DE Nick Bosa "Smaller Bear" NO POLITICS

Originally posted by okdkid:
He won't be 100%. He may play. He may even play well. But a high ankle won't be 100% healed in that timeframe. I said "quantifiable" in regard to designating him "injury prone" or not.

No one has straight up called it a high ankle sprain...there's been reports of "high sprain components" but it hasn't been diagnosed as such.

You seem to be a fact driven guy in here...you talk about quantifiable, yet you're putting a stamp of 0% chance on something that is very fluid, which injuries are. Even when doctors talk about sports injuries they start off by saying I haven't seen his MRI/file and make an educated guesses.

As far as designating "injury prone" or not, there's so many variables and tons of context regarding a broad term like that. If you choose not to acknowledge them, then so be it...we will disagree then.

It's OKAY to talk in subjective terms about injuries....just like we do with everything else in football.
"He has great hands",....."He's fast",...."His footwork is superb"....."Kid's got great technique!"

We're all fine with all of these designations.

Then we get to injuries about our 2nd overall pick and suddenly we cant -- I guess -- because people feel the need to protect the names of players??

Lol,..doesn't make much sense. We aren't going force players to submit to DNA tests or otherwise force ourselves to not talk about things we clearly see. That's exactly the opposite purpose of a message board or online forum.

Admitting the truth doesn't mean we're risking his total tackle numbers this year or anything.

I mean,....just keep the faith and I'm sure Bosa will prove to shed the injury prone label (it's a REAL thing, as confirmed by science) by the end of the year that he clearly has for now.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by okdkid:

He won't be 100%. He may play. He may even play well. But a high ankle won't be 100% healed in that timeframe. I said "quantifiable" in regard to designating him "injury prone" or not.

No one has straight up called it a high ankle sprain...there's been reports of "high sprain components" but it hasn't been diagnosed as such.

You seem to be a fact driven guy in here...you talk about quantifiable, yet you're putting a stamp of 0% chance on something that is very fluid, which injuries are. Even when doctors talk about sports injuries they start off by saying I haven't seen his MRI/file and make an educated guesses.

As far as designating "injury prone" or not, there's so many variables and tons of context regarding a broad term like that. If you choose not to acknowledge them, then so be it...we will disagree then.

Imo I would say Garnett and Ward are injury prone. I cannot label Bosa that at this time. It's not like he was walking and just fell because the wind blew. A very large man rolled up his leg. He's lucky imo.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
There's injury prone, and then there's Jimmie Ward.

Bosa is the #2 talent of the draft. People have seen what that talent is worth, so some are frustrated that his talent isn't on display due to minor injuries currently. Thus labeling him injury prone more in frustration than anything else.

Do I even need to go there with Ward at this point in the Zone... Dude has hollow bones like a bird. His talent is as elusive as his presence on the field. Is there even a single, somewhat decent memorable highlight of Ward making a play the last 3 years...?

What are you arguing here? I'm trying to follow. That Ward is "injury prone" while Bosa is not? Or just that Ward isn't good?

This prior point was that if a person views Ward to be a bad football player...they are more likely to call him "injury prone". Whereas, comparatively, fewer people are willing to say Bosa is bad at this point... so, it's an inherent confirmation and recency bias.

Medically speaking -- if there isn't some deformity or degenerative issue with Ward's bone structure there is nothing that would make his bones any easier to break than anybody else's. Same goes for Bosa. (or anybody for that matter)

Originally posted by Heroism:

#49ers starting last home practice of training camp, flying to Denver later today.

Encouraging sight: Nick Bosa did light conditioning with trainers. Not wearing boot. Walking slowly on ankle he sprained 8 days ago. Week 1 doesn't seem out of question.

Beathard, Ward practicing

— Cam Inman (@CamInman) August 14, 2019

Good to see he's off crutches and doing light walking. I'm not sure if this means he's likely to play in week one or not, but at least there is still a chance.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Imo I would say Garnett and Ward are injury prone. I cannot label Bosa that at this time. It's not like he was walking and just fell because the wind blew. A very large man rolled up his leg. He's lucky imo.

Not arguing one way or another. But the injuries to Ward (all of them) and Garnett (also, all of them) were caused by other acts of physics. Why are they "prone" and not just victims of "bad luck"?

Again, I'm not arguing one way or the other. It's just that it seems pretty clear that bad players = prone, good players = bad luck.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

There's injury prone, and then there's Jimmie Ward.

