped the table over, and shot the other player! Those 90s Cowboys would've been nothing more than a stepping stone for those teams
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Originally posted by ProfessorKel:
Originally posted by smithgdwg:
Yikes didn't mean to bring up the Young/Montana bad blood. Just wanted to refer to us getting the Seattle monkey off our back.

You might as well throw an Alex Smith meme in here while you're at it
i will say. unlike joe vs steve., alex and ck were very professional about the controversy. joe and steve were nasty using the media and fellow team mates to divide the team.
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