DE Nick Bosa "Smaller Bear" NO POLITICS

Originally posted by okdkid:
Yeah, I found his year 1 injuries. Put it in the edit.

right he had a foot injury ( I believe broken foot) but played every game in college.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Ok, I'll make succinct

Bosa is labeled injury prone. While Ward IS injury prone.

Did Ward miss this much time before his first game? Asking honestly...I don't remember.

If I remembered right, he had one decent year during his time with the team that he played most of the games during the year. Other than that, as a fan, I honestly don't remember anything memorable about him on the field that would confirmed what the coaches have been talking about even before Shanny and Lynch got here. He played some slot and at safety is all I remembered.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Ok, I'll make succinct

Bosa is labeled injury prone. While Ward IS injury prone.

Did Ward miss this much time before his first game? Asking honestly...I don't remember.

If I remembered right, he had one decent year during his time with the team that he played most of the games during the year. Other than that, as a fan, I honestly don't remember anything memorable about him on the field that would confirmed what the coaches have been talking about even before Shanny and Lynch got here. He played some slot and at safety is all I remembered.

Not to derail the Bosa thread...but part of the issue is they tried making him a CB for quite awhile. So he has a handful of lost years due to injury and playing out of position.

Originally posted by random49er:

It's OKAY to talk in subjective terms about injuries....just like we do with everything else in football.
"He has great hands",....."He's fast",...."His footwork is superb"....."Kid's got great technique!"

We're all fine with all of these designations.

Then we get to injuries about our 2nd overall pick and suddenly we cant -- I guess -- because people feel the need to protect the names of players??

Lol,..doesn't make much sense. We aren't going force players to submit to DNA tests or otherwise force ourselves to not talk about things we clearly see. That's exactly the opposite purpose of a message board or online forum.

Admitting the truth doesn't mean we're risking his total tackle numbers this year or anything.

I mean,....just keep the faith and I'm sure Bosa will prove to shed the injury prone label (it's a REAL thing, as confirmed by science) by the end of the year that he clearly has for now.

If I make a sweeping generalisation about a player, you are likely to disagree and ask for some evidence. You make a sweeping generalisation about Bosa because a 300lb lineman fell on him. And oddly, that doesnt seem to me to be evidence that he is injury prone.

Once again, no one is disputing the existence of injury prone players. But having 300 pounds dropped on you simply is not in that category. Anyone would have had problems with that.

I heard former wide receiver, Greg Jennings, talking about injuries this morning. He said some players just seem to get hurt more than others and get labeled injury prone. He said he had to learn how to play so he wouldn't get injured a lot. As a receiver he had to learn that you don't fight for that extra yard in the 1st quarter of game 3. You need to realize that it's a long season and you can only absorb so much punishment if you want to be there in game 16 or the playoffs. You need to pick your spots so you don't get hit 2 or 3 extra times on a play. You can't control what's going on around you so sooner or later you're probably going to get hurt. Avoiding serious injury and then repeat injuries is the real challenge.
I know it's hard for some players to come back from that first major injury. Not only physically but mentally as well. I would guess that if they start getting too many injuries it starts weighing on their mind since I'm sure the hear the injury prone label. But those repeated injuries take a physical toll from which the body may never really recover. Then the player tries to push his body to do the things he used to do and injures something else. It becomes a viscous circle and now you really are injury prone.

Originally posted by English:
If I make a sweeping generalisation about a player, you are likely to disagree and ask for some evidence. You make a sweeping generalisation about Bosa because a 300lb lineman fell on him. And oddly, that doesnt seem to me to be evidence that he is injury prone.

Once again, no one is disputing the existence of injury prone players. But having 300 pounds dropped on you simply is not in that category. Anyone would have had problems with that.

Yes, any one injury can be bad luck if we zoom in on one incident and don't look at the whole picture. The only thing that matters is if a dude misses practices and/or games due to injury (...however acquired). So far, it's not a good look and doesn't exactly inspire confidence. Maybe he's prone, maybe he isn't. Time will tell...

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

I heard former wide receiver, Greg Jennings, talking about injuries this morning. He said some players just seem to get hurt more than others and get labeled injury prone. He said he had to learn how to play so he wouldn't get injured a lot. As a receiver he had to learn that you don't fight for that extra yard in the 1st quarter of game 3. You need to realize that it's a long season and you can only absorb so much punishment if you want to be there in game 16 or the playoffs. You need to pick your spots so you don't get hit 2 or 3 extra times on a play. You can't control what's going on around you so sooner or later you're probably going to get hurt. Avoiding serious injury and then repeat injuries is the real challenge.

A reminder to Jimmy G

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

I heard former wide receiver, Greg Jennings, talking about injuries this morning. He said some players just seem to get hurt more than others and get labeled injury prone. He said he had to learn how to play so he wouldn't get injured a lot. As a receiver he had to learn that you don't fight for that extra yard in the 1st quarter of game 3. You need to realize that it's a long season and you can only absorb so much punishment if you want to be there in game 16 or the playoffs. You need to pick your spots so you don't get hit 2 or 3 extra times on a play. You can't control what's going on around you so sooner or later you're probably going to get hurt. Avoiding serious injury and then repeat injuries is the real challenge.

A reminder to Jimmy G

Yea, hopefully Jimmy has learned to not try to juke the defender and instead just go out of bounds. Hopefully Bosa has learned to be a little more aware about protecting himself.

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I heard former wide receiver, Greg Jennings, talking about injuries this morning. He said some players just seem to get hurt more than others and get labeled injury prone. He said he had to learn how to play so he wouldn't get injured a lot. As a receiver he had to learn that you don't fight for that extra yard in the 1st quarter of game 3. You need to realize that it's a long season and you can only absorb so much punishment if you want to be there in game 16 or the playoffs. You need to pick your spots so you don't get hit 2 or 3 extra times on a play. You can't control what's going on around you so sooner or later you're probably going to get hurt. Avoiding serious injury and then repeat injuries is the real challenge.

A reminder to Jimmy G

Yea, hopefully Jimmy has learned to not try to juke the defender and instead just go out of bounds. Hopefully Bosa has learned to be a little more aware about protecting himself.

Great insight and post!

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Imo I would say Garnett and Ward are injury prone. I cannot label Bosa that at this time. It's not like he was walking and just fell because the wind blew. A very large man rolled up his leg. He's lucky imo.

Not arguing one way or another. But the injuries to Ward (all of them) and Garnett (also, all of them) were caused by other acts of physics. Why are they "prone" and not just victims of "bad luck"?

Again, I'm not arguing one way or the other. It's just that it seems pretty clear that bad players = prone, good players = bad luck.

Well history is a big deal imo. Bosa is unknown, but the details we have are he was rolled on. That's bad luck.

Ward takes a s**t and sprains his ass. Garnett waves hello to someone and his hand falls off. That's prone. These guys always get hurt.

I agree let Bosa sit a few weeks if necessary as you elude to. I want to see him at 100%.

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I heard former wide receiver, Greg Jennings, talking about injuries this morning. He said some players just seem to get hurt more than others and get labeled injury prone. He said he had to learn how to play so he wouldn't get injured a lot. As a receiver he had to learn that you don't fight for that extra yard in the 1st quarter of game 3. You need to realize that it's a long season and you can only absorb so much punishment if you want to be there in game 16 or the playoffs. You need to pick your spots so you don't get hit 2 or 3 extra times on a play. You can't control what's going on around you so sooner or later you're probably going to get hurt. Avoiding serious injury and then repeat injuries is the real challenge.

A reminder to Jimmy G

Yea, hopefully Jimmy has learned to not try to juke the defender and instead just go out of bounds. Hopefully Bosa has learned to be a little more aware about protecting himself.

what can you do about a guy falling on your leg when youre engaged with a blocker?

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
what can you do about a guy falling on your leg when youre engaged with a blocker?

get better teammates

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by random49er:

It's OKAY to talk in subjective terms about injuries....just like we do with everything else in football.
"He has great hands",....."He's fast",...."His footwork is superb"....."Kid's got great technique!"

Injury prone can be a subjective term just as much as anything else you stated. If Buckner was standing in the same spot where Bosa was, he'd more than likely be the one with the ankle injury, regardless if Buckner had been hurt previously. That's my point. Not every injury is equal.

NOW if Bosa hurt his core muscle again that's different imo. Devante Parker has dealt with foot/ankle injuries since coming into the league, I think at this point it's safe to say his got foot and ankle issues.

If Bosa goes on and has continuous ankle issues then there's a debate to be had imo.

As far as your science theory why was Archie Manning a injury prone hot mess most of his NFL career BUT his sons were some of the healthiest players in football history?

I agree with this distinction towards recurring injuries. I already said that I don't like the term "injury prone" and wouldn't classify Bosa as injury prone because of it's vagueness and it's claims about the future. If you're saying someone is prone to injury versus someone is not, that means you think he has a higher chance of being injured. Only players with the same recurring injuries like Foster or Parker would fall into that category and while I still hate the term, I wouldn't argue against it.

And I see randoms point but I would like to add this...

Those terms you posted do fall into the category of subjective terms, but that doesn't mean they are equal. I believe being "injury prone" has way more variables than every single one of those terms you mentioned. Those terms communicate the idea far better than injury prone imo because you come up with a simple standard and they don't have too many outside factors contributing to them.

For example, we can come up with a simple standard for "good hands" and "fast" pretty easily.

GOOD HANDS: catches 85% of his passes

FAST: < 4.5 (as a skill position) and set slower times for other position groups.

The other terms are more subjective but again, what other factors are there? Bosa was landed on by another player which contributed to you believing he is injury prone? Do the rest of your terms you mentioned have outside factors like that? Or do you think it's always the players fault if he gets injured?

What if Patrick Willis ran full speed, hitting Beathard 100 times in a row and he came up with a a sore shoulder while Mullens runs in the open field and tears something? They both injury prone?

Just because these terms are similar doesn't mean they are the same. NY and both gave you when we WOULD be okay with the term, yet you continue to disregard that reasoning.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

I heard former wide receiver, Greg Jennings, talking about injuries this morning. He said some players just seem to get hurt more than others and get labeled injury prone. He said he had to learn how to play so he wouldn't get injured a lot. As a receiver he had to learn that you don't fight for that extra yard in the 1st quarter of game 3. You need to realize that it's a long season and you can only absorb so much punishment if you want to be there in game 16 or the playoffs. You need to pick your spots so you don't get hit 2 or 3 extra times on a play. You can't control what's going on around you so sooner or later you're probably going to get hurt. Avoiding serious injury and then repeat injuries is the real challenge.

A reminder to Jimmy G

Yea, hopefully Jimmy has learned to not try to juke the defender and instead just go out of bounds. Hopefully Bosa has learned to be a little more aware about protecting himself.

what can you do about a guy falling on your leg when youre engaged with a blocker?

I don't know, but many defensive linemen manage to go a whole season or even a whole career without that happening to them, so maybe he should learn how from those guys? Playing smart is key to avoiding injuries.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I agree with this distinction towards recurring injuries. I already said that I don't like the term "injury prone" and wouldn't classify Bosa as injury prone because of it's vagueness and it's claims about the future. If you're saying someone is prone to injury versus someone is not, that means you think he has a higher chance of being injured. Only players with the same recurring injuries like Foster or Parker would fall into that category and while I still hate the term, I wouldn't argue against it.

And I see randoms point but I would like to add this...

Those terms you posted do fall into the category of subjective terms, but that doesn't mean they are equal. I believe being "injury prone" has way more variables than every single one of those terms you mentioned. Those terms communicate the idea far better than injury prone imo because you come up with a simple standard and they don't have too many outside factors contributing to them.

For example, we can come up with a simple standard for "good hands" and "fast" pretty easily.

GOOD HANDS: catches 85% of his passes

FAST: < 4.5 (as a skill position) and set slower times for other position groups.

The other terms are more subjective but again, what other factors are there? Bosa was landed on by another player which contributed to you believing he is injury prone? Do the rest of your terms you mentioned have outside factors like that? Or do you think it's always the players fault if he gets injured?

What if Patrick Willis ran full speed, hitting Beathard 100 times in a row and he came up with a a sore shoulder while Mullens runs in the open field and tears something? They both injury prone?

Just because these terms are similar doesn't mean they are the same. NY and both gave you when we WOULD be okay with the term, yet you continue to disregard that reasoning.