Bosa is the #2 talent of the draft. People have seen what that talent is worth, so some are frustrated that his talent isn't on display due to minor injuries currently. Thus labeling him injury prone more in frustration than anything else.

Do I even need to go there with Ward at this point in the Zone... Dude has hollow bones like a bird. His talent is as elusive as his presence on the field. Is there even a single, somewhat decent memorable highlight of Ward making a play the last 3 years...?

What are you arguing here? I'm trying to follow. That Ward is "injury prone" while Bosa is not? Or just that Ward isn't good?

This prior point was that if a person views Ward to be a bad football player...they are more likely to call him "injury prone". Whereas, comparatively, fewer people are willing to say Bosa is bad at this point... so, it's an inherent confirmation and recency bias.

Medically speaking -- if there isn't some deformity or degenerative issue with Ward's bone structure there is nothing that would make his bones any easier to break than anybody else's. Same goes for Bosa. (or anybody for that matter)

Ok, I'll make succinct

Bosa is labeled injury prone. While Ward IS injury prone.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

I would sit him until week 3 tbh

Assuming he's missing any time at all then there's no reason to play him the first 3 weeks if there are any concerns. May as well wait til week 5 since we have the early bye week.

Right. Also, week 1 & 2 are winnable with or without him...and we have a week 4 bye. Bosa not playing week 1 is a bad PR look, but probably best for his ability to get back to 100%.

I think it depends on how those games go. If we are 1-1 going into the Steelers game, id say he should suit up.

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by Heroism:

#49ers starting last home practice of training camp, flying to Denver later today.

Encouraging sight: Nick Bosa did light conditioning with trainers. Not wearing boot. Walking slowly on ankle he sprained 8 days ago. Week 1 doesn't seem out of question.

Beathard, Ward practicing

— Cam Inman (@CamInman) August 14, 2019

Good to see he's off crutches and doing light walking. I'm not sure if this means he's likely to play in week one or not, but at least there is still a chance.

I would say it is a REALLY strong sign he will. If there were concerns about the tendon that foot would be immobilized for another two weeks at a min.

Originally posted by random49er:
It's OKAY to talk in subjective terms about injuries....just like we do with everything else in football.
"He has great hands",....."He's fast",...."His footwork is superb"....."Kid's got great technique!"

Injury prone can be a subjective term just as much as anything else you stated. If Buckner was standing in the same spot where Bosa was, he'd more than likely be the one with the ankle injury, regardless if Buckner had been hurt previously. That's my point. Not every injury is equal.

NOW if Bosa hurt his core muscle again that's different imo. Devante Parker has dealt with foot/ankle injuries since coming into the league, I think at this point it's safe to say his got foot and ankle issues.

If Bosa goes on and has continuous ankle issues then there's a debate to be had imo.

As far as your science theory why was Archie Manning a injury prone hot mess most of his NFL career BUT his sons were some of the healthiest players in football history?

Originally posted by thl408:
ankle news for mayo

GOOD ankle news for mayo

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Ok, I'll make succinct

Bosa is labeled injury prone. While Ward IS injury prone.

Did Ward miss this much time before his first game? Asking honestly...I don't remember.

Edit: He had a pre-draft foot injury that lingered into his first offseason. Subsequently, had a mid season leg injury that put him on IR.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by Heroism:

#49ers starting last home practice of training camp, flying to Denver later today.

Encouraging sight: Nick Bosa did light conditioning with trainers. Not wearing boot. Walking slowly on ankle he sprained 8 days ago. Week 1 doesn't seem out of question.

Beathard, Ward practicing

— Cam Inman (@CamInman) August 14, 2019

Good to see he's off crutches and doing light walking. I'm not sure if this means he's likely to play in week one or not, but at least there is still a chance.

I would say it is a REALLY strong sign he will. If there were concerns about the tendon that foot would be immobilized for another two weeks at a min.

That's what I was gonna say

Originally posted by okdkid:
Did Ward miss this much time before his first game? Asking honestly...I don't remember.

Ward and Garnett didn't miss any games in college (Ward played for 4 yrs) I guess injury prone can pop up whenever lol. I think certain injuries can help lead to other injuries....football in general will lead to injuries, you can say that with 100% certainty.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Did Ward miss this much time before his first game? Asking honestly...I don't remember.

Ward and Garnett didn't miss any games in college (Ward played for 4 yrs) I guess injury prone can pop up whenever lol. I think certain injuries can help lead to other injuries....football in general will lead to injuries, you can say that with 100% certainty.

Yeah, I found his year 1 injuries. Put it in the edit.