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Originally posted by genus49:Can someone explain to me why Colbert was ejected from the game? I mean it's preseason but are we seriously going to be ejecting players for hits like that once the real games start?
Is that the rule change? 1 hit and you're out? Talk about handing more control of the game to the refs.
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Originally posted by Waterbear:Originally posted by genus49:Can someone explain to me why Colbert was ejected from the game? I mean it's preseason but are we seriously going to be ejecting players for hits like that once the real games start?
Is that the rule change? 1 hit and you're out? Talk about handing more control of the game to the refs.
Idk but I just rewatched the play and when Colbert hits him the ball is 5 yards behind them. It's a bang bang play but Colbert needs to be smarter.
Originally posted by genus49:
Can someone explain to me why Colbert was ejected from the game? I mean it's preseason but are we seriously going to be ejecting players for hits like that once the real games start?
Is that the rule change? 1 hit and you're out? Talk about handing more control of the game to the refs.
Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by Waterbear:Originally posted by genus49:Can someone explain to me why Colbert was ejected from the game? I mean it's preseason but are we seriously going to be ejecting players for hits like that once the real games start?
Is that the rule change? 1 hit and you're out? Talk about handing more control of the game to the refs.
Idk but I just rewatched the play and when Colbert hits him the ball is 5 yards behind them. It's a bang bang play but Colbert needs to be smarter.
This. The ball landed like 20 yards behind Colbert who was CLEARLY not playing the ball but the receiver. It also hit his chin and gave the WR a concussion. Defenseless was correct. Ejection was the right call IMHO.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm not sure when this started but the NFL is in full paranoia mode when it comes to protecting players. I can remember when the first team played at least the first half of every game but the 3rd or 4th. They actually used to play 6 games. Now you barely see a starter on the field for many of the games. The Niners tool it to the extreme this week when the only possible starter that saw the field other than the kicker and punter was Pettis and maybe a DB since that's still unsettled. I know they're trying to protect these guys but you have to get some game time to be ready physically as well as emotionally. Hitting opposing players is way different than banging on your own teammates. We end up starting the season with teams that aren't in sync which results in some shoddy play. Players will still get injured because they aren't really ready and once the season has started there isn't much you can do to replace guys that go down. At least you have a chance to pick up a guy that gets released in pre season but the good ones get snapped up quickly. I understand why they are doing this but I really question if it is actually doing any good. Players still get season ending injuries and I fail to see the difference if he gets lost in a regular game or pre season game. I hear people say that if he gets injured I would rather see it happen in a regular game. My question is why? He's still hurt. Players can get hurt at any time on any play. It happens in practice( often), pre season and regular season. It seems like a lot of players go down early in the season so I have to wonder if the guys were in better playing shape maybe they wouldn't get hurt as often when the real games start. I could be wrong and I'm sure many fans would disagree with me but I don't see where not playing guys is helping. It reminds me of baseball where starting pitchers used to go 9 innings. Then it was 8 and then 7. Now it's 5. The arms are weaker now since they aren't trained for 9 innings anymore. They say it's to prolong their careers but I still see a ton of pitchers getting arm surgeries. Are we being too cautious with the athletes these days? Is it because of the money? Food for thought.
Great topic. If we can't tackle for 5 weeks again and have 20 penalties a game again, this will be answered.
Originally posted by GEEK:
Anyone have a link to the game to rewatch? Was out of town and couldn't catch it
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm not sure when this started but the NFL is in full paranoia mode when it comes to protecting players. I can remember when the first team played at least the first half of every game but the 3rd or 4th. They actually used to play 6 games. Now you barely see a starter on the field for many of the games. The Niners tool it to the extreme this week when the only possible starter that saw the field other than the kicker and punter was Pettis and maybe a DB since that's still unsettled. I know they're trying to protect these guys but you have to get some game time to be ready physically as well as emotionally. Hitting opposing players is way different than banging on your own teammates. We end up starting the season with teams that aren't in sync which results in some shoddy play. Players will still get injured because they aren't really ready and once the season has started there isn't much you can do to replace guys that go down. At least you have a chance to pick up a guy that gets released in pre season but the good ones get snapped up quickly. I understand why they are doing this but I really question if it is actually doing any good. Players still get season ending injuries and I fail to see the difference if he gets lost in a regular game or pre season game. I hear people say that if he gets injured I would rather see it happen in a regular game. My question is why? He's still hurt. Players can get hurt at any time on any play. It happens in practice( often), pre season and regular season. It seems like a lot of players go down early in the season so I have to wonder if the guys were in better playing shape maybe they wouldn't get hurt as often when the real games start. I could be wrong and I'm sure many fans would disagree with me but I don't see where not playing guys is helping. It reminds me of baseball where starting pitchers used to go 9 innings. Then it was 8 and then 7. Now it's 5. The arms are weaker now since they aren't trained for 9 innings anymore. They say it's to prolong their careers but I still see a ton of pitchers getting arm surgeries. Are we being too cautious with the athletes these days? Is it because of the money? Food for thought.
Great topic. If we can't tackle for 5 weeks again and have 20 penalties a game again, this will be answered.
I usually have KNBR on my computer all day so I can keep up with what's going on in the Bay Area. I swear, as soon as I finished posting this comment Papa and Lund began saying the exact same thing, almost word for word. They even brought up the comparison to baseball pitchers. It was kind of spooky.
For all of us that played full contact football, whether in high school or college, we know the difference between working out to get in shape, football drills, scrimmages and actual game contact. The intensity goes up with each of these activities and I'm sure it's the same only more at the pro level. The human body has to be conditioned to absorb the shock that is inflicted by 200-300 lb guys smashing into each other at high speed. It's about as normal as driving a car at 200 mph with other cars just inches away. You have to adjust to it to the point where you no longer think about the consequences. If you go out on the track thinking about crashing or on the field thinking about getting hurt there's a pretty good chance you will.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:I usually have KNBR on my computer all day so I can keep up with what's going on in the Bay Area. I swear, as soon as I finished posting this comment Papa and Lund began saying the exact same thing, almost word for word. They even brought up the comparison to baseball pitchers. It was kind of spooky.
For all of us that played full contact football, whether in high school or college, we know the difference between working out to get in shape, football drills, scrimmages and actual game contact. The intensity goes up with each of these activities and I'm sure it's the same only more at the pro level. The human body has to be conditioned to absorb the shock that is inflicted by 200-300 lb guys smashing into each other at high speed. It's about as normal as driving a car at 200 mph with other cars just inches away. You have to adjust to it to the point where you no longer think about the consequences. If you go out on the track thinking about crashing or on the field thinking about getting hurt there's a pretty good chance you will.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:Originally posted by GEEK:Anyone have a link to the game to rewatch? Was out of town and couldn't catch it
Check NFL network. They showed it last night but they may be running it again sometime this week
Originally posted by Waterbear:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by Waterbear:Originally posted by genus49:Can someone explain to me why Colbert was ejected from the game? I mean it's preseason but are we seriously going to be ejecting players for hits like that once the real games start?
Is that the rule change? 1 hit and you're out? Talk about handing more control of the game to the refs.
Idk but I just rewatched the play and when Colbert hits him the ball is 5 yards behind them. It's a bang bang play but Colbert needs to be smarter.
This. The ball landed like 20 yards behind Colbert who was CLEARLY not playing the ball but the receiver. It also hit his chin and gave the WR a concussion. Defenseless was correct. Ejection was the right call IMHO.
Meh. The ball actually landed within 10 yards of the hit but that's irrelevant. It matters where the ball is to the hit, not where it lands. He also didn't lead with his helmet, he lead with his shoulder and as any former player knows, it's almost impossible to hit with only your shoulder running at full speed like that.
I see it kinda both ways. I don't think they should have ejected him for that hit, but I also see it as a penalty. If they are going to eject Colbert they should have ejected Exum for his hit in the endzone. The only reason Exum wasn't ejected was that the hit didn't look as bad. Now it seems like anytime there is a big hit the refs assume it was helmet to helmet. See Brooks hit on Brees for example.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I usually have KNBR on my computer all day so I can keep up with what's going on in the Bay Area. I swear, as soon as I finished posting this comment Papa and Lund began saying the exact same thing, almost word for word. They even brought up the comparison to baseball pitchers. It was kind of spooky.
For all of us that played full contact football, whether in high school or college, we know the difference between working out to get in shape, football drills, scrimmages and actual game contact. The intensity goes up with each of these activities and I'm sure it's the same only more at the pro level. The human body has to be conditioned to absorb the shock that is inflicted by 200-300 lb guys smashing into each other at high speed. It's about as normal as driving a car at 200 mph with other cars just inches away. You have to adjust to it to the point where you no longer think about the consequences. If you go out on the track thinking about crashing or on the field thinking about getting hurt there's a pretty good chance you will.
100% agreed. When I heard we weren't tackling again and Kyle talking about how most teams don't anymore, I instantly cringed and thought of Todd Gurley having an entire highlight video made against just us in one game.
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by genus49:
Can someone explain to me why Colbert was ejected from the game? I mean it's preseason but are we seriously going to be ejecting players for hits like that once the real games start?
Is that the rule change? 1 hit and you're out? Talk about handing more control of the game to the refs.
The NFL is emphasizing the "use of helmet" rule this season after adopting it in 2018, and owners voted in March to expand the authority of game officials to disqualify players for acts committed during a game.
Starting this season, the Art McNally Game Day Central — the replay hub — will weigh in and interject in all potential cases where there could be an ejection. As Football Zebras writer Mark Schultz explains, "Officiating vice president Al Riveron and his staff in New York would look at the footage and could instruct the crew to eject a player they missed, confirm an ejection, or correct the crew if they misidentified a player and wrongly sent him to the showers."
Originally posted by NCommand:
Right. I think if the ball was actually in play there, it still might be called a penalty but no ejection. But this is the pre season and this is where they send messages